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[kwanton]

EBWOP

omg so many misspellings. Using my friends computer....I F'in hate macbooks....

[pancakemix]

As far as Jonty...I can kind of understand tthe argument going over ones head defense (it can be related to the noob defense but is a bit different) so I don't have any problem with that response. I would recommend though if you do feel this way that a second read and if you still don't get it asking for clarification.

I understand the cases it just as I metioned the term 'Mafia Godfather' sprung to mind when Gil said he wanted to be invstiagted but not killed.

Well, outright killing would be jumping the gun on that situation (for lack of a better term). It would give us the info but would be completely impractical.

I think naxus' explanation is reasonable. Everything makes sense and it doesn't reek of a scum cop-out. (And, as much as I hate metagaming, I think naxus has a naturally scummy play style)

[kwanton]

Also in light of naxus' defense

unvote

[strike wolf]

My vote on Kwan was essentially random trying to get some movement in the thread. I've been in way too many games where day one is wasted by deadline forcing a no lynch and day 2 lags just as bad.

I can somewhat agree with this, Day 1 in this game was highly unproductive in the end.

I didn't mean to defend andy, was just pointing out his usual way of posting everywhere in the forum.

I was more concerned with the brevity of the statement combined with other posts that don't stray too far from the path than your defense of Andy (I believe I pointed any connection made via that post to be extremely weak).

@ seeming scummy, as Fircoal put it, I always seem to come off scummy. It happens in damn near every game and i guess its just how people view my posts.

With TSL case, Most forums/Game that I do online, each mod is on everyday atleast to just say "Busy reply later" Or some such. That and too many people were willing to let TSL off the hook when he Could have been scumarining.

Perhaps you had a reason to believe that he would be active but I still feel you put too matter of factly. I would say at the very least you should try to watch what you say a bit better.

And strike you do have to admit that in all games that fir is in, He has his usual way of acting and posting. Any variance from that is something to consider.

Unvote though

I'll just be honest here...I have a hard time reading Fircoal to the point where I often unfairly accuse him of being scum...mostly because even as town he varies from almost completely apathetic to overeager especially on day 1. I kind of see his behavior as a bit different then what I've noticed in the past but there is enough variation in his play style that the case itself is too weak for me to jump behind.

Either way your overall answer seems fair enough and i'll agree with kwan and PCM here and unvote

@kwan: I'm not sure the flavor fits a cult...I don't want to be too early to say this but in general metagaming the mod here, Safari likes to announce when there is a cult in his games. The second option, I think just leads to a game that is way too quick paced for those sized mafia groups especially if there is a vig but the flavor would fit (scammers as one group, Mom or brains as another group and Santa Claws confirmed SK). I'll again assume you meant to say haggis not gilligan but it almost sounds like you think he could be a mafia PGO. Considering the nature of the PGO role, I think that it would be overpowered on a mafia. I wouldn't underestimate the ability for Kif and Amy to be lovers they were the most straightforward and prevalent couple in the series (you could argue Fry and Leela but that's hardly a straight forward relationship...unless the alternate universe is involved but I think the game is too small for that to be possible). I also wouldn't underestimate Zap Branigan and Kif as masons...they were to Kif's chagrin practically inseparable in the show.

[AndyDufresne]

Is it worthwhile to have a discussion on what we think would be probable characters involved in this game? We briefly have mentioned characters in posts throughout the game so far, but we haven't had a sit down and hammer out probables.


--Andy

[jonty125]

Is it worthwhile to have a discussion on what we think would be probable characters involved in this game? We briefly have mentioned characters in posts throughout the game so far, but we haven't had a sit down and hammer out probables.


--Andy

I would definitely say yes if this was D1 but this D2 so I would think usual scum-hunting techqunies would come into play - but with no deadline there is no hurry to get a lynch. I have no knowledge of Futurama so I won't be contributing much (without help from wikipedia)

[strike wolf]

I would say Dr. Zoidberg and Nibbler are likely.

