Stool Pigeon Mafia - Game Over! Mafia Win!!! MVP- Zimmah

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Sully time to find out what we really had here. Remember my words earlier townies and who I have had my "eye" on. As Meatloaf says "Two out of three aint "bad" as far as I know.

[thehippo8]

Vote Sully time to find out what we really had here. Remember my words earlier townies and who I have had my "eye" on. As Meatloaf says "Two out of three aint "bad" as far as I know.

Strange you would say that ... he's one out of three for me too ... hmmm ... wonder what that means?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

He's not someone that I have my "eye" on, but he's acted scummy enough to justify a lynch since I doubt a game of this size would have a Lone Ranger as the entire bad side.

[VioIet]

We're 21. He's said that repeatedly at all vote counts. I don't know why you thought differently...

Agreed, but to be fair, it does show 22 players on the first page as being in the game.

I believe that Vio stopped counting Jen as a player so she dropped the number of players to 21. Theoretically, Jen could magically appear again and then you'd need 12 votes to lynch. So I leave this up to Vio, as it's her game and she's in charge.

Until she declares it to be night, you may continue to discuss the game.

OMG! I can't believe I didn't realize this until now. There are currently 22 players in the game.

What happened was- we originally started with 22. I mod-killed davedbates, so I took the number down to 21. However I soon received two replacements, which brought the number back up to 22- but I forgot to change that in the vote count.

So it takes 12 to lynch Sully. I apologize for the delay and confusion.

Also, sensfan will replace jensbroness. I'm just waiting to hear a response from him.

I have sent dazey a prod, which she responded to. She should be posting here shortly.

[safariguy5]

We're 21. He's said that repeatedly at all vote counts. I don't know why you thought differently...

Agreed, but to be fair, it does show 22 players on the first page as being in the game.

I believe that Vio stopped counting Jen as a player so she dropped the number of players to 21. Theoretically, Jen could magically appear again and then you'd need 12 votes to lynch. So I leave this up to Vio, as it's her game and she's in charge.

Until she declares it to be night, you may continue to discuss the game.

OMG! I can't believe I didn't realize this until now. There are currently 22 players in the game.

What happened was- we originally started with 22. I mod-killed davedbates, so I took the number down to 21. However I soon received two replacements, which brought the number back up to 22- but I forgot to change that in the vote count.

So it takes 12 to lynch Sully. I apologize for the delay and confusion.

Also, sensfan will replace jensbroness. I'm just waiting to hear a response from him.

I have sent dazey a prod, which she responded to. She should be posting here shortly.

LSU also voted Sully, I'll post an updated vote count, but that's a lynch.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

hippo(2)- shield, terrafutan

zimmah- pancake

Sully (12)- hippo, zimmah, Mob, dazza, wildwilliam, Fox, trini, eldario, chap, conozo, edoc, LSU


With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Sully has been lynched.

[sensfan]

I confirm in the midst of Sully's passing! I am replacing JenBroness.

[VioIet]

Sorry, but the scenes in Pigeon Mafia aren't normally elaborate. Maybe I will think of something more to say later.


But Basically, all of the vanilla townies, as well as the fake vanilla townies and the disguised vanilla townies all gathered in the middle of the city to discuss who could be the mafia amongst them.
One particular citizen seemed to mysteriously disappear and reappear throughout the day.

The aroused the VT's suspicions, and they all decided to lynch him.


Victor Sullivan has been lynched.

Unfortunately, a search of his body proved fruitless. They have no way of knowing whether he was a true vanilla townie, mafia, or someone with top secret information.

Everyone walked away disappointed, not knowing if they made the right decision. However, amongst the 21 people that were left remaining, only one was aware of Victor's true role.

Night 1 Begin

Please send in your actions.

[safariguy5]

Send them to Vio, I'm sure she can handle all the night actions herself. No need to add me to the PM.

[VioIet]

The "Vanilla townies" wake up in the morning to find two people dead.

Zimmah - ?????? has died.


LSU Tiger Josh- ????? has died.

Some in the crowd, knew the identity of one or both of these people. But to most, it remains a mystery.

Day 2 Begin

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

[edocsil]

So, LSU killed by scum is my guess.

At least 2 killers. I think because of LSUs hints it is 2 cells of mafia, 3 each. There are no Town Vigs, so all kills are scum. It could be a sk and a mafia, but for metagame reasons I think 2 scum factions are more likely. (SanFran mafia) Also there is the mention of 6 scum in the OP, however not directly related to this game. Anyhow just my thoughts on that matter, it doesn't have any significance yet.

As it stands we need information. We have no idea what the role were of the dead besides the fact that LSU was a Informant. I do not believe that Victor was town, due to the fact that only one other player knew him. All townies are VT, so that rules out masons and the like, and I don't believe that Informants have info on the Townies. This leave Victor as third party or scum.

I have no opinion on Zimmah's allegiance. Odds are he was town unfortunately.

So any suspicions and vendettas anyone wants to bring out into the light of the new day?

