Soundman's First Mafia [End] Arsonist Wins!!

[soundman]

can i ask a noob question do scum know each other from day 1 or after night 1

Generally the mafia are told who the other mafia are in their role PM (Thus they know Day 1). This is not always the case in all games but usually that's how it is.

[codierose]

cool thanks
did rodion jumped in with VS on a speed lynch back in day one on sheild but changed his vote at last minute to vote for VS now did he do that to take suspicion away from him knowing that VS was going to get lynched with or without his vote. im to much of a noob to point a rodion can anyone back me up on this.
regarding Mod was he not the first to vote for VS

[TheGeneral2112]

We could instead focus on the fact that chap just defended edoc in saying he doesn't have to claim. Or the fact that edoc is not making a good case against mob...

[edocsil]

We could instead focus on the fact that chap just defended edoc in saying he doesn't have to claim. Or the fact that edoc is not making a good case against mob...

What you are asking me two quote is unrealistic and is referencing other games. It is not applicable, and I am the only person to have made a serious case today so lets not start complaining about my casemaking abilities.

Also chap is stating a fact the same as I am. That isn't what we do to replacements here. usAir simply left the site, he didn't do anything scummy. If he had dropped legitimate tells a case could be made against me, but he did not. He simply left every game he was in.

[chapcrap]

cool thanks
did rodion jumped in with VS on a speed lynch back in day one on sheild but changed his vote at last minute to vote for VS now did he do that to take suspicion away from him knowing that VS was going to get lynched with or without his vote. im to much of a noob to point a rodion can anyone back me up on this.
regarding Mod was he not the first to vote for VS

That might be very perceptive codie. I'm going to go back and take a look at activity surrounding the VS lynch on day one.

We could instead focus on the fact that chap just defended edoc in saying he doesn't have to claim. Or the fact that edoc is not making a good case against mob...

I didn't defend edoc, I rebuffed you. On what grounds do you think edoc is scummy? On the grounds that the person before him was inactive? You haven't made a case against him and you are the only vote on him. Clearly, you are the one with issues making a case.

[codierose]

im going with my noob gut feeling vote robion also we have had 2 nights has anybody not picked up anything about them i think zim did say he heard screams did he look out the window like a nosey neighbour ?

[chapcrap]

im going with my noob gut feeling vote robion also we have had 2 nights has anybody not picked up anything about them i think zim did say he heard screams did he look out the window like a nosey neighbour ?

I went back and checked what happened on Day 1. Here's the rundown:

We were coming down on a deadline and general and VS were arguing with each other and general let VS have it. In my estimation, general fell into a lucky lynch because of the differences in how mafia is played on this site versus what he used to. However, that mostly cleared him of being scum. Rodion basically did nothing all day 1 and came in for the hammer on VS. I don't think that necessarily makes him scummy, but I would have definitely jumped on that bandwagon if I was scum once it was clear he would be lynched.

Rodion has also been pretty quiet in this game which doesn't usually happen. So, I will unvote vote Rodion.

[thehippo8]

Travelling back home now so will finally have a good internet connection next week. Without going into quotes or other details right now, I agree vote Rodion.

Once I am on terra firma properly I will go into details as to my thoughts. But that's all I can do for now.

[thehippo8]

Travelling back home now so will finally have a good internet connection next week. Without going into quotes or other details right now, I agree vote Rodion.

Once I am on terra firma properly I will go into details as to my thoughts. But that's all I can do for now.

[thehippo8]

Sorry about the double up - internet is so shaky I thought the first one hadn't gone through!!

[soundman]

Vote Count:

Rodion - Codierose, Chap, Hippo - (L3)
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly - Edocsil, Zimmah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Codierose -
Chapcrap -
Crazymilkshake5 -
Edocsil - General - (L5)
thehippo8 -
TheGeneral2112 -

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday, Jan. 13th

[chapcrap]

Vote Count:

Rodion - Codierose, Chap, Hippo - (L3)
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly - Edocsil, Zimmah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Codierose -
Chapcrap -
Crazymilkshake5 -
Edocsil - General - (L5)
thehippo8 -
TheGeneral2112 -

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday, Jan. 13th

I really thought zimmah unvoted, didn't he?

