Senate Map [Quenched]

dominationnation · Post by **dominationnation** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:55 am

Great gameplay. now that I play it though I think that the podium should have a greater bonus because it is so key to the game

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:02 am

dominationnation wrote:Great gameplay. now that I play it though I think that the podium should have a greater bonus because it is so key to the game

lol noooo way. if anything should have a lesser bonus cuz its only got 3 borders.

anamainiacks · Post by **anamainiacks** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:03 am

The bonuses are rather wonky aren't they... some continents are getting more than they should. Currently the statistics stand at:

Continent - No. of Territories/No. of Countries to Defend : Current Bonus
Democrats - 14/4 : 7
Republicans - 14/4 : 7
Print Media - 6/3 : 3
TV Media - 6/3 : 3
Liberal Lobby - 8/3 : 4
Conservative Lobby - 8/3 : 4
Podium - 9/3 : 6

First of all I think bonus for Podium is too much. The only difference between the lobbies and Podium is 1 territory, and yet there is 2 more bonus for Podium. Even the Medias have 2 less than the Lobbies, and are getting 1 less than the Lobbies. Perhaps Podium should be reduced to bonus 5?

Also, the current bonus for the Parties are only 1 more than the Podium. Considering that there are 5 more territories and 1 more country to defend, the difference in bonus should be larger. Also considering the difference between the figures of the other continents and their bonuses, the gap between the Parties' bonus and the Podium's bonus should be definitely more than 1...

But in the end it's still up to the creater, so I'll leave it up to you.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:24 am

anamainiacks wrote:First of all I think bonus for Podium is too much. The only difference between the lobbies and Podium is 1 territory, and yet there is 2 more bonus for Podium. Even the Medias have 2 less than the Lobbies, and are getting 1 less than the Lobbies. Perhaps Podium should be reduced to bonus 5?

agreed

sully800 · Post by **sully800** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:41 pm

anamainiacks wrote:The bonuses are rather wonky aren't they... some continents are getting more than they should. Currently the statistics stand at:

Continent - No. of Territories/No. of Countries to Defend : Current Bonus
Democrats - 14/4 : 7
Republicans - 14/4 : 7
Print Media - 6/3 : 3
TV Media - 6/3 : 3
Liberal Lobby - 8/3 : 4
Conservative Lobby - 8/3 : 4
Podium - 9/3 : 6

First of all I think bonus for Podium is too much. The only difference between the lobbies and Podium is 1 territory, and yet there is 2 more bonus for Podium. Even the Medias have 2 less than the Lobbies, and are getting 1 less than the Lobbies. Perhaps Podium should be reduced to bonus 5?

Also, the current bonus for the Parties are only 1 more than the Podium. Considering that there are 5 more territories and 1 more country to defend, the difference in bonus should be larger. Also considering the difference between the figures of the other continents and their bonuses, the gap between the Parties' bonus and the Podium's bonus should be definitely more than 1...

But in the end it's still up to the creater, so I'll leave it up to you.

I think the idea is that the podium SHOULD be more important. It's more central to the map than other areas and in real life it commands more power. So the same is true for the map. You just have to treat someone with the podium as more of a threat than people with other continents.

anamainiacks · Post by **anamainiacks** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:57 pm

sully800 wrote:I think the idea is that the podium SHOULD be more important. It's more central to the map than other areas and in real life it commands more power. So the same is true for the map. You just have to treat someone with the podium as more of a threat than people with other continents.

Yes, I know that in real life the Podium is more important. But this isn't real life and if all maps did follow real life, Chinese Checkers map would also allow people to attack territories 2 spaces away in a straight line to imitate the 'jumping' movements, but it doesn't, because it does not abide to the rules of real life chinese checkers. Likewise, why should this map abide to the superiority which is present in real life?

I wouldn't really consider the podium as the central area of the map...especially since the 2 parties seem to be as close to the center as the podium is. In fact, the rough center of the map is where S. Floor, Tom and Ron all meet, so they share the central area.

Also, if the podium was supposed to be a continent where the holder is threatening, the bonus would be even larger.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:40 am

because that is what makes the gameplay interesting, if everywhere had 'perfect' bonuses there would be no interret but as people are scrapping for the podium as it is important it makes the map more interesting, not every map is a classic map.

anamainiacks · Post by **anamainiacks** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:18 am

My point is that the bonus should be fair and proportionate. Yes, people would be scrambling for the podium, but one has to consider that in the game, not everyone can go for the podium. So if that single territory has more bonus and is easier to get, but the player can't get it for the simple reason that he has no territories there, he's gonna lose out.

Jafnhár · Post by **Jafnhár** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:32 am

Is not "Fundamentalist" supposed to be "Fundamentalism"? Fundamentalist is one that holds that philosophy, but fundamentalism is the philosophy as a whole.

Zorg_rsk · Post by **Zorg_rsk** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:14 am

@ the comment about the podium:

Looking at it statisticaly, yes it probably should be reduced. However youre not taking into account that it is central in the map, and is in many ways a bad place to take as you'll get wedged between other players. Continents in corners are better than those in the middle. I think the bonus is therefore quite fair.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:23 am

Both or even just one side of the house and the podium together is godlike, the number of territories you have to defend barely goes up.

Jafnhár · Post by **Jafnhár** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:31 am

Jafnhár wrote:Is not "Fundamentalist" supposed to be "Fundamentalism"? Fundamentalist is one that holds that philosophy, but fundamentalism is the philosophy as a whole.

Jafnhár · Post by **Jafnhár** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:59 am

Jafnhár wrote:
Jafnhár wrote:Is not "Fundamentalist" supposed to be "Fundamentalism"? Fundamentalist is one that holds that philosophy, but fundamentalism is the philosophy as a whole.

....................

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:32 am

It says Pete can border Mary. I didn't have a path connecting them, but I could still fortify there. Then I checked the XML, and it says you can attack Pete to Mary. They clearly do not border.

Game Number: 351049
I have Mary and Pete.
Rynn has Lola.
Sean21us has Tim.
Last Stand has ABC.
Sean21us has Jane.

So how could I have fortified there if Pete is surrounded by opponents?

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:51 am

XML error in Suggestions/Bug Reports.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:04 am

the new xml would be:

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boberz · Post by **boberz** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:48 am

oo i wonder if anybody reads that

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:54 am

you don't have to read it

it is just the old xml code and i changed the borders of those 2 countrys

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:11 am

i know i was just wondering if anybody did

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:37 pm

So will this be changed?

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:37 pm

i think it will be

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:05 pm

If one of the mods notice it.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:21 pm

Gilligan wrote:If one of the mods notice it.

It's up to Fitz to send the new XML to lack as far as I know.

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:25 pm

Lack just can't edit it from the page?

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:27 pm

Gilligan wrote:Lack just can't edit it from the page?

I'm sure lack has more important things to do than browse the foundry for an XML fix.

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