[skillfusniper33]

The LSU death wasn't surprising to me at all after his major clue as to who the scum players were.

Town Vig or a SK would be interesting to have in this game, the vig I think is out the door since I wouldn't qualify them as an anti-town roll, and if there is a vig, they seem a bit over-eager. The two mafia fractions would be an interesting twist to the game.

I disagree with you on Victor not being town though edoc, I think he was a VT. Especially since he didn't try to create a very strong case to protect himself, If I were in Victors place, and scum I would have tried to pull something off to save my life, instead of just letting yourself die so early on.

I have a feeling zimmah wasn't town, or at least a vanilla, he could have been an informant of some kind. I do have very strong feelings that Hippo isn't telling us the truth, and if he is scum he could have targeted zimmah since he couldn't get everyone to lynch him.

As for the layout, I would think that it is totally plausible to have 6 scum, with 1 pigeon to know who each of them are, 1 pigeon to know who all the true VT, then finally 1 pigeon to know all possible 3rd party roles. This could be slightly altered if there are 2 fractions, and 1 pigeon for each, which would bring us very close to our total of 22 players.

I am working on LSU's hint and removing the people who were killed, as well as all the odd, and even number combinations since he said they weren't all one, and will post the results once I get everything removed

[skillfusniper33]

Sets Remaining

22   17   2
22   15   4
22   14   5
22   12   7
22   11   8
22   10   9
21   16   4
21   12   8
20   17   4
20   16   5
20   14   7
20   13   8
20   12   9
20   11   10
19   17   5
19   14   8
19   12   10
17   16   8
17   15   9
17   14   10
17   13   11
16   15   10
16   14   11
16   13   12
15   14   12

Sets of numbers Removed

22   18   1
22   16   3
22   13   6
21   18   2
21   17   3
21   14   6
20   18   3
20   15   6
19   18   4
19   16   6
18   17   6
18   16   7
18   15   8
18   14   9
18   13   10
18   12   11

21   15   5 - ODD
21   13   7 - ODD
21   11   9 - ODD
19   15   7 - ODD
19   13   9 - ODD
17   15   9 - ODD
17   13   11 - ODD

List of players and their respective numbers

1 edocsil - REMOVED BY DEFAULT, BECAUSE HE ONLY HAD 1 SPACE
2 Nag
3 Victor - REMOVED
4 PCM
5 Fox
6 LSU Tiger - REMOVED
7 Irish Tiger
8 Trinicardinal
9 terrafutan
10 chapcrap
11 skillfusipe
12 WildWill
13 dazza
14 conzocool
15 mob deadly
16 SG7
17 JenBroness
18 Zimmah - REMOVED
19 ShaggyDan
20 DazeRazer
21 thehippo
22 eldario

[edocsil]

I am working on LSU's hint and removing the people who were killed, as well as all the odd, and even number combinations since he said they weren't all one, and will post the results once I get everything removed

Could you quote that line of his, I am afraid I don't quite follow your logic.

Also, all townies are vanilla with the exceptions of info for Informants and the Pigeon.

[thehippo8]

Sorry skillfusniper33 but you have made some errors.

Getting back to the original clue:

We have 3 players who's game numbers equal 41. Who they are, I cannot say by rule, but one of them will surely cause a death each day by choosing to make a dead dude. The numbers are not all even or all odd, but the person surely is odd. Heed my advice town because once I state this, I cannot interpret any answers.

This is not a way of finding scum, this is a way of finding the third-party killer.

The list can be refined further by removing sets with 3, 6, 18 or all odd numbers:

Sets Remaining

22 18 1
22 17 2
22 15 4
22 14 5
22 12 7
22 11 8
22 10 9
21 16 4
21 12 8
20 17 4
20 16 5
20 14 7
20 13 8
20 12 9
20 11 10
19 16 6
19 14 8
19 12 10
17 16 8
17 14 10
16 15 10
16 14 11
16 13 12
15 14 12

Also the person must be odd, which leaves us:

List of players and their respective numbers

1 edocsil
5 Fox
7 Irish Tiger
9 terrafutan
11 skillfusipe
13 dazza
15 mob deadly
17 JenBroness (replaced by sensefan)
19 ShaggyDan
21 thehippo

[/quote]

Now thinking about these people more carefully: based on previous quotes, I reckon we can cross out edoc, fox, terrafutan, skill, dazza, mob and me. That leaves Irish Tiger, Sensefan and Shaggy. Of those, Irish and Shaggy are submarining (no posts) but it is Sense that I am most curious about. As I posted earlier (which Vio acknowledged), usually Vio would leave a silent player to be lynched rather than replaced. With Victor gone and me putting pressure on this character (formerly Jens) I reckon that Vio is keen to keep this character alive. I believe they must be the killer.

Accordingly unvote vote Sensefan!

[skillfusniper33]

We have 3 players who's game numbers equal 41. Who they are, I cannot say by rule, but one of them will surely cause a death each day by choosing to make a dead dude. The numbers are not all even or all odd, but the person surely is odd. Heed my advice town because once I state this, I cannot interpret any answers.