[Rodion]

cool thanks did rodion jumped in with VS on a speed lynch back in day one on sheild but changed his vote at last minute to vote for VS now did he do that to take suspicion away from him knowing that VS was going to get lynched with or without his vote. im to much of a noob to point a rodion can anyone back me up on this.
regarding Mod was he not the first to vote for VS

The idea that I tried to speedlynch Shield is ludicrous. I did cast a jokevote on him, but that was it. He never came close to being speedlynched.

Rodion - Codierose (noob gut feeling), Chap (hammered the GF and is pretty quiet), Hippo (I'll tell the reasons later)

This wagon reeks of incompetence and/or scuminess.

@Chap (and Mob, if he is interested) - in case that was not clear from the conversations we had in Official Nightmare Before Christmas Mafia about Soundman's, I'm posting less in this game because I have lost a good portion of interest due to the sheer incompetence of my town colleagues (yes, I am talking about the watcher/doctor fiasco - when I tell power roles what to do, I'm scummy for directing power roles; when I don't say anything, the clusterfuck that is this game occurs and town fails in a textbook kind of way). That said, if I read something that screams scum to me I'll post, but don't expect me to actively engage in discussions in this game as I do in any other.

[chapcrap]

Yeah, it sucked that the town was stupid yesterday. Me included. That's no excuse. If you don't want to post and help, then ask for a replacement.

[soundman]

Vote Count:

Rodion - Codierose, Chap, Hippo - (L3)
Zimmah -
Mob Deadly - Edocsil, Zimmah - (L4)
Mr. Squirrel -
Codierose -
Chapcrap -
Crazymilkshake5 -
Edocsil - General - (L5)
thehippo8 -
TheGeneral2112 -

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday, Jan. 13th

I really thought zimmah unvoted, didn't he?

Nope. It's still on Mob.

[soundman]

The townspeople started off strong. But disscusion quickly disappeared. Only toward the end of the day did they start pointing fingers again but still nothing really caught anyone's attention.

Night 3 begin! Send in your night actions please!

[codierose]

zzzzzzz! prod ZZZZZZZZZ

[thehippo8]

Okay, back on terra firma and the first thing I have do do is to apologise to Rodion. I must have been very tired. I meant to vote for Mr Squirrel. I said I would give a fuller explanation when I returned and although I'm probably too tired to think properly I must correct this error immediately. Many apologies to one and all for any confusion. My explanation as to why I vote for Mr Sauirrel has a lot to do with the initial interaction with Rodion, his feeble attempt to joke his way out of that and the fact that everyone forgot all about this.

First things first unvote vote Mr Squirrel

So, back to my explanation ... and harkening back to Rodion's request at page 24 that explanations be as thorough as possible ...