Discussing who could and isn't in the game always has positive and negative consequences...I usually prefer to not overdo revealing who I think would be in the game in preference for keeping an internal note for when someone claims.

[kwanton]

yes, yes. Too many things on my plate and I easily confuse names....

I think that if someone has enough knowledge of flavor then speculating on what possible characters would be in the game is a very good thing to do, as long as it remains speculation and not actually revealing info in a PM.

Also, our mod specifically said this game encompasses all seasons and that the movies are included in that. There's no reason for him to say that unless someone or something specific and unique to the movies was in this game. So what does that give us?

YIVO cult
Scammers- mafia
My memory is fuzzy on the movie Bender's Game. The big bad in that is mom's group tho I can't remember if there was anyone else.
Then the two animals from the fourth movie (one good one bad)

Again I'm picking out major characters that were NEW in the movies and unique to them. Our mod's language in his responses leads me to believe thats the case.

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
Professor Farnsworth: Good news, everyone! I've taught the toaster to feel love!


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- drunk, jonty
Fircoal(2)- /, freezie
freezie(1)- pcm


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[strike wolf]

For a memory jog...was YIVO the beast of 1000 necks?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I really got the impression that drunkmonkey, Strike, and freezie were taking advantage of Gilligan's admitted mistake.

While I do agree that at this point a lynch needs to be reached, at the point in the day this happened it was no longer realistic and a rushed lynch with that little time left would have quite likely been worse. Most likely lynched town with probable power role dying and with how quick it would have had to have been there wouldn't me much to gather from the lynch itself. Naxus here doesn't even suggest who we should lynch it just seems like he wants to suggest that we do lynch someone without directly connecting himself to making the decision on the quick lynch.

And yet when Gilligan voted for Sax after supposedly missing Haggis' post, you were all for the speed lynch of Gilligan D1:

QFBFT

vote gilligan He didn't even attempt to address haggis' statement in his comment.

So what I've seen from Strike is he wants to speed lynch Gilligan, which he later condemns because naxus wanted a lynch on saxlad. Not only that, but he teams up drunkmonkey in his vote against Gilligan.

That's not to say his case against naxus doesn't have merit, but I don't believe you can use the "in favor of a speed lynch" argument when he was guilty of it himself.

FOS Strike.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

I thought everyone knew I was a hypocrit?

No really. I never really actually expected him to be a lynch but I made a stand on who I thougght should be pressured. Should I have voted him? I think so. Should he have been speed lynched? No. Naxus made a blanket statement 5 1/2 hrs. Later saying someone needs to be lynched.

[kwanton]

1000 backs.

He attached his tentacles or whatever to people's necks and controlled them. It just fits cult too perfectly.

[Gilligan]

Something like this is what I was thinking before when I asked our mod if the movies counted. Something just struck me as odd when gilligan asked for doc protect and cop invsigation yesterday, and then BOTH happen to die night 1. The only reason I didn't say anything is that it makes no sense with the death scenes.

Never asked for a doc protect...Just an investigation.

[strike wolf]

Something like this is what I was thinking before when I asked our mod if the movies counted. Something just struck me as odd when gilligan asked for doc protect and cop invsigation yesterday, and then BOTH happen to die night 1. The only reason I didn't say anything is that it makes no sense with the death scenes.

Never asked for a doc protect...Just an investigation.

He clarified he meant haggis. Stop skimming.

[Gilligan]

Something like this is what I was thinking before when I asked our mod if the movies counted. Something just struck me as odd when gilligan asked for doc protect and cop invsigation yesterday, and then BOTH happen to die night 1. The only reason I didn't say anything is that it makes no sense with the death scenes.

Never asked for a doc protect...Just an investigation.

He clarified he meant haggis. Stop skimming.

I'm not skimming. I wasn't sure he meant more than one post about haggis.

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1000 backs.

He attached his tentacles or whatever to people's necks and controlled them. It just fits cult too perfectly.

