Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[Rodion]

Not sure about your spec, Shaggy. Right now I'm more worried about the fact that the bus driver is probably anti-town since he hasn't claimed yet, so taking down mafia will get even harder with the possible redirections (I'd have to suggest our vigs not to attempt any NKs). I think we could find the busdriver with a tracker: if a tracker sees someone visited two people, we have the busdriver involved. But odds are not good.

I'll keep thinking. And if we do have a town busdriver that didn't yet read the thread due to inactivity, please claim, as we'd be sure to catch the Water Gun pokémon.

It's not a bus driver that we have to be worried about it's a thief. I didn't claim because I was hoping the thief would out themself but it appears that they are not of a town faction.

I am the town busdriver. On Night 1 I drove Naggy and Jonty, basically giving me good reason to believe Naggy was town after learning that HE was supposed to be poisoned. But seeing how it could have been a recruit that seems moot. The problem is I got my bike (the tool to bus drive) stolen on Day 2. I have since got it back but I have not done ANY ACTIONS since Night 1. Which means the switch was not my doing...

If Rattata was a SK, then his targeting of Nag doesn't really clear Nag as pro-town.

[shieldgenerator7]

Yeah, Shaggy, my vote on you was completely random. unvote
Just a way to get discussion going, I guess.

[Fircoal]

Not sure about your spec, Shaggy. Right now I'm more worried about the fact that the bus driver is probably anti-town since he hasn't claimed yet, so taking down mafia will get even harder with the possible redirections (I'd have to suggest our vigs not to attempt any NKs). I think we could find the busdriver with a tracker: if a tracker sees someone visited two people, we have the busdriver involved. But odds are not good.

I'll keep thinking. And if we do have a town busdriver that didn't yet read the thread due to inactivity, please claim, as we'd be sure to catch the Water Gun pokémon.

It's not a bus driver that we have to be worried about it's a thief. I didn't claim because I was hoping the thief would out themself but it appears that they are not of a town faction.

I am the town busdriver. On Night 1 I drove Naggy and Jonty, basically giving me good reason to believe Naggy was town after learning that HE was supposed to be poisoned. But seeing how it could have been a recruit that seems moot. The problem is I got my bike (the tool to bus drive) stolen on Day 2. I have since got it back but I have not done ANY ACTIONS since Night 1. Which means the switch was not my doing...

If Rattata was a SK, then his targeting of Nag doesn't really clear Nag as pro-town.

I'm aware. However at the time I found out Jonty was to be poisoned I believed the role started out as a mafia poisoner. Now however we know better and have no reason to clear him.

[Fircoal]

Interesting.
When did you get the bike back?

Night 3, however I did not send an action that Night.

[Victor Sullivan]

Misty?

-Sully

[Fircoal]

Misty?

-Sully

I know, I wanted to be a sexy Pokemon :<

[Victor Sullivan]

I mean, with Misty's relentlessness about her bike the whole first season, I thought it was a pretty good guess

-Sully

[naxus]

Rereading back through, This thread has been a nightmare for actually finding scum. Both from the game setup and various antics and player disappearances.

Looking back though, I would like to cast suspicion on both Lalaland and Freezie.

Thinking that this is a huge cult game I have a theory. Mafia can either get a kill or a recruit a night(GF Kill). This is based purely on flavor text from the night scenes. Assuming that they started out with with 2 possibly 3 members at the beginning they Must've started recruiting N1. Now Shaggy brought up that it's unlikely that someone could be recruited, gain powers, and then use said powers. But if thats the mechanic the mod chose universally then its a possibility. With Hanks earlier question of Mafia alliance they sticks out pretty hard but Lala did a good job of making up for Hanks mistakes. But Combined with the fact of Freezies claim of Miller(Which from a mod standpoint I would never tell the person they were) Seems like they could have been the starting mafia. Lala being the GF with freezie being a goon/some sort(Thinking that mafia would start with 2+ members just incase the SK got incredibly lucky.) If they recruited Evil Chaos N1 then he poisoned Oak N1 Makikarp N2 and someone N3.

Although There is probably many flaws in this, made the most sense reading back through.

I'm pretty sure that squirtle is the SK as 1. He was never really assoicated as Evil and 2.seems to be killing at random.

[jonty125]

Rereading back through, This thread has been a nightmare for actually finding scum. Both from the game setup and various antics and player disappearances.

Looking back though, I would like to cast suspicion on both Lalaland and Freezie.

Thinking that this is a huge cult game I have a theory. Mafia can either get a kill or a recruit a night(GF Kill). This is based purely on flavor text from the night scenes. Assuming that they started out with with 2 possibly 3 members at the beginning they Must've started recruiting N1. Now Shaggy brought up that it's unlikely that someone could be recruited, gain powers, and then use said powers. But if thats the mechanic the mod chose universally then its a possibility. With Hanks earlier question of Mafia alliance they sticks out pretty hard but Lala did a good job of making up for Hanks mistakes. But Combined with the fact of Freezies claim of Miller(Which from a mod standpoint I would never tell the person they were) Seems like they could have been the starting mafia. Lala being the GF with freezie being a goon/some sort(Thinking that mafia would start with 2+ members just incase the SK got incredibly lucky.) If they recruited Evil Chaos N1 then he poisoned Oak N1 Makikarp N2 and someone N3.