1. Back on day one in the jokevote stage, Rodion voted Mr Suirrel for being a "Bulletproof roussian roullete player". Mr Squirrel votes Rodion right back (jokevoting) but adds "It was the claim I was given. Not totally my fault". This is weasel talk and I suggest that Mr Squirrel is being a sinner (albeit I used the rather convoluted simile of disestablishmentarianism - come on it was the jokevoting stage). Anyways, Shield suggested that Rodion was scum in all his games and that he should be hammered for being at L-1 (he wasn't it was an error by Soundman which he later fixed) but his vote didn't count as he didn't unvote and didn't bold. Meanwhile Mr Squirrel's vote remained. Rodion, nevertheless, softclaims that he is not scum in any of his current games and that Shiled should know that. It was a pressure vote intended to cause a backdown by Shield. Shield jokes "Rodion, you know better to tell about our mafia partnership in on going games" but that is clearly not what Rodion was saying and it seems to me that Shield was softclaiming that he was mafia in another game but I cannot see that it was anything related to this game as such. Conzo chirps in with "What he said. Besides, you're lying of course... You're always scum" alluding to Shield pulling his head in as he agrees with Rodion. Mr Squirrel's vote remained up to this point. I accept this is jokevote territory but it becomed more relevant as time goes on.
2. The next phase of discussion relates to Isiah40 and his underlined clue as to who he was. Mr Squirrel, page 10, immediately leaps on the 12 spaces and suggests "mafia doctor? *Gasp* 12!" and votes for Isaiah. There is of course no such thing (as far as I am aware) as a mafia doctor (at least not by that name) and this really moves away from jokevoting to goading and smearing. Isaiah was nonplussed and said "Hey!! I just pushed the underline until I felt like it was enough! I should vote Mr. Squirrel just because he took the time to count. Hmmmmm ... I'll have to think about that one. I'll get back with you on that one!". Note at this point Mr Squirrel is the first and only vote on Isaiah. Isaiah was so rattled he said "Now that I think about this, Mr. Squirrel must be town if he thinks I am mafia doctor and wants to lynch me! Thank you Mr. Squirrel for your confession!" which came accross like a scum confession but clearly Isaiah was being too clever by half (confused himself by trying to sound clever).
3. The next phase of the game was the unfortunate attack on TeeGee which I started due to him being too quiet but the roll went too quickly fueled of course by VS who was the Mafia Godfather. It is ntoeworthy that Mr Squirrel appears to be scathing of this bandwagon and FOS' everyone who played a part, but I can only suggest that Mr Squirrel had no reason to suppose such a bandwagon would go to lynch at that point - and it didn't. The extension of that phase to TeeGee's editing of his post also met with a similar kind word by Mr Squirrel. But in my view this is a logical reasonableness designed to instill trust in Mr Squirrel on a meaningless issue which should never rationally lead to a lynchy.
4. The next phase came with General's rough-as-guts manner and Sully adds to the vote which Mr Squirrel asks Sully to explain. But note there is no accusativeness in this or blaming Sully or Fosing or anything of the like. It is a way of Mr Squirrel, now having proved trustworthy, tag teaming his Mafia Boss to raise VS' credibility. Nice move, and seamlessly done, but clear as day when pointed out. Incidentally, I pointed out that VS was acting scummy at the time and he was ultimately lynched on day 1. Mr Squirrel's vote remains on Isaiah at this point.
5. Mr Squirrel adds nothing in the remainder of day 1 and on day 2 says he was hit on the head and has only 4 posts. Possibly true, possibly not. Again, having now lost his Mafia Boss he has no-one to tag-team with and cannot risk saying things without damaging hsi credibility. Easier to submarine!
6. We have to leap to page 21 before we hear from Mr Squirrel who uses one of his immensely valuable posts to say that Soundman is a good guy and dead people shouldn't talk. Very suspicious behaviour IMHO for someone who is being careful as to what they can say! Indeed, Mr Squirrel makes no other comment on day two at all and isn't involved in the vote (which at page 26 I mistackenly hammered and din't realise but wasn't the only one considering the subsequent posts and general confusion at the time).
7. Mr Squirrel is the first to post on day 3. He is still active at that poiint. He says "Looks like most of the town is still asleep. I'm gonna read back and see max's previous actions perhaps we can figure out why he was killed. Someone please post that we've got some info in the night." This is, IMHO, an attempt to try and recoup some credibility but also it a fishing exercise to thresh out the important town-folk. And here we are on page 35 with no further comment by Mr Squirrel!

Let me know if you have any questions or whether I have missed anything, but I reckon that 's a solid case. And again oops and sorry Rodion - happy holidays lol!!

[zimmah]

yo hippo, go to sleep.

[codierose]

zzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

[thehippo8]

oops ... sorry ... forgot it was night ... sleep tight

[edocsil]

oops ... sorry ... forgot it was night ... sleep tight

Lolzzzzz

[soundman]

A shot rang out. Sirens wailed in the distance. On the surface it seemed an almost uneventful night. But the pieces were still moving.

Day Four Start!

Deadline: Friday, Jan. 27th

[codierose]

unvote vote Mr. Squirrel lets get things moving

[Rodion]

unvote vote Mr. Squirrel lets get things moving

As happy as I am that you are not voting me anymore, I'm also disturbed by your sudden change. What made you change your mind? Was it Hippo's dream case? Do you agree with his case or do you just think Squirrel is a more "viable" target?

Also, I hate one-liners and everyone else should. Come on, newbie or not, you need to motivate your votes.

On an unrelated topic, who's today's 4-post/no vote fellow?