NY motorcyclist in helmet protest hits head, dies

[PLAYER57832]

This is such utter crap. Clearly, both wearing your seatbelts and wearing motorcycle helmets are very bad for you because BOTH of these things greatly increase your chances of dying from cancer.

[keiths31]

Really? That is your argument? Lame.

What is your counter-argument?

I'm not going to get into an inane argument about how everyday things we do put us in danger and we could possibly die. We all know that to be true. We are talking about helmets and motorcycles. I think people that don't wear them are idiots. And people that say they would rather die than be left with other injuries are bigger idiots.

[BigBallinStalin]

Really? That is your argument? Lame.

What is your counter-argument?

I'm not going to get into an inane argument about how everyday things we do put us in danger and we could possibly die. We all know that to be true. We are talking about helmets and motorcycles. I think people that don't wear them are idiots. And people that say they would rather die than be left with other injuries are bigger idiots.

At the very least, you should've realized that your original position of "When the chance of living "poorly" is preventable, then yes they are idiots" is a very difficult position to defend.

Woodruff shows how it's very difficult.

Then you fold your arms and say, "Hmph! Really? That's all you got?" (without providing any defense).

So, at least concede that your original standpoint is a bit shaky. You're free to change it without any loss to cyber-manhood...

[mpjh]

I'm against all safety laws that affect whether I injure myself. I'm less sure about whether I support public safety laws that affect people other than myself.

The only interest the government has in making a law requiring me to wear a motorcycle helmet is to help large corporations avoid having to pay insurance proceeds or from lawsuits regarding safety. Simply put, it's corporate welfare.

Of course, and we should deny emergency service at government expense to those smart bike riders injured without a helmet.

[thegreekdog]

I'm against all safety laws that affect whether I injure myself. I'm less sure about whether I support public safety laws that affect people other than myself.

The only interest the government has in making a law requiring me to wear a motorcycle helmet is to help large corporations avoid having to pay insurance proceeds or from lawsuits regarding safety. Simply put, it's corporate welfare.

Of course, and we should deny emergency service at government expense to those smart bike riders injured without a helmet.

Agreed!

[keiths31]

Really? That is your argument? Lame.

What is your counter-argument?

I'm not going to get into an inane argument about how everyday things we do put us in danger and we could possibly die. We all know that to be true. We are talking about helmets and motorcycles. I think people that don't wear them are idiots. And people that say they would rather die than be left with other injuries are bigger idiots.

At the very least, you should've realized that your original position of "When the chance of living "poorly" is preventable, then yes they are idiots" is a very difficult position to defend.

Woodruff shows how it's very difficult.

Then you fold your arms and say, "Hmph! Really? That's all you got?" (without providing any defense).

So, at least concede that your original standpoint is a bit shaky. You're free to change it without any loss to cyber-manhood...

Cyber-manhood?
Look. I stand by my statement as my personal opinion. I don't need to defend it. It's my opinion. I am not being racist, putting women down or calling anyone out on religion (like so many others do in this forum). I have made it quite clear it is how I think. Sure my original post was "shaky" in your opinion and Woofruff. Who cares? I'm not taking a bigoted stance...but one to me seems to be common sense.

[BigBallinStalin]

Really? That is your argument? Lame.

What is your counter-argument?

I'm not going to get into an inane argument about how everyday things we do put us in danger and we could possibly die. We all know that to be true. We are talking about helmets and motorcycles. I think people that don't wear them are idiots. And people that say they would rather die than be left with other injuries are bigger idiots.

At the very least, you should've realized that your original position of "When the chance of living "poorly" is preventable, then yes they are idiots" is a very difficult position to defend.

Woodruff shows how it's very difficult.

Then you fold your arms and say, "Hmph! Really? That's all you got?" (without providing any defense).

So, at least concede that your original standpoint is a bit shaky. You're free to change it without any loss to cyber-manhood...

