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This would seem to be backtracking on your part a fair bit. I'm not going to go to great lengths to dissect a pun, but while you're right that it was partially serious- that I think this thread gets used for sexual kicks, I think the unserious part- the puns on masturbation are what you latched on to, and replied to with perhaps a little TMI.Dukasaur wrote:It may have been partially a joke, but I think you were at least partially serious. It's certainly consistent with the rest of what you're saying.Symmetry wrote:This would be the false assumption that I think you're referring too. It was much more of a joke than anything else, and while irony is tough to read sometimes on the internet, I think it should be taken as such.Dukasaur wrote:I can't speak for KoolBack or anyone else, but I can honestly tell you that I have never masturbated while reading any part of the CC forums. Never was even tempted. Admittedly that might be because I'm getting old and my testosterone levels are not what they used to be. I suppose if I was 17 and looking at these images it might be a different story. But then, a 17 year old can ejaculate by staring at a knothole in a cedar plank, so that too doesn't prove much.Symmetry wrote:Let's be clear- this isn't a thread for appreciating feminine beauty, or about figuring out where women turn up in various degrees of ranking. It's about titillation and sexy kicks.
I'm not asking for anyone to give equal time to viewing pictures of hot sexy and nsfw pictures of women as they would for hot sexy and nsfw pictures of men. Just that, hey, if I post a dude in trunks in the middle of a thread of several hundred pictures of women in underwear that posters on this thread not call down the apocalypse. I don't think I "ruined" this thread by doing so, I don't think it was an action worthy of calling on the mods to punish me (those pics were reported), I don't think they were worthy of the demands that they be removed, or the foeing I received by players and indeed the suggestions by those players that I be foed by others. Equality doesn't even come in to it in terms of viewing time, and I would not say that someone is a hypocrite if they're not devoting equal amounts of time to the viewing of attractive members of either of the main genders. That seems like a bit of a strawman.Dukasaur wrote:Basically to paraphrase your recent arguments, you've been arguing that our desire to look at pretty women and not pretty men makes us hypocrites, and that if we're not willing to give men and women equal time that proves that this is just a pornographic thread for getting off on looking at the women. (Which in turn is why I think you were at least partially serious with your comments about readers masturbating.)(...excise long quote. If I couldn't make myself understood after all that, then I'm probably not going to improve anything by repeating it all...)
My first response is that people who use the word "loins" outside of directly referring to cuts of meat sound a little bit creepy. My second response is that I think my posts brought a smile to many people's faces, and it's that second type of response that led to the complaints.Dukasaur wrote: My response to that is that while appreciation of the female form is rooted in sexuality, and if you're not going to draw a line between that which merely brings a smile to a man's face and that which brings an erection to his loins then you're losing any point you might be trying to make.
Analogies are best employed to simplify a point. I think I roughly understand what you're trying to say, but as with the newspaper example you used above, this really just complicates matters.Dukasaur wrote: To make a non-sexual analogy: If I wish to make some statements about "moving objects" and you jump in and say, "but ALL objects are moving objects, since they are all sitting on planet Earth which is itself always moving" then yes, you are in the strict sense telling the truth, but you are at the same time doing truth a disservice. You are making the whole category "moving objects" useless by redefining it.
Keeping it simple- I don't argue that all images of women are pornographic. That's a strawman.Dukasaur wrote: If you argue that all images of women are pornographic because all our appreciation of women is rooted in our sexual need for them, you are making the whole category of pornography useless, and all discussion of it irrelevant.



Yay- first pics of guys with no shirts on for a few pages. Careful- some might think that's not the kind of image suited for this thread.Robinette wrote:
That picture deserves to be in this thread on its own merits...Robinette wrote:
Well, I wasn't calling for you to be punished. I thought your posting of the men was annoying, but not annoying enough to raise my blood pressure. But then I guess I'm a bit more tolerant than most.Symmetry wrote:I'm not asking for anyone to give equal time to viewing pictures of hot sexy and nsfw pictures of women as they would for hot sexy and nsfw pictures of men. Just that, hey, if I post a dude in trunks in the middle of a thread of several hundred pictures of women in underwear that posters on this thread not call down the apocalypse. I don't think I "ruined" this thread by doing so, I don't think it was an action worthy of calling on the mods to punish me (those pics were reported),Dukasaur wrote: Basically to paraphrase your recent arguments, you've been arguing that our desire to look at pretty women and not pretty men makes us hypocrites, and that if we're not willing to give men and women equal time that proves that this is just a pornographic thread for getting off on looking at the women. (Which in turn is why I think you were at least partially serious with your comments about readers masturbating.)
Symmetry wrote:I don't think they were worthy of the demands that they be removed, or the foeing I received by players and indeed the suggestions by those players that I be foed by others.
Why people are so irritated by the juxtaposition of male and female I'm not sure. I think at least partially it's because they are afraid of being tainted with any suggestion (deserved or undeserved) of having homosexual tendencies. Or maybe it's purely an aesthetic thing, I don't know. Certainly, though, unless you were born yesterday morning, you can't be unaware that this tendency exists. So I'm sure you weren't surprised by the reception you got.Dukasaur wrote:But since the Girl had a firm grip on Page Three, the Boy usually languished somewhere around Page Fifty. This led to further cries of favoritism, so various attempts were made during the 90s to put them on an equal footing -- first close to the front, and then close to the back. But putting the Girl and Boy on an equal footing, whether on Page 4+5 or on page 54+55, led to worse outcries than ever before. People of all genders and all sexual preferences didn't want their ideal beauty "contaminated" by the presence of their non-ideal beauty.
I like the word loins, and I suspect we'll never know how many responses of type A or B were promted. We do know there were quite a few type C "disgusted" responses.Symmetry wrote:My first response is that people who use the word "loins" outside of directly referring to cuts of meat sound a little bit creepy. My second response is that I think my posts brought a smile to many people's faces, and it's that second type of response that led to the complaints.Dukasaur wrote: My response to that is that while appreciation of the female form is rooted in sexuality, and if you're not going to draw a line between that which merely brings a smile to a man's face and that which brings an erection to his loins then you're losing any point you might be trying to make.
Anyway, I think we've flogged the horse dead. I've really enjoyed debating with a master!Symmetry wrote:If it's any consolation, I think that even if I had been arguing on this thread that all images of women are pornographic, then I strongly suspect uses would still be found for the category of pornography by a large number of people. Your concern for its well-being are, I fear, largely unfounded.
Well played, Dukasaur, well played.Dukasaur wrote:Anyway, I think we've flogged the horse dead. I've really enjoyed debating with a master!
Symmetry wrote:Well played, Dukasaur, well played.Dukasaur wrote:Anyway, I think we've flogged the horse dead. I've really enjoyed debating with a master!
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I was ready to go all the way!Robinette wrote:Symmetry wrote:Well played, Dukasaur, well played.Dukasaur wrote:Anyway, I think we've flogged the horse dead. I've really enjoyed debating with a master!
I am very happy to see the 2 of you getting along so well...
I was getting very concerned just how far you two master-debaters were going to take this...![]()
Very nice, btw!Robinette wrote:
Argh, you missed the point of the puns. You want to go for either "master-baiters", or "mass-debaters". Pull your finger out and do it properly.Robinette wrote:Symmetry wrote:Well played, Dukasaur, well played.Dukasaur wrote:Anyway, I think we've flogged the horse dead. I've really enjoyed debating with a master!
I am very happy to see the 2 of you getting along so well...
I was getting very concerned just how far you two master-debaters were going to take this...![]()
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