Here you go edoc, the entire clue again. I bolded the part where I think you are confused

[skillfusniper33]

And Hippo can you please point out my errors, and your logic behind why the player would be a 3rd party killer?

I do buy your logic for replacing Jens if he was a 3rd party killer, but just not sure how you could possibly conclude to that, and not consider the possibility of 2 Fractions. Now the chances of having 2 fractions is probably smaller than the probability of having a 3rd party killer.

[thehippo8]

And Hippo can you please point out my errors, and your logic behind why the player would be a 3rd party killer?

I do buy your logic for replacing Jens if he was a 3rd party killer, but just not sure how you could possibly conclude to that, and not consider the possibility of 2 Fractions. Now the chances of having 2 fractions is probably smaller than the probability of having a 3rd party killer.

Hi Skill ... only three errors of note. Your first error was in thinking that the clue had anything to do with finding mafia. I made the same mistake when I first saw the clue, but after night one it is clear that is wrong. The second error was in your list, you had missed off the first item (not sure why) and then kept in a couple of all odd numbered sets, no big deal there. The third error was omitting edoc in the list (again not sure why you did that).

At any rate, we are all on the same page now.

As to my reasoning, I went back and looked at all the posts to date. I looked at the nature of the posts as well as whether there were actually posts. I was satisfied that all but the three I mentioned were not acting (IMHO) scummy. It was imperative that the 3rd party killer role be replaced before the day could end, and vio was just in time with that. Hope that helps!

[terrafutan]

I am going to agree with Hippo on this one, not that I understand the math been used, but I think LSU was one of/the informant and was pointing out a 3rd party killer.

This quote in particular points to an SK

but one of them will surely cause a death each day by choosing to make a dead dude

I'm still on the fence about his vote though, but it does sound logical.

[shieldgenerator7]

Er... it's frustrating not knowing who these people were. Town is losing so much info based on that, and althought we can guess what they are logically, it's still not 100% sure as the mod telling us their roles.

Anyway, I see a change to the list has been made. Alright! I agree with hippo8 that it seems the mod has given special attention to Jen's role, but it also seems that she starts from the top of her "to replace" list and works down, and sensfan was just the next on the list. I don't think he's done anything scummy so far, but I'll keep my eye on him.

But for now, there is something I want to test. VOTE DAZERAZER

Back in mah' day, we didn't have no lists, we had ta' memorize everythang...

-SG7 ( )

[edocsil]

I am going to agree with Hippo on this one, not that I understand the math been used, but I think LSU was one of/the informant and was pointing out a 3rd party killer.

This quote in particular points to an SK

but one of them will surely cause a death each day by choosing to make a dead dude

I'm still on the fence about his vote though, but it does sound logical.

It seams to point out a sk because it points out one doing the killing, this however could just as easily be a godfather. It wouldn't be a GF with any powers, but it could be the particular scummate directing the kill. This does give weight to the argument of scum and SK vs 2 scum sets however.

And Skillfusion, thanks for pointing out that line, I didn't understand what it meant before.

[skillfusniper33]

The reason why I had omitted Edoc was because as you said we had to remove numbers 3, 6, and 18. This first set on your list is 22, 18, 1. Which would remove edoc from the list entirely, since that is the only combination that would allow for him to reach a total of 41.

I must have just missed the completely odd sets of numbers then.

[FoxMists]

Bloody hell!!! TWO groups?!?! Or the SK... That working LSU gave us for the hint does rather sound like an SK. I hadn't picked that up either. Ugh.. complications..

While I admit that Vio's push to keep Jens was a bit odd, I'm not so sure Sens is anything special... but then... I don't know... there is a little bit of suspicion there. It's a strong argument regardless. Okay, I'm clearly too tired and indecisive right now, so I'll get to the point of posting at all...

Submariners?? Where are you!? Irish?? Shaggy!? Seriously... your inactivity is creepy and scummy and such. Wake up!

Geez two killing parties... time to make sure you go out with a buddy..

[wildwilliam]

The list can be refined further by removing sets with 3, 6, 18 or all odd numbers:

I am not sure I get this completely, I get the all odd numbers, and I know these people are dead (3,6,18), but why are ALL sets containing these numbers removed?

18, 19, 4 = 41. just because 18 is gone, doesn't mean that 19 is not the guy we are looking for correct?


I could understand removing 3-6-18 (if it equaled 41) but not all combinations containing just one number.

[dazza2008]

The list can be refined further by removing sets with 3, 6, 18 or all odd numbers:

I am not sure I get this completely, I get the all odd numbers, and I know these people are dead (3,6,18), but why are ALL sets containing these numbers removed?

18, 19, 4 = 41. just because 18 is gone, doesn't mean that 19 is not the guy we are looking for correct?


I could understand removing 3-6-18 (if it equaled 41) but not all combinations containing just one number.

Good point. I am glad you noticed. I am just confused by the whole thing