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Re: How much PC is too much PC?

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john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:you tell people that you're offended by something so they know how you feel about it.

it's just offering your opinion like anything else

nothing wrong with that
Unfortunately, some people get offended when others say they've been offended. Others will be offended by that in turn.

What makes the distinction is when people deliberately cause offence to other people, knowing that those people will be hurt and for their own personal amusement.

No social point is advanced, no personal freedom gained. Civility is sacrificied. If you know you're offending someone deeply, it shouldn't be the burden on their part to have to tell you when to stop given that you already know what you're doing to offend them.
that's the point of telling them that they are offending you. if they continue, then they are probably a cocky british douche like fry who doesn't care about the feelings of others.

there is a HUGE difference between offending someone and not being politically correct. PC is societal, impersonal, and sometimes infringes on free speech. offense is personal and done with malice.
But, as you know, this isn't simply a case of a conversation between two people. It's a bit bigger. Most things I've come across involving PC seem to be related to a work environment, or to a larger culture. That's where it gets tricky. Offending someone can well be societal, especially in a small culture like an office environment.

As the link I posted above pointed out, it can also be part of a culture of discrimination based on difference. I don't think that offense has to be personal, and in the case of wide discrimination, is almost certainly not.

It wouldn't be reasonable to call a Jewish guy a "Kike" and then back off and say that it wasn't personal, it's simply what you call all Jewish people that, and you didn't mean any malice. People would wonder why apply that word, knowing it to be derogatory, to all Jewish people.
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Re: How much PC is too much PC?

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I try to never offend people, #1 because I don't like to be offended and I know how it feels. However if you deserve it or if you need some tough love, better watch your azz cuz I'm gonna make ya cry! :evil:
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Phatscotty wrote:I try to never offend people, #1 because I don't like to be offended and I know how it feels. However if you deserve it or if you need some tough love, better watch your azz cuz I'm gonna make ya cry! :evil:
How can you decide who deserves it without relying on personal prejudices?
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Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I try to never offend people, #1 because I don't like to be offended and I know how it feels. However if you deserve it or if you need some tough love, better watch your azz cuz I'm gonna make ya cry! :evil:
How can you decide who deserves it without relying on personal prejudices?

How does anyone? You offend me all the time! How did you decide?

what is wrong with personal prejudices? What else are you supposed to use to make a decision?

Let's take a recent example from the forum. My/your brother is beating the crap out of his girlfriend. How do we decide to get involved? at least to the point of talking to them? and if that doesn't work, offending them and calling them a lowlife or a coward? How do you decide to put up your dukes to defend his girlfriend when it happens right in front of you? Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
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guys but more importantly, im getting a mac for christmas so goodbye pc
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Phatscotty wrote:Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
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john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
You're right! The women could be 250 pounds, full of muscle, and 'roid raging.
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BigBallinStalin wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
You're right! The women could be 250 pounds, full of muscle, and 'roid raging.
Not in my experience.
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Re: How much PC is too much PC?

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Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
You're right! The women could be 250 pounds, full of muscle, and 'roid raging.
Not in my experience.
Don't get me wrong. On the other hand, never let a woman know that you won't hit her.

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Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
You're right! The women could be 250 pounds, full of muscle, and 'roid raging.
Not in my experience.
How narrow minded of you, not to see beyond your own experiences.
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Re: How much PC is too much PC?

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Mr_Adams wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Because you(I hope)/I have decided that hitting a woman is wrong.
what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
You're right! The women could be 250 pounds, full of muscle, and 'roid raging.
Not in my experience.
How narrow minded of you, not to see beyond your own experiences.
Care to share?
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Re: How much PC is too much PC?

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Army of GOD wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Personally, I've always liked this short comment by Stewart Lee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYx4Bc6_eE
Wait, did he say the media was controlled by the right? I thought it was the other way around.
You mean the right is controlled by the media?
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Re: How much PC is too much PC?

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Symmetry wrote:
Mr_Adams wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
john9blue wrote: what a sexist, overly simplistic worldview.

no i'm not trolling.
You're right! The women could be 250 pounds, full of muscle, and 'roid raging.
Not in my experience.
How narrow minded of you, not to see beyond your own experiences.
Care to share?
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