Although There is probably many flaws in this, made the most sense reading back through.

I'm pretty sure that squirtle is the SK as 1. He was never really assoicated as Evil and 2.seems to be killing at random.

I thnik Freezie is a better candiate than lala as I seee it as awfully conveinent vote Freezie

[nagerous]

Lalaland can't be a godfather as she/he proved themselves as a double voter doduo by illustrating their 2nd vote no?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - lalaland
freezie (1) - jonty125

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Lalaland is femae, as reported in Clue Mafia.

[naxus]

Lalaland can't be a godfather as she/he proved themselves as a double voter doduo by illustrating their 2nd vote no?

Could have been recruited N3. Lala was pretty vocal about who she would use the vote on.

[nagerous]

The double vote was used on day 1 originally hence hank's scummy comment about us having to find the double voter.

An idea I would like to float however is that maybe he said we should try and find the double voter because he thought it was a mafia role as he was the mafia double voter. Just an idea.

[Rodion]

The double vote was used on day 1 originally hence hank's scummy comment about us having to find the double voter.

An idea I would like to float however is that maybe he said we should try and find the double voter because he thought it was a mafia role as he was the mafia double voter. Just an idea.

Or he did what town power roles are supposed to do: pretend they are not town power roles. By asking who's the doublevoter, he makes us believe he is NOT, then he avoids being NKed. Both Nag's comment and my comment are WIFOM and I'm not defending Hank/Lala.

Is it possible that our "bike thief" is pro-town? If so, shouldn't he come forward and explain his Kratos N2 swap?

[Rodion]

By the way, I've learned that the thief was a "flavour cop". He got an object that would help understand the role of his target, but he wouldn't really "steal" the target's ability. Can anyone shed some light on that, please? What can we possibly be dealing with?

[ShaggyDan]

By the way, I've learned that the thief was a "flavour cop". He got an object that would help understand the role of his target, but he wouldn't really "steal" the target's ability. Can anyone shed some light on that, please? What can we possibly be dealing with?

The bike being stolen could be flavour for a roleblocker? But that still wouldn't explain the deaths.

Could possibly be Ditto? Someone who mimics other people's powers? Fircoal got roleblocked and Ditto used Fircoal's powers? *Shrugs*

In any case, because no-one has come forward readily with information about it I'm guessing the person who did it isn't town.

[Fircoal]

The double vote was used on day 1 originally hence hank's scummy comment about us having to find the double voter.

An idea I would like to float however is that maybe he said we should try and find the double voter because he thought it was a mafia role as he was the mafia double voter. Just an idea.

Or he did what town power roles are supposed to do: pretend they are not town power roles. By asking who's the doublevoter, he makes us believe he is NOT, then he avoids being NKed. Both Nag's comment and my comment are WIFOM and I'm not defending Hank/Lala.

Is it possible that our "bike thief" is pro-town? If so, shouldn't he come forward and explain his Kratos N2 swap?

The thing is it's not very likely that the bike thief is pro-town. If they were they would have just claimed thief who used the item.

[freezie]

I've seen both the role of ''thief'' that is a flavour cop and the ''thief'' that steals a player's power. Both scenarios are possible.

As for naxus comment...See Nag's answer. Even if Lala recruited the double voter, which the chances are nearly slim as we haven't see the double voter in action ever since Hank deadbeated, I don't see the link with me. I am not dumb enough to have claimed miller day 1 as mafia.

[lalaland]

freezie, I used my doublevote for squirrel a while ago to prove myself, and i can do it again if you need me to.

And you're setting up a classic WIFOM with your miller plan, and for an experienced player such as yourself it's a brilliant idea of how to play a mafia role.

also unvote

[freezie]

freezie, I used my doublevote for squirrel a while ago to prove myself, and i can do it again if you need me to.

And you're setting up a classic WIFOM with your miller plan, and for an experienced player such as yourself it's a brilliant idea of how to play a mafia role.

also unvote

I said I don't doubt your the double voter...-.-

And I have been on the wifom spotlight since day 1, at this point it won't change anything. The actual question was ''where is the link between me and Lala''

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

freezie (1) - jonty125

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

[lalaland]

freezie, I used my doublevote for squirrel a while ago to prove myself, and i can do it again if you need me to.

And you're setting up a classic WIFOM with your miller plan, and for an experienced player such as yourself it's a brilliant idea of how to play a mafia role.

also unvote

I said I don't doubt your the double voter...-.-

And I have been on the wifom spotlight since day 1, at this point it won't change anything. The actual question was ''where is the link between me and Lala''

Oh, I guess I misunderstood...

Freezie, do you know if you're also a death miller?

[freezie]

Death miller? My pm doesn't say anything about that. I am a town miller pokemon.

[lalaland]

Death miller means that if you die you'll still show up as guilty

[jonty125]

9 days until deadline and we have many leads has fircoal has brain cells