Outlaw Password Sharing and Account Sitting

[firsal901]

No, sitting is needed. abuse happens when the sitter is.... well... abusive.
No from me

[Joodoo]

Possibly the least helpful suggestion if it is to be implemented, as the number of players who deadbeat because of legitimate reasons will probably greatly exceed the number of players who become victims of account sitting abuse.

[Sniper08]

this is like the speed debate, a small number of ppl abuse the system so restrictions should be placed on the rest of us? that doesnt sound right to me.

Many ppl have unplanned time away from CC due to RL and why should anyone be punished for having a life outside CC.Lets say someone has a poweroutage something which is beyond their control they need a sitter,there are many other examples of unforseen circumstances where people will need sitters.

The whole plan ahead arguement is completely BS cause stuff happens and not everything can be planned.reducing game count takes a while, last month in preparation for a clan war finals i tried to lower my game count but i only went from 60 active to 30 in a month!

clearly though something needs to be done to regulate acc sitting but banning it entirely isnt a solution

[keiths31]

If sitting is banned there will be many who drop the premium memberships they have. I know I would. I camp every weekend during the summer months which there is no internet. Real life rears it's head every so often as well. Not everyone has 24 a day access to an online computer...and I am thankful for that.

[chapcrap]

This is just a ridiculous thread. Outlaw sitters?

I'm sitting on my little brother's account right now because he's at camp. What would he do if he couldn't have a sitter? He'd miss his turns, lose his games, get kicked out of a tournament all because he is at camp. What kind of way is that to get those players to stick with CC?

I'm also sitting for my best friend's account this week because he's on vacation. Are we expected to not have a life outside of CC? Sure there are a few people who abuse being a sitter, but the benefits of being able to have one are far better.

[jeraado]

That would be rubbish. Using the same rationale as the OP, why not ban clans? After all, the account sitting C&A reports have pretty much come out of clan wars. Why not ban PMing and the Wall, as it can be used for secret diplomacy? Why not ban players from logging in from multiple PCs, since that could be a sign of a multi?

A suggestion has to provide a greater benefit to users than the status quo, and in my opinion forcing players to miss turns when they are away is unnecessarily punitive and will probably discourage ongoing use. If a player has to gradually decrease their number of games before going away on holiday, it will be a heck of a lot easier for them to just not bother coming back. It will also make the playing experience of the non-turn-misser worse as well, since very few people like playing games against deadbeats.

This suggestions seems to be knee-jerk reaction to a few recent high-profile cases. We don't ban cars because some people drink and drive, instead we penalise the people who do are irresponsible. Likewise those who breach the account sitting rules should be penalised, but that is no reason to punish those who do use the ability to have a sitter responsibly.

I look forward to seeing how the new sitting feature works, but it would be ridiculous to prevent account sitting while there isn't such a system in place.

[drunkmonkey]

A friend has just been on 2 weeks holiday and found that there was no internet access, so I played his games. If this had been outlawed he would have lost every tournament he was currently entered in. The effect of not allowing this would be that tournaments lasting longer than a couple of months would only be won by people who had no life outside of CC as many others would just not bother entering.

This argument is not compelling. If he had been planning on a two week vacation, he should have planned ahead and not been playing CC games at that time. Sure, the fact that people can sit gives him a way out of that, but he shouldn't be guaranteed the right to play while he's not even connected to the internet.

This is a joke, right? Have you ever entered a tournament? Hell, I'm running one now that started last October, and it's not in the final round yet. Are you telling me I shouldn't have started it because I might be going on vacation the following July?

Also, everything Incandenza said. This is a ridiculous suggestion, but there's already 3 pages of discussion on it, so it will probably be stickied and/or submitted by the end of the month.

[TheForgivenOne]

A friend has just been on 2 weeks holiday and found that there was no internet access, so I played his games. If this had been outlawed he would have lost every tournament he was currently entered in. The effect of not allowing this would be that tournaments lasting longer than a couple of months would only be won by people who had no life outside of CC as many others would just not bother entering.

This argument is not compelling. If he had been planning on a two week vacation, he should have planned ahead and not been playing CC games at that time. Sure, the fact that people can sit gives him a way out of that, but he shouldn't be guaranteed the right to play while he's not even connected to the internet.

This is a joke, right? Have you ever entered a tournament? Hell, I'm running one now that started last October, and it's not in the final round yet. Are you telling me I shouldn't have started it because I might be going on vacation the following July?

Also, everything Incandenza said. This is a ridiculous suggestion, but there's already 3 pages of discussion on it, so it will probably be stickied and/or submitted by the end of the month.

