Homosexuality

[alex_white101]

ok well im definately not gay , just gayist? (like racist etc) anyways where i live at the mo homosexuality isnt allowed.

[Aegnor]

ok well im definately not gay , just gayist? (like racist etc) anyways where i live at the mo homosexuality isnt allowed.

It might not be "allowed" by law, but trust me, there are many gay people where you come from, they just stay low.

[Guiscard]

Ok.

You can basically back up any opinion you want on the subject by finding relevant scientific papers and discoveries. You have to take a wide spectrum and try and form a view from that. From what I've learnt, studied and interpreted I believe that sexuality is a pretty fluid mental state. We all have a big line in our brains running from completely hetroseual to completely homosexual and everyone falls somewhere along that line. You may be genetically disposed to either direction but that isn't the be all and end all. I think your sexuality is formed through many factors. the 'Everyone's a little bit queer' line is, in my opinion, spot on! We're all a bit gay and we're all a bit straight in varying proportions. Events in our life may move our sexuality either way, and I believe that it becomes more concrete as we move into adulthood, but you can't say at birth 'this baby is gay' any more than you can say 'this twelve year old is gay'. He/she may seem straight at 12, gay at 20 and straight again at 30. There is an element of choice if you fall more towards the middle of the line but that really is different to everyone.

As for being uncomfortable around gay men, well I get slightly uncomfortable around overly camp and outrageous guys, but then that's because of the way they act not their sexuality. I don't like people who are too over the top and pronounced anyway! I've got gay friends and I've been hit on by gay guys but this doesn't make be nervous or aggressive. I'm happy with my sexuality as a heterosexual! I think most homophobia is based on cultural conditioning (i.e. religious teaching, family teachings) or from simple unfamiliarity. My brother was never friends with people who weren't white until he was about 16 (he grew up in a pretty racist white town - not many first gen immigrants so not many families have settled). He was pretty racist purely through unfamiliarity until he started working and made black friends. Now he has no problem with race. I know people who were homophobic as anything until they made some friends who were gay or their friends came out, and now they're as accepting as anyone!

[Roger Dodger]

well, this is what i think. I think it's genetic and, this is why...

one of my fathers uncles was gay, one of my cousins was gay both men.

I am a lesbian, my nephew is gay and, my son is gay.

I know from personal experience that it was not a choice. i knew i was different at a very early age. 5-6. I did not understand it and, did not act of it. i do know that i tried dating but, it really didn't stick.
decided 1 day i wanted a child. chose a donor had my son.

At an early age i noticed he was different. i used to think to myself that he had gotten my girl gene. since i was not very girly like.
I hoped it would pass for him but, alas it happened anyway.
gotta say, i cried for days when he told me. what do you do?
don't know. sometimes you have to let people live their lives.

as far as bi-sexuality. that is a choice because when push comes to shove they will stick with heterosexuality because it is more comfortable, privileged, accepting...

just my 2 cents.

[alex_white101]

you cried for days when he said he was gay, but you are a lezbian?

[GoldenNaruto]

I love all lezbians but only if they let me watch!

[Genghis Khant]

Homosexuality is a vile sickness transmitted through dirty toilet seats.

[Backglass]

If you honestly think that Homosexuality is just a simple choice, you obviously have never met, been close to or spoken at length with someone who is gay.

If only it were as simple as just waking up one day and deciding "I think I'll change and become heterosexual". No gay person CHOSE to be ridiculed, outcast and different from most every other boy/girl in school. If every gay kid in school could just flip a switch and be like everybody else, they would have done it long ago.

As for the homophobic thing, I don't understand why men are so afraid of gays. Do they think that "gayness" will somehow rub off on them? Or that they will be tied down and forced to commit homosexual acts?! What isolated heterosexual people don't understand is that gay people are no different than you and I. Conservative, liberal, atheist, christian, outgoing, introverted, slutty, monogamous, etc. You just tend to focus on the "flamboyant flamers".

[Guilty_Biscuit]

It is most probably a mixture of both genetics and environment with everyone ending up along Guiscard's 'line'.

The genetic theory has not had much proper research, as it is understandably a touchy subject. But yes, there is evidence that sexuality can be decided in the womb via hormonal changes which have been shown to cause male brains to develop sexually in a similar way to women. As for the uncle theory the system of genetics states that the recessive 'gay gene' should have died out slowly (for the same reason sickle cell anaemia dies out slowly in countries with no malaria).

