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An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
Definition of CAPITALISM
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
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The top of the site has a quote attributed to Ayn Rand:Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. The term capitalism is used here in the broader philosophical political sense, and not in the narrower economic sense, i.e. a free-market. The Capitalism Tour is the most popular feature of this site. The rest of The Capitalism Site assumes you are familiar with the material provided in the tour.
I mean going from "he who makes the most money gets to decide the system to "ruling principle is justics" is a VERY long stretch unless you get your morals from Machiavelli. Sadly, Machiavelli seems to dictate a LOT of business leaders today.. and worse, the couch it with a form of Christianity, at least for the "masses"."The moral justification for capitalism lies in the fact that it is consonant with a man's rational nature, that it protects mans survival qua man, and its ruling principle is justice"
" Capitalism is at once far too rational, trusting in nothing that it cannot weigh and measure, and far too little as well, accumulating wealth as an end in itself." —Terry Eagleton, Harper's, March 2005
OVERALL.. the definition is pretty basic, but the implementation and impacts are not necessarily. So, too many people try to therefore change the basic definition so they can slant their arguments to make their beliefs/ideas something supported by capitalism.Capitalism is an economic system that became dominant in the Western world following the demise of feudalism.[1] There is no consensus on the precise definition nor on how the term should be used as a historical category.[2] There is general agreement that elements of capitalism include private ownership of the means of production, creation of goods or services for profit or income, the accumulation of capital, competitive markets, voluntary exchange and wage labor.[3][4] The designation is applied to a variety of historical cases, varying in time, geography, politics and culture.[5]
Economists, political economists and historians have taken different perspectives on the analysis of capitalism. Economists usually emphasize the degree that government does not have control over markets (laissez faire), and on property rights.[6][7] Most political economists emphasize private property, power relations, wage labour, class and emphasize capitalism as a unique historical formation.[8] Capitalism is generally viewed as encouraging economic growth.[9] The extent to which different markets are free, as well as the rules defining private property, is a matter of politics and policy, and many states have what are termed mixed economies.[8] A number of political ideologies have emerged in support of various types of capitalism, the most prominent being economic liberalism.
come on, player. rand paul and ayn rand are two different people. they are not even the same gender.PLAYER57832 wrote:
NOW, go to this site that appears to be put up by Rand Paul supporters http://capitalism.org/ :
The top of the site has a quote attributed to Rand Paul: "The moral justification for capitalism lies in the fact that it is consonant with a man's rational nature, that it protects mans survival qua man, and its ruling principle is justice"Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. The term capitalism is used here in the broader philosophical political sense, and not in the narrower economic sense, i.e. a free-market. The Capitalism Tour is the most popular feature of this site. The rest of The Capitalism Site assumes you are familiar with the material provided in the tour.
I mean going from "he who makes the most money gets to decide the system to "ruling principle is justics" is a VERY long stretch unless you get your morals from Machiavelli.
don't tempt meBigBallinStalin wrote:
*For fun, ITT, I'll very likely assume all posts are sincere.
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Where is there a free market?Lootifer wrote:For me i [incorrectly?] seperate the free market and capitalism into the ideal and the actual.
The free market is the concept on which capitalism tries (and mostly fails) to achieve.
Capitalism is the half arsed implementation of the free market into todays society.
Well thats the way I look at it anyways.
Im generally pro-free market and anti-capitalism based on these definitions.
Specifics:
- The free market is the unregulated exchange of goods and services, with price and quantity signals set by the participants in said market
- Capitalism [for me] is the semi-regulated encumberant set of mechanisms we currently have for the exchange of good and services
I sort of think as the free market as uncorruptable since it's an ideal, where as capitalism is rife with corruption because its a pragmatic implementation of an ideal.
I dont know where im going with this...
Thank God Player isn't responsible for writing the dictionary. There aren't enough trees on the planet for that edition.PLAYER57832 wrote:lol
The problem here is that many political types, particularly the right wing, but also liberaterians are actively attempting to change the definition.
Start here, with 2 basic dictionary definitions:
from answer.com:n.
An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
From Merriam Webster:Definition of CAPITALISM
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
See capitalism defined for English-language learners »
See capitalism defined for kids »
NOW, go to this site that appears to be put up by Rand Paul supporters http://capitalism.org/ :
The top of the site has a quote attributed to Rand Paul: "The moral justification for capitalism lies in the fact that it is consonant with a man's rational nature, that it protects mans survival qua man, and its ruling principle is justice"Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. The term capitalism is used here in the broader philosophical political sense, and not in the narrower economic sense, i.e. a free-market. The Capitalism Tour is the most popular feature of this site. The rest of The Capitalism Site assumes you are familiar with the material provided in the tour.
I mean going from "he who makes the most money gets to decide the system to "ruling principle is justics" is a VERY long stretch unless you get your morals from Machiavelli.
Sadly, Machiavelli seems to dictate a LOT of business leaders today.. and worse, the couch it with a form of Christianity, at least for the "masses".