It's possible, but last Safari game he specifically posted scenes to indicate cult activity, I would say it's somewhat unlikely, besides the only way to hurt "shklim" was an extremely specific intervention from the league of robots (which could also possibly be the shadowy group based on Bender's interpretation).

[kwanton]

ah ok. Yeah safari implying when there's a cult has been brought up twice now so I'll accept it until i see evidence of a cult.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I thought everyone knew I was a hypocrit?

No really. I never really actually expected him to be a lynch but I made a stand on who I thougght should be pressured. Should I have voted him? I think so. Should he have been speed lynched? No. Naxus made a blanket statement 5 1/2 hrs. Later saying someone needs to be lynched.

What else were you looking for 10 hours from the deadline?

-Tails

[strike wolf]

I thought everyone knew I was a hypocrit?

No really. I never really actually expected him to be a lynch but I made a stand on who I thougght should be pressured. Should I have voted him? I think so. Should he have been speed lynched? No. Naxus made a blanket statement 5 1/2 hrs. Later saying someone needs to be lynched.

What else were you looking for 10 hours from the deadline?

-Tails

Pressure. Something. Anything. With 10 hours left (I think it would have been less if Safari got on at the rough deadline) I didn't realistically think he should or would be lynched but I'm not adverse to putting pressure on him. I would hope you would see the difference between pressuring a bit with 10 hours left and telling everyone a lynch needed to be reached with under 5 hours left.

[freezie]

So having read through everything. I think out of the cases presented so far, Freezie is the most interesting. I don't make much out of the arguments by themselves but what I find interesting is that he didn't even put the effort into the Gilligan case, he presented it, went radio silent for a few days and then pops back in saying that he felt people didn't seem to find it scummy and moved onto the next case without even really trying to reinforce any of the points he had made about the argument in the beginning.

And then I go silent a few more days, but you can blame my job for that.

True, I could have put more effort on Gilli's case. However, I had nothing more to add than what has been said on day 1, and as pointed, I still beleive he's quite lucky that everyone let him loose so easily. If people are going to let him loose, while I have nothing to add, I would feel Rodion-ish to re-present the case with the same arguments and holding on to what everyone beleive is a dead case.

I am still re-reading a bit, on all my games actually, once the week-end arrive I'll take 2-3 hours and get back on touch with everything.


Unvote for the time beeing.

[AndyDufresne]

So having read through everything. I think out of the cases presented so far, Freezie is the most interesting. I don't make much out of the arguments by themselves but what I find interesting is that he didn't even put the effort into the Gilligan case, he presented it, went radio silent for a few days and then pops back in saying that he felt people didn't seem to find it scummy and moved onto the next case without even really trying to reinforce any of the points he had made about the argument in the beginning.

And then I go silent a few more days, but you can blame my job for that.

True, I could have put more effort on Gilli's case. However, I had nothing more to add than what has been said on day 1, and as pointed, I still beleive he's quite lucky that everyone let him loose so easily. If people are going to let him loose, while I have nothing to add, I would feel Rodion-ish to re-present the case with the same arguments and holding on to what everyone beleive is a dead case.

I am still re-reading a bit, on all my games actually, once the week-end arrive I'll take 2-3 hours and get back on touch with everything.


Unvote for the time beeing.

So how many prospect-cases do we have? Fircoal, Gilligan, Freezie, Naxus, Strike Wolf?

I'm willing to listen to all the cases, but the Fircoal and Gilligan cases have been scattered too much for me to make much of anything. For those of you who feel something about those cases, would you write up a summary post, so we could more easily compare all the cases? Ta1lgunn3r just sort of presented a summary for the Strike Wolf case-building, and Strike Wolf and Myself posted earlier about Naxus and Freezie respectively. If my post isn't adequate enough for case comparison, let me know, and I'll write up something else.