It is more likely that the gene is passed through women in their mitochondrial DNA. Perhaps even it is the mother's own hormones that alter the child's development in the womb, statistics show that after every son (straight or gay) the change of the next one being gay increases. This may be because the mother is slowly becoming immune to having male children!

There is also a more extreme form of this that may occur in families where there are lots of girls born and very few men - the women's bodies may actually be aborting male foetuses (via miscarriages). Genes are after all only interested in propagating themselves and Mitochondrial DNA hits a dead end in men as it is only passed on via the woman.

These are all just current theories, I don't think the scientific community in general want's to spend much time and rescources on the subject.

homosexuality isn't a bad thing but society and religion's reaction to homosexuals very often is a bad thing. Just another reason that modern societies would be better off without organised religion [/quote]

[jay_a2j]

or a homophobe.

Lets take a closer look at this word "homophobe".


homo:1. (italics) the genus of bipedal primates that includes modern humans and several extinct forms, distinguished by their large brains and a dependence upon tools. Compare archaic Homo.
2. Informal. (sometimes lowercase)
a. a member of the genus Homo.
b. the species Homo sapiens or one of its members.

phobe:suff.

One that fears or is averse to a specified thing



now we must look up the word averse......


averse:–adjective
having a strong feeling of opposition, antipathy, repugnance, etc.; opposed



So when some calls another a "homophobe" they are saying one of a few things:

A) you have a fear of man

or

B) you are opposed to, or have strong feeling against "homo's"(slang for homosexuals)


but far too often people like to use "homophobe" as a put down and that's where we get option "C"

C) you are a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality.



Now, I personally have never "feared" a homosexual or homosexuality. Do I hate homosexuals? Absolutely not. Do I hate homosexuality? Yes. It is a sin in my faith. But people like me are condemned all the time for having a moral foundation.



my 6 cents.


btw I do not believe people are "born" gay. I also believe that people are attracted to the same sex for a variety of reasons. But the "choice" comes in when you act upon these feelings or attractions. So, I believe that although a person can not choose whom they are attracted to they do choose whether or not they act upon it.

Great! Don't be gay, id you think Jesus would consider that sinful! However, seeming as how I am of the same faith as you (at least, I assume that you're Christian ) and my religion tells me that Jesus loves me for who I am. It's not just your faith, for the record. Good response otherwise, though.

backglass needs to read the above post.



spurgistan...Jesus does love you but He also hates sin. Kind of like, I love my daughter and if she started using drugs, I would still love her but hate the fact that she was using drugs.



Its separating the sin from the sinner. Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin. You have to be careful when you say, "Jesus loves me for who I am" Jesus loves all people: murderers, pedophiles, rapists and so on.... but He hates their sin.

[Backglass]

backglass needs to read the above post.

Awww Jay, you always break things down and selectively choose the definition that makes you feel good. Why did you choose "Averse" over the primary definition "Fears"? Phobias are phobias and the standard psychiatric definition of any phobia is fear.

You fear gays...admit it! If a gay couple moved in next door to your home, you would freak out and wouldn't let your kids play in the yard unattended.

Question: How many gay friends/associates do you have?

[heavycola]

or a homophobe.

Lets take a closer look at this word "homophobe".


homo:1. (italics) the genus of bipedal primates that includes modern humans and several extinct forms, distinguished by their large brains and a dependence upon tools. Compare archaic Homo.
2. Informal. (sometimes lowercase)
a. a member of the genus Homo.
b. the species Homo sapiens or one of its members.

phobe:suff.

One that fears or is averse to a specified thing



now we must look up the word averse......


averse:–adjective
having a strong feeling of opposition, antipathy, repugnance, etc.; opposed



So when some calls another a "homophobe" they are saying one of a few things:

A) you have a fear of man

or

B) you are opposed to, or have strong feeling against "homo's"(slang for homosexuals)


but far too often people like to use "homophobe" as a put down and that's where we get option "C"

C) you are a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality.



Now, I personally have never "feared" a homosexual or homosexuality. Do I hate homosexuals? Absolutely not. Do I hate homosexuality? Yes. It is a sin in my faith. But people like me are condemned all the time for having a moral foundation.



my 6 cents.


btw I do not believe people are "born" gay. I also believe that people are attracted to the same sex for a variety of reasons. But the "choice" comes in when you act upon these feelings or attractions. So, I believe that although a person can not choose whom they are attracted to they do choose whether or not they act upon it.

