Netherlands [Quenched]

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:35 am

Looks good to me.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:28 am

well, if youve decided to keep the black line on the river make sure it is connected all the way to betuwe. other than that- looks great

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:15 pm

I agree with the above post. Try to soften and blur some of the borders of the various lines on the map, so they aren't so rigid and pixely.

--Andy

Bonobo · Post by **Bonobo** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:25 pm

Well done lone.prophet this map is one of the best maps of the club so i don't know why it is not yet on the playlist !!!

hOPE TO PLAY IT SOON !

KEEP ON THE GOOD WORK

BONOBO

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:26 pm

plysprtz · Post by **plysprtz** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:59 am

^^what he said^^

love the map

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:17 am

progress seems sooo slow

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:41 am

duhh people whine about that a border looks to pixelly while in all current map the blue armies are almost invisible in blue territoy if that aint perfect what are they whining for. it looks so good to so much people, the only people who dont agree are those who are assinged moderator while normal players think it is good!!!!!!!!!

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:53 am

actually a small part of the river does look slightly pixelated just a bit of blur should sort that out

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:55 pm

So, here's what the bonus formula comes out to on your regions:

Wadden: 2.08
Noord: 1.83
Midden: 4.58
Holland: 4.83
Utrecht: 2.25
Zeeland: 2.08
Zuid: 3.67

So basically, now that Midden has another territory (making it 7 territories and 4 borders, just like Holland), I think it should be +5.

Both Wadden and Zeeland only have 2 borders and they're in corners, they seem too easy to hold for +3. On the other hand 5 territories with 2 borders seems like it should be worth more than 2 or 3 territories with 2 borders. Not sure what to do here, but I thought I'd mention it.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:58 pm

What formula is that Samus?

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:05 pm

The bonus formula I use is calculated:

( (Number of territories * 1.5) + (Number of border territories * 4) + (Number of neighboring territories * 0.5) + (Number of neighboring regions * 1) ) / 6

It's a modified version of the formula I totally stole from WM (and for all I know he stole it from someone else). The original multiplies neighboring territories by 1 and neighboring regions by 0.5, but I switched those because I think it's more accurate this way. It tends to compensate for regions being in a corner better, or regions in the middle bordering everyone (but perhaps not necessarily bordering tons of territories).

I think it works pretty good, but it's not the final word or anything. Just something to consider.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:11 pm

Ok thanks Samus. However I think the bonuses are fine as they are because Zuid has three access points while Holland has 4 access points and gameplay wise I think that because of that it deserves to have an extra unit bonus over Zuid.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:13 pm

No, I was thinking Midden should be +5. You're right Zuid is fine at +4.

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:20 pm

i just didnt change it yet after i made an extra country

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:22 pm

Samus wrote:No, I was thinking Midden should be +5. You're right Zuid is fine at +4.

Ooops sorry. I guess I am too tired to think properly today!

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:27 pm

I just ran that formula on classic and ended up with this:

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o----------o-------o------o
|Continent |Formula|Actual|
o----------o-------o------o
|N. America|   5   |  5   |
|S. America|   2   |  2   |
|Europe    |  5.4  |  5   |
|Africa    |  4.3  |  3   |
|Asia      |  7.5  |  7   |
|Oceania   |  1.9  |  2   |
o----------o-------o------o

If you want an idea of how seriously it should be followed.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:59 pm

Ack! I forgot there's a -1 at the end. It's all done through a spreadsheet so I don't really think about it.

So Classic comes out to:

N. America: 4.00
S. America: 1.83
Europe: 4.67
Africa: 3.42
Asia: 6.67
Oceania: 0.92

Basically the same except N. America and Oceania, which could be argued are too high at +5 and +2. I wouldn't change them, but arguing it isn't crazy talk.

But again, it's not any kind of final authority or anything. It usually helps more when you aren't sure what a bonus should be.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:23 am

mm interesting but i always think that the bonuses set up the kind of gameplay not designate whether there is good gameplay, within reason. For instance as oceania is theoretically to high it means more people fight over that continent so it makes that interesting. however i understand it is only a guidline

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:06 am

ok dont go to offtopis to much

plz comment on the map and as i said the legenda needs to change i forgot after making a new country

bonobo`s son · Post by **bonobo`s son** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:00 pm

finish it i want to play this map

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:02 pm

thi does seem to drag on a bit is there a reason this one does seem to have been around the foundry ages

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:22 pm

this is what happened i gave a new version and people discus the bonus while i said i forgot to change it now comment on the map it is one page back

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:03 am

if none respond there can be no improvement

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:00 am

how is this different from BeNeLux?

Netherlands [Quenched]

Jesus when am i gonna play this map ?