--Andy

[jonty125]

I'm willing to listen to all the cases, but the Fircoal and Gilligan cases have been scattered too much for me to make much of anything. For those of you who feel something about those cases, would you write up a summary post,

I'll try, first time I've done something like this (I know noob defense is screaming in my head right now but I'm covering all bases)

Back from vacation...Reading up on the 7 or so pages that happened whilst I was gone.

It's been 72 hours since this post. Do you have any more to add or are you purposely submarining trying to kill the day?

I spent 2 days at my friend's beach house.

Anyway, I guess I could lynch Sax, but as others said I'd like at least a role claim to be sure we don't kill a nice power role the first day. That'd damn suck.

This post was made 3 hours after this post

Le Sigh.

I can vouch for Sax, I know he's town. I really hope you guys don't force me to say more, a simple investigation on one of us should suffice.

You have hardly being fastposted by Haggis and I don't wan Futurama but to keep the game balanced I can't imagine mafia having 2 members that are cop investigation immune.

Okay um...I have no fucking clue how that happened. Call me a dumbass.

Obviously I'm ready to not vote sax. If someone is lurking and doesn't follow up with anything (I will admit I am guilty of this, but I was on vacation gimme a break) I normally have no issue lynching that person.

Had I seen what Haggis said, I would have never said that. The best I can say at this point is have a cop check me, but you don't want to lynch me.

So you either skimmed (which you did use as an excuse), or that you saw a bandwagon on a townie and as mafia couldn't wait to get 1-up on the town

My apologizes. I'll be much more active from now on now that I don't have a week to catch up on. To be honest, though, I fully read at least 95%.

I would accept this as an excuse but we get a case of deja vu which smells a little fishy if you ask me.

As far as Jonty...I can kind of understand tthe argument going over ones head defense (it can be related to the noob defense but is a bit different) so I don't have any problem with that response. I would recommend though if you do feel this way that a second read and if you still don't get it asking for clarification.

I understand the cases it just as I metioned the term 'Mafia Godfather' sprung to mind when Gil said he wanted to be invstiagted but not killed.

Something like this is what I was thinking before when I asked our mod if the movies counted. Something just struck me as odd when gilligan asked for doc protect and cop invsigation yesterday, and then BOTH happen to die night 1. The only reason I didn't say anything is that it makes no sense with the death scenes.

I also couldn't think of any characters from the show where gilligan would know TSL's alignment without a doubt. I have reason to believe it is not a kif/amy lover scenario but I won't give more details than that. Fry/Leela couldn't really be considered lovers in the show so that doesn't make sense either. Some kind of nibblonian masonry would be possible especially with nibbler in the game, but its unlikely unless the brains are the big bad group here. Hermes/his wife are too minor of a couple really.

If you think through all the main characters from the show none of them really make sense as knowing each other's alignmnt. Of course this is just speculation and honestly, the flavor in the scene implies hes telling the truth. No real concrete suspicion here besides just having a bad feeling about it. However, tsl and gilli are not completely off the hook yet either.

This was kwanton's original post. He does initailly say Gilligan.

My vote on Kwan was essentially random trying to get some movement in the thread. I've been in way too many games where day one is wasted by deadline forcing a no lynch and day 2 lags just as bad.

I can somewhat agree with this, Day 1 in this game was highly unproductive in the end.

I didn't mean to defend andy, was just pointing out his usual way of posting everywhere in the forum.

I was more concerned with the brevity of the statement combined with other posts that don't stray too far from the path than your defense of Andy (I believe I pointed any connection made via that post to be extremely weak).

@ seeming scummy, as Fircoal put it, I always seem to come off scummy. It happens in damn near every game and i guess its just how people view my posts.

With TSL case, Most forums/Game that I do online, each mod is on everyday atleast to just say "Busy reply later" Or some such. That and too many people were willing to let TSL off the hook when he Could have been scumarining.

Perhaps you had a reason to believe that he would be active but I still feel you put too matter of factly. I would say at the very least you should try to watch what you say a bit better.

And strike you do have to admit that in all games that fir is in, He has his usual way of acting and posting. Any variance from that is something to consider.