Cyber-manhood?
Look. I stand by my statement as my personal opinion. I don't need to defend it. It's my opinion. I am not being racist, putting women down or calling anyone out on religion (like so many others do in this forum). I have made it quite clear it is how I think. Sure my original post was "shaky" in your opinion and Woofruff. Who cares? I'm not taking a bigoted stance...but one to me seems to be common sense.

Haha, I'm glad you found that cyber-manhood bit funny, but really, you have to understand that you are digging in your heels without acknowledging that there are problems with your opinion/the way you think.

If someone reasonably questions my thoughts or actions, then I pause to reconsider and understand. That's a reasonable approach because I have the desire to inform myself and to hold more reasonable and correct opinions--this helps me and others. However, continuing to disregard reasonable objections to one's opinions describes one as acting like a bigot.

That's what you're doing; you're being a bigot, and my point is that you should at least know that you are acting this way, and hopefully you should invest the time to correct that. Please understand that I'm not here to offend you; I'm merely calling you out on it.

I humbly request that you at least acknowledge that there may be problems with your opinion, but please don't just dig in your heels and essentially say, "Piss off, I'm right, you're wrong, and I don't care to change my mind."

[keiths31]

I humbly request that you at least acknowledge that there may be problems with your opinion, but please don't just dig in your heels and essentially say, "Piss off, I'm right, you're wrong, and I don't care to change my mind."

I never said to piss off. I just didn't want to engage in a discussion where a long list of everyday actions could lead to death, because that is where that discussion was going to go (to me it felt like I was engaging in an argument with one of my kids who is trying to convince me to let them rent X video game because their friends parents let them). But I do not care to change my views. I stand by them because they are what I believe. I see no sense in someone purposely not wearing a helmet when it can save their life. I choose not to ride a motorcycle because there is nothing but your clothes protecting your body in case of an accident. Not for me.
Sure. There may be problems with my opinion...because it is an opinion. I am not basing it on tangible facts, but I formed my own opinion based on life experiences and ideals. The same way that someone who is in favour of not wearing a helmet has done. There is nothing noble with dying because your "motorcycle-manhood" is threatened because you cover your noggin with protection. But yet those that think that way aren't having their opinions challenged as flawed...

[Woodruff]

I humbly request that you at least acknowledge that there may be problems with your opinion, but please don't just dig in your heels and essentially say, "Piss off, I'm right, you're wrong, and I don't care to change my mind."

I never said to piss off. I just didn't want to engage in a discussion where a long list of everyday actions could lead to death, because that is where that discussion was going to go (to me it felt like I was engaging in an argument with one of my kids who is trying to convince me to let them rent X video game because their friends parents let them). But I do not care to change my views. I stand by them because they are what I believe. I see no sense in someone purposely not wearing a helmet when it can save their life. I choose not to ride a motorcycle because there is nothing but your clothes protecting your body in case of an accident. Not for me.
Sure. There may be problems with my opinion...because it is an opinion. I am not basing it on fact, but I formed my own opinion based on life experiences and ideals. The same way that someone who is in favour of not wearing a helmet has done. There is nothing noble with dying because your "motorcycle-manhood" is threatened because you cover your noggin with protection. But yet those that think that

I don't think you've understood my perspective. It has nothing at all to do with "motorcycle-manhood". I am not a motorcyclist at all, and I think that motorcyclists that don't wear their helmets are generally idiots, as you've said. However, IF THEIR ARGUMENT IS HONESTLY that they would prefer to die from the head injury rather than survive but be massively crippled from the wreck, I can respect that and I would not call that an idiotic perspective at all. Death is not at all always the worst outcome, you realize. That was my entire point.

[keiths31]

I know what your point was. And I agree that sometimes death is a better option. But, who is to say that all injuries suffered in an accident will result in a poor quality of life? They get into an accident and suffer only a broken arm...but because they weren't wearing a helmet it is a broken arm and a fractured skull and death by blunt force trauma to the head? No one knows the outcome of an accident before it happens. But you won't know the outcome if you are dead either.