Great! Don't be gay, id you think Jesus would consider that sinful! However, seeming as how I am of the same faith as you (at least, I assume that you're Christian ) and my religion tells me that Jesus loves me for who I am. It's not just your faith, for the record. Good response otherwise, though.

backglass needs to read the above post.



spurgistan...Jesus does love you but He also hates sin. Kind of like, I love my daughter and if she started using drugs, I would still love her but hate the fact that she was using drugs.



Its separating the sin from the sinner. Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin. You have to be careful when you say, "Jesus loves me for who I am" Jesus loves all people: murderers, pedophiles, rapists and so on.... but He hates their sin.

Jay - this is the second time you have indirectly equated homosexuality with murder, rape and child abuse. WHy did you not use examples of sin like, wearing two types of cloth at once, cutting the hair at your temples, coveting your neighbour's wife etc?
Also will you be in my movie

[jay_a2j]

backglass needs to read the above post.

Awww Jay, you always break things down and selectively choose the definition that makes you feel good. Why did you choose "Averse" over the primary definition "Fears"? Phobias are phobias and the standard psychiatric definition of any phobia is fear.

You fear gays...admit it! If a gay couple moved in next door to your home, you would freak out and wouldn't let your kids play in the yard unattended.

Question: How many gay friends/associates do you have?

All definitions fro the words in my above post were taken from dictionary.com. You may have a problem with them.

As for your question.... My best friend is gay (he doesn't think so but denial is another issue) I also had another friend that is a lesbian but we have unfortunately lost contact with each other. Your characterization of those opposed to homosexuality is dead wrong. There may be some that actually do "fear" gays but the vast majority are just plain opposed to the lifestyle.

[Guiscard]

Jay you usually seem to be eager to pin things on scripture, yet homosexuality is one of the most vague sins of all... Pretty much any reference to specific condemnation of homosexuality can be disputed when we look at the original Hebrew translation. You do, however, ignore perhaps more concrete laws such as eating pork, wearing clothing of two materials...

Why do you pick and choose what is a sin, especially as there are more well defined biblical commands which are pretty much universally ignored!

[Backglass]

WHy did you not use examples of sin like, wearing two types of cloth at once, cutting the hair at your temples, coveting your neighbour's wife etc?

But they didn't mean those parts literally! They are antiquated and from an older time. But that HOMO part...it's serious and relevant today!

His religion is all about believing the parts that one want to believe.

[btownmeggy]

As for the uncle theory the system of genetics states that the recessive 'gay gene' should have died out slowly (for the same reason sickle cell anaemia dies out slowly in countries with no malaria).

You and the original poster are falling into the same fallacy: You assume that homosexuals either don't have children or have children at a much lower rate that the rest of the population. I'm not sure that's true today in those countries where homosexuality is relatively accepted, I bet that's not true in most of the world today, and it seems ridiculous that that would be true for most of the history of humankind.

[jay_a2j]

Jay you usually seem to be eager to pin things on scripture, yet homosexuality is one of the most vague sins of all... Pretty much any reference to specific condemnation of homosexuality can be disputed when we look at the original Hebrew translation. You do, however, ignore perhaps more concrete laws such as eating pork, wearing clothing of two materials...

Why do you pick and choose what is a sin, especially as there are more well defined biblical commands which are pretty much universally ignored!

Its not vague at all... 1 Cor. 6:9. The other things you mentioned are in the OT and not mentioned in the NT. Homosexuality is addressed in both the OT and NT.

[Backglass]

All definitions fro the words in my above post were taken from dictionary.com. You may have a problem with them.

Wrong jay, you chose to input the wrong word as usual to spin things in the direction you prefer..

Allow me to play "Jay" and lets take a closer look at this word "homoPHOBIA", all from Dictionary.com, your favorite site!

• Dictionary.com
  
  ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hō'mə-fō'bē-ə) – noun
  
  1. Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
• American Heritage Dictionary
  
  ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hō'mə-fō'bē-ə) n.
  
  1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
  2. Behavior based on such a feeling.
• Worldnet Dictionary
  
  homophobia - noun
  
  1. prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality
• Merriam Webster Medical Dictionary
  
  ho·mo·pho·bia - noun
  
  1. Irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

There may be some that actually do "fear" gays but the vast majority are just plain opposed to the lifestyle.

Bullshit. My lifestyle is beer brewing. Why are there no pickets and angry mobs and KILLINGS because of my lifestyle choice? Because you don't fear it. If it is just a simple private lifestyle, WHY are you opposed to it in the first place? Why do you even care what people do in the privacy of there own home?