Contrast Rand Paul's quote with one from Terry Eagleton in Harper's (2005 -- cited below Webster's dictionary definition on the Webster site)." Capitalism is at once far too rational, trusting in nothing that it cannot weigh and measure, and far too little as well, accumulating wealth as an end in itself." —Terry Eagleton, Harper's, March 2005
Wikki does a good job of adding blurr:
[quoteCapitalism is an economic system that became dominant in the Western world following the demise of feudalism.[1] There is no consensus on the precise definition nor on how the term should be used as a historical category.[2] There is general agreement that elements of capitalism include private ownership of the means of production, creation of goods or services for profit or income, the accumulation of capital, competitive markets, voluntary exchange and wage labor.[3][4] The designation is applied to a variety of historical cases, varying in time, geography, politics and culture.[5]
Economists, political economists and historians have taken different perspectives on the analysis of capitalism. Economists usually emphasize the degree that government does not have control over markets (laissez faire), and on property rights.[6][7] Most political economists emphasize private property, power relations, wage labour, class and emphasize capitalism as a unique historical formation.[8] Capitalism is generally viewed as encouraging economic growth.[9] The extent to which different markets are free, as well as the rules defining private property, is a matter of politics and policy, and many states have what are termed mixed economies.[8] A number of political ideologies have emerged in support of various types of capitalism, the most prominent being economic liberalism.
OVERALL.. the definition is pretty basic, but the implementation and impacts are not necessarily. So, too many people try to therefore change the basic definition so they can slant their arguments to make their beliefs/ideas something supported by capitalism.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Thanks for the non-sequitor. I was hoping you'd show up and grace us with one...well done!Phatscotty wrote:lazy people and people who spend their money frivolously have a problem with any system in which hard work and saving money pays off and where the consequences of poor actions must be realized
<laughing> Indeed, that's certainly true. And yet, I did actually like her post there, long as it was.saxitoxin wrote:Thank God Player isn't responsible for writing the dictionary. There aren't enough trees on the planet for that edition.
Really?Phatscotty wrote:Where is there a free market?Lootifer wrote:For me i [incorrectly?] seperate the free market and capitalism into the ideal and the actual.
The free market is the concept on which capitalism tries (and mostly fails) to achieve.
Capitalism is the half arsed implementation of the free market into todays society.
Well thats the way I look at it anyways.
Im generally pro-free market and anti-capitalism based on these definitions.
Specifics:
- The free market is the unregulated exchange of goods and services, with price and quantity signals set by the participants in said market
- Capitalism [for me] is the semi-regulated encumberant set of mechanisms we currently have for the exchange of good and services
I sort of think as the free market as uncorruptable since it's an ideal, where as capitalism is rife with corruption because its a pragmatic implementation of an ideal.
I dont know where im going with this...
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And one that BBS has asked on multiple occasions...john9blue wrote:it's a legitimate question...
He just said it isn't anywhere due to it being an ideal which gets twisted by pragmatism, don't you people read?john9blue wrote:it's a legitimate question...

OOPS... yes, I misread it. I will correct it now.john9blue wrote:come on, player. rand paul and ayn rand are two different people. they are not even the same gender.PLAYER57832 wrote:
NOW, go to this site that appears to be put up by Rand Paul supporters http://capitalism.org/ :
The top of the site has a quote attributed to Rand Paul: "The moral justification for capitalism lies in the fact that it is consonant with a man's rational nature, that it protects mans survival qua man, and its ruling principle is justice"Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. The term capitalism is used here in the broader philosophical political sense, and not in the narrower economic sense, i.e. a free-market. The Capitalism Tour is the most popular feature of this site. The rest of The Capitalism Site assumes you are familiar with the material provided in the tour.
I mean going from "he who makes the most money gets to decide the system to "ruling principle is justics" is a VERY long stretch unless you get your morals from Machiavelli.
Yeah, that's why so many people object to having their water wells polluted, to having their wages cut (DESPITE good evaluations, etc.) so the upper escheleons and stock holders can take a few more pennies in their bonuses.Phatscotty wrote:lazy people and people who spend their money frivolously have a problem with any system in which hard work and saving money pays off and where the consequences of poor actions must be realized
yes....really....Lootifer wrote:Really?Phatscotty wrote:Where is there a free market?Lootifer wrote:For me i [incorrectly?] seperate the free market and capitalism into the ideal and the actual.
The free market is the concept on which capitalism tries (and mostly fails) to achieve.
Capitalism is the half arsed implementation of the free market into todays society.
Well thats the way I look at it anyways.
Im generally pro-free market and anti-capitalism based on these definitions.
Specifics:
- The free market is the unregulated exchange of goods and services, with price and quantity signals set by the participants in said market
- Capitalism [for me] is the semi-regulated encumberant set of mechanisms we currently have for the exchange of good and services
I sort of think as the free market as uncorruptable since it's an ideal, where as capitalism is rife with corruption because its a pragmatic implementation of an ideal.
I dont know where im going with this...![]()
Come on my man, even you are usually better than this...

Bookmarked!Baron Von PWN wrote:An interesting debate going on at the economist website about "State Capitalism"
http://www.economist.com/debate/days/view/802
Anyone who uses Fortune 500 as a genuine metric is an idiot.State capitalism in the 21st century is a hybrid form of capitalism that is propelling firms to the forefront of the Fortune 500.
Sweet, a tinfoil hatter arguing on the other side...The primary purpose of state capitalism is not to produce wealth but to ensure that wealth creation does not threaten the ruling elite's political power.
lol really? they both have a point.Lootifer wrote:I want to read it but the sound bites from the two speakers are bordering on retarded:
Anyone who uses Fortune 500 as a genuine metric is an idiot.State capitalism in the 21st century is a hybrid form of capitalism that is propelling firms to the forefront of the Fortune 500.
Sweet, a tinfoil hatter arguing on the other side...The primary purpose of state capitalism is not to produce wealth but to ensure that wealth creation does not threaten the ruling elite's political power.
F that.
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