Depends on the type of Discussion going on. All i see so far is negative feedback. If this keeps up, it'll end up in Rejected

[Commander9]

I am strictly against this - just because there are some people who abuse the system, that doesn't mean that the whole system is rigged and populus have to suffer because of that. The best and most reasonable thing to do would be to punish those who abuse the system and leave as it is until automated account sitting is established.

[mc05025]

This is a perfect idea. It will help the addicted people to quit cc.
Non addicted people will not really care about missing some turns and lose some games.

[SirSebstar]

I am strictly against this - just because there are some people who abuse the system, that doesn't mean that the whole system is rigged and populus have to suffer because of that. The best and most reasonable thing to do would be to punish those who abuse the system and leave as it is until automated account sitting is established.

your statement kinda clashes with your sig.
although i think mc05025 said it best. it will help addicted people to quit cc.
not ideal for me, but i can see the rule as quite easy.. no shaded area's

[Chuuuuck]

I think the next person who uses a professional sport as a comparison for "how things should be on CC" should be punched in the face.

I am 100% for this

[Bones2484]

I am strictly against this - just because there are some people who abuse the system, that doesn't mean that the whole system is rigged and populus have to suffer because of that. The best and most reasonable thing to do would be to punish those who abuse the system and leave as it is until automated account sitting is established.

your statement kinda clashes with your sig.

Really? I think his statement agrees perfectly with his signature. Are you sure you're reading what he said?

Anyways, Inc said it perfectly. No reason to really add anything more.

[tennischamp5]

This is a perfect idea. It will help the addicted people to quit cc.
Non addicted people will not really care about missing some turns and lose some games.

Haha, agreed. Honestly, until a sitter function is introduced, this should be implemented. There's been far too much abuse lately. If you can't take your turns, then yeah, you'll miss a few turns, maybe lose a rank or two, but your turn % and rank will be that much more reflective of you. It gets annoying joining a game and then having 5 of the opponents 6 turns played by other players. If you have to go to camp or an extended vacation, with the exception of tournaments, you should have planned ahead. And worst case scenario, you fail to plan ahead and drop a few ranks, oh well. If you had the skill of a major, you'll be able to reach major again in no time when you're back from camp.

Support.

[Uncle Death]

I understand the objections and the reasons for them. I'm sympathetic. However I don't think we should not hold ourselves to a higher standard because it may be unenforceable. If you wonder what my motivation is, it is simply to express my wish for a simpler and cleaner game. I also wanted to get the idea out there so it could be examined and compared to the account sitting that is being done now. It seems to me that most agree that there is something not quite kosher about it but because it is such a convenience that we are all okay with looking the other way. That may be the consensus but then lets not kid ourselves about it. It's cheating but we all do it, so it's okay. That sounds harsh but it's not meant to be and that's not an indictment of anyone in particular because I include myself.

[drunkmonkey]

I'm also going to comment from the other side: If you're going on vacation for two weeks, please find a sitter. I don't care about your points, but I don't want to wait while you deadbeat in all of our games together. I'd rather play against whoever you can scrounge up. Unlike many players, I'm not going to wet my panties and cry foul because a higher ranked player shows up to sit in one of my games.

I play tournaments almost exclusively. There was a time where my game count got out of hand for me (over 100), so I made a point not to join any new games. It was over 3 months before I began to even notice a drop in my game count. So "planning" for a vacation a few weeks in advance is just a ridiculous notion for many players.

[TheForgivenOne]

There's been far too much abuse lately.

Really? 3 cases is "too much abuse"?

[pascalleke]

mmm 3 cases with 18798 "active "players would make 0,015 % ...not bad i think

[Uncle Death]

I think the next person who uses a professional sport as a comparison for "how things should be on CC" should be punched in the face.

I am 100% for this

I guess we're on then.

[Metsfanmax]

A friend has just been on 2 weeks holiday and found that there was no internet access, so I played his games. If this had been outlawed he would have lost every tournament he was currently entered in. The effect of not allowing this would be that tournaments lasting longer than a couple of months would only be won by people who had no life outside of CC as many others would just not bother entering.

This argument is not compelling. If he had been planning on a two week vacation, he should have planned ahead and not been playing CC games at that time. Sure, the fact that people can sit gives him a way out of that, but he shouldn't be guaranteed the right to play while he's not even connected to the internet.

This is a joke, right? Have you ever entered a tournament? Hell, I'm running one now that started last October, and it's not in the final round yet. Are you telling me I shouldn't have started it because I might be going on vacation the following July?

Also, everything Incandenza said. This is a ridiculous suggestion, but there's already 3 pages of discussion on it, so it will probably be stickied and/or submitted by the end of the month.