Unvote though

I'll just be honest here...I have a hard time reading Fircoal to the point where I often unfairly accuse him of being scum...mostly because even as town he varies from almost completely apathetic to overeager especially on day 1. I kind of see his behavior as a bit different then what I've noticed in the past but there is enough variation in his play style that the case itself is too weak for me to jump behind.

Either way your overall answer seems fair enough and i'll agree with kwan and PCM here and unvote

@kwan: I'm not sure the flavor fits a cult...I don't want to be too early to say this but in general metagaming the mod here, Safari likes to announce when there is a cult in his games. The second option, I think just leads to a game that is way too quick paced for those sized mafia groups especially if there is a vig but the flavor would fit (scammers as one group, Mom or brains as another group and Santa Claws confirmed SK). I'll again assume you meant to say haggis not gilligan but it almost sounds like you think he could be a mafia PGO. Considering the nature of the PGO role, I think that it would be overpowered on a mafia. I wouldn't underestimate the ability for Kif and Amy to be lovers they were the most straightforward and prevalent couple in the series (you could argue Fry and Leela but that's hardly a straight forward relationship...unless the alternate universe is involved but I think the game is too small for that to be possible). I also wouldn't underestimate Zap Branigan and Kif as masons...they were to Kif's chagrin practically inseparable in the show.

In bold, strike queries whether he meant Haggis or Gilligan

yes, yes. Too many things on my plate and I easily confuse names....

I think that if someone has enough knowledge of flavor then speculating on what possible characters would be in the game is a very good thing to do, as long as it remains speculation and not actually revealing info in a PM.

Also, our mod specifically said this game encompasses all seasons and that the movies are included in that. There's no reason for him to say that unless someone or something specific and unique to the movies was in this game. So what does that give us?

YIVO cult
Scammers- mafia
My memory is fuzzy on the movie Bender's Game. The big bad in that is mom's group tho I can't remember if there was anyone else.
Then the two animals from the fourth movie (one good one bad)

Again I'm picking out major characters that were NEW in the movies and unique to them. Our mod's language in his responses leads me to believe thats the case.

kwanton confirms he meant Haggis. This is the 2nd case of skimming from Gilligan and I won't let it slide easily. In further addition, I think its curious he doesn't ask for a doc protection as he is suppposed to be a power role who we will beneficial later in the game.

I think Gilligan was too quick to lynch sax(me) on Day 1, while admittedly skimming over the thread. I wouldn't mind hearing his defense.

I already gave it? However I was just about the last one to put a vote on you. Many before me voted for Sax.

Sorry, that was worded poorly. I know you were about the last to put a vote on, however, you were the only one to vote after the new information came out. It appears to me you were just jumping on the bandwagon to get someone lynched.

By defense, I meant "why we shouldn't lynch you".

It's just the way I play mafia. If we have a mislynch, I don't mind using it, which is what I was doing. Of course, I missed that piece of vital information a mere few posts above me.

As far as why you should keep me, I'll chalk it up to a better late-game role.

I know D1 normally ends no lynch or mislynch but you're saying that doen't matter! Keep me because I have a late-game role so your hoping to pick us off quickly and pretend you would have revealed your role in the right circumstances

Well's that my case against Gilligan

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
George Foreman: As an interesting side note, as a head without a body, I envy the dead.
Rich Little: No argument here.


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- drunk, jonty
Fircoal(1)- /
freezie(1)- pcm


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
[Bender is disguised as a sexy nurse, talking to a chat room participant.]
Bender: Hi, I'm a naughty nurse, and I really need someone to talk to. $9.95 a minute.
Chat room participant: Oh, you're a dollar naughtier than most.
[He hands Bender the money.]
Bender: So, how 'bout them Knicks?


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- drunk, jonty
Fircoal(1)- /
freezie(1)- pcm


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Alright, with activity flagging again, I'll set a 14 day deadline. Day will end on Midnight August 19th.