Fear. Homophobia.

[jay_a2j]

All definitions fro the words in my above post were taken from dictionary.com. You may have a problem with them.

Wrong jay, you chose to input the wrong word as usual to spin things in the direction you prefer..

Allow me to play "Jay" and lets take a closer look at this word "homoPHOBIA", all from Dictionary.com, your favorite site!

• Dictionary.com
  
  ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hō'mə-fō'bē-ə) – noun
  
  1. Unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
• American Heritage Dictionary
  
  ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hō'mə-fō'bē-ə) n.
  
  1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
  2. Behavior based on such a feeling.
• Worldnet Dictionary
  
  homophobia - noun
  
  1. prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality
• Merriam Webster Medical Dictionary
  
  ho·mo·pho·bia - noun
  
  1. Irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

There may be some that actually do "fear" gays but the vast majority are just plain opposed to the lifestyle.

Bullshit. My lifestyle is beer brewing. Why are there no pickets and angry mobs and KILLINGS because of my lifestyle choice? Because you don't fear it. If it is just a simple private lifestyle, WHY are you opposed to it in the first place? Why do you even care what people do in the privacy of there own home?

Fear.

Hmmm "HOMOPHOBIA" was not one of the words in my post. I broke the word down to find its meaning. Homophobia, as far as I know, is a relatively new word.... much like "phat" or "bounce"(ie. I gotta bounce) It is a made up term taken from other words. Which is why I dissected the word.


Not FEAR but OPPOSITION.

[XenHu]

backglass needs to read the above post.

Awww Jay, you always break things down and selectively choose the definition that makes you feel good. Why did you choose "Averse" over the primary definition "Fears"? Phobias are phobias and the standard psychiatric definition of any phobia is fear.

You fear gays...admit it! If a gay couple moved in next door to your home, you would freak out and wouldn't let your kids play in the yard unattended.

Question: How many gay friends/associates do you have?

QFE.

-X

[heavycola]

Jay you usually seem to be eager to pin things on scripture, yet homosexuality is one of the most vague sins of all... Pretty much any reference to specific condemnation of homosexuality can be disputed when we look at the original Hebrew translation. You do, however, ignore perhaps more concrete laws such as eating pork, wearing clothing of two materials...

Why do you pick and choose what is a sin, especially as there are more well defined biblical commands which are pretty much universally ignored!

Its not vague at all... 1 Cor. 6:9. The other things you mentioned are in the OT and not mentioned in the NT. Homosexuality is addressed in both the OT and NT.

So you can ignore the stuff in the OT?

[jay_a2j]

Jay you usually seem to be eager to pin things on scripture, yet homosexuality is one of the most vague sins of all... Pretty much any reference to specific condemnation of homosexuality can be disputed when we look at the original Hebrew translation. You do, however, ignore perhaps more concrete laws such as eating pork, wearing clothing of two materials...

Why do you pick and choose what is a sin, especially as there are more well defined biblical commands which are pretty much universally ignored!

Its not vague at all... 1 Cor. 6:9. The other things you mentioned are in the OT and not mentioned in the NT. Homosexuality is addressed in both the OT and NT.

So you can ignore the stuff in the OT?

You just want me to stop eating pork!

[Balsiefen]

Jay you usually seem to be eager to pin things on scripture, yet homosexuality is one of the most vague sins of all... Pretty much any reference to specific condemnation of homosexuality can be disputed when we look at the original Hebrew translation. You do, however, ignore perhaps more concrete laws such as eating pork, wearing clothing of two materials...

Why do you pick and choose what is a sin, especially as there are more well defined biblical commands which are pretty much universally ignored!

Its not vague at all... 1 Cor. 6:9. The other things you mentioned are in the OT and not mentioned in the NT. Homosexuality is addressed in both the OT and NT.

So you can ignore the stuff in the OT?

You just want me to stop eating pork!

but many of your arguments are based on the OT in other threads

[jay_a2j]

but many of your arguments are based on the OT in other threads

like?

[nmhunate]

I think that it is silly to call homosexual sex a sin... The Roman Gods them selves have had homosexual relationships, and if a god can do it why can't regular people? Plus the Flying Spaghetti Monster in his second I'd rather you didn't says:

I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others.
I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.

I interpret this to mean that we shouldn't call homosexual sex a sin. People should not use his Noodly Goodness as a means to call what other people do a sin. What is a homosexual, if not someone who engages in gay sex? How would you like to be married to someone and not be allowed to express your love in a physical way?