I have been in a few tournaments. It is very clear to the perceptive user which ones will last three weeks and which ones will last months. If you sign up for such a long tournament, you're responsible for the length of the tournament. As the OP correctly pointed out, those who sign up for these tournaments that have friends on the site will be probably covered. But there are a lot of people who don't have friends because they aren't in clans or don't use the forums often. Those people do actually live in a reality where signing up for a months-long tournament is a major risk because they won't always have internet access throughout that time. They probably still enjoy CC.

I sympathize with the OP. I'd never let someone else play my turns for me; I'd rather miss a turn on occasion, and if I know I have a long vacation coming up, I'll draw down the number of games I'm playing. Maybe I just don't take CC games as seriously as everyone else. But the OP has a legitimate point. The reason people are so vehemently opposed to this suggestion is that the the forum-goers, for the most part, live in a hugely competitive atmosphere where if you miss a turn and therefore lose a game, it's a serious problem. Most of the CC users take it much more casually than that. If you miss a turn, well, c'est la vie.

[drunkmonkey]

But the OP has a legitimate point. The reason people are so vehemently opposed to this suggestion is that the the forum-goers, for the most part, live in a hugely competitive atmosphere where if you miss a turn and therefore lose a game, it's a serious problem. Most of the CC users take it much more casually than that. If you miss a turn, well, c'est la vie.

So, the objective is to make people stop taking games so seriously? To make CC more casual and less competitive for everyone?

[Metsfanmax]

But the OP has a legitimate point. The reason people are so vehemently opposed to this suggestion is that the the forum-goers, for the most part, live in a hugely competitive atmosphere where if you miss a turn and therefore lose a game, it's a serious problem. Most of the CC users take it much more casually than that. If you miss a turn, well, c'est la vie.

So, the objective is to make people stop taking games so seriously? To make CC more casual and less competitive for everyone?

No, I am simply observing that for most people, games on CC are treated rather casually compared to most of the clan participants and high-ranked players. The account sitting feature favors the minority of players who take it very seriously (seriously enough to give someone else their account password), to the disadvantage of the players who do still play to win but won't take such strides to prevent losing because of external factors.

[pascalleke]

Most of the CC users take it much more casually than that. If you miss a turn, well, c'est la vie.

Think u would be surprised on how many players take playing here and missing turns more serious then just a casual way of a joie de vivre u state here. Ok i can accept and understand ur way of thinking here but u must realize we are here with over 18000 active players so u cant ignore that we all are different in the way we look and think on the mathers wich we come to stumble upon here.
For me i dislike turns missed and people who miss turns with no good reason , especially because they ruin most times good games , is this not what we all look here for ; good games ? A fine example is this deferred troops "crap ". And i know for sure the most friends i have met here on CC for the last 4 years also dont like turns missed....so yeah thats life , but thats my way to look at this life.

[Metsfanmax]

Most of the CC users take it much more casually than that. If you miss a turn, well, c'est la vie.

Think u would be surprised on how many players take playing here and missing turns more serious then just a casual way of a joie de vivre u state here. Ok i can accept and understand ur way of thinking here but u must realize we are here with over 18000 active players so u cant ignore that we all are different in the way we look and think on the mathers wich we come to stumble upon here.
For me i dislike turns missed and people who miss turns with no good reason , especially because they ruin most times good games , is this not what we all look here for ; good games ? A fine example is this deferred troops "crap ". And i know for sure the most friends i have met here on CC for the last 4 years also dont like turns missed....so yeah thats life , but thats my way to look at this life.

I do respect that point of view. Ultimately this decision will not come down to me or Uncle Death or any one person, but simply the voice of the CC majority. I do worry though, that the people this suggestion attempts to protect are rather underrepresented in the forum user base.

[drunkmonkey]

But the OP has a legitimate point. The reason people are so vehemently opposed to this suggestion is that the the forum-goers, for the most part, live in a hugely competitive atmosphere where if you miss a turn and therefore lose a game, it's a serious problem. Most of the CC users take it much more casually than that. If you miss a turn, well, c'est la vie.

So, the objective is to make people stop taking games so seriously? To make CC more casual and less competitive for everyone?

No, I am simply observing that for most people, games on CC are treated rather casually compared to most of the clan participants and high-ranked players. The account sitting feature favors the minority of players who take it very seriously (seriously enough to give someone else their account password), to the disadvantage of the players who do still play to win but won't take such strides to prevent losing because of external factors.

It's not a disadvantage to anyone. If you don't take the game seriously enough to find a sitter, that's your choice. But the option is available to you if you want it. What you're arguing is to handcuff the serious players, and force them to take games with a "c'est la vie" attitude, because that's how you (and "most people") like to play them.