Is there a god?

[Woodruff]

if you want to follow god, you can't be homosexual.

So why did god create homosexuals?

o helping out your environment by helping 3rd world countries s perfectly fine and even encouraged, but that does not mean you should just ignore what's more important. because any help we can give is just temporary, while the help the bible can give is forever. big deal if you can cure a sickness, people are going to die sooner or later anyway, so why not give them the chance to not have to die in the first place instead?

Oh my fucking goggles, this is exactly what I was talking about, you're missing the point entirely.

What if you're wrong? What if there is no afterlife, no god? How would your "people are going to die sooner or later anyway" statement sound in that framework?

But no, good deeds don't matter, only your beliefs. That's what the bible says. So don't bother helping those poor people, just give them bibles, so when they die thanks to your indifference to their suffering, at least you can have a good conscience because you can convince yourself they are in "heaven"...

WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? Can you even entertain the thought?

The bible does not say womans are servants to men by the way, he sais men are the head of the family, but that does not mean we should treat woman as slaves.

So as long as they aren't treated "as slaves" it's ok that they're inequal? Don't give me that bs. If one party is the "leader", the "head of the family", then THEY ARE NOT EQUAL. You still posit that, ultimately, the woman has to defer to the man's opinion. The man only "has to listen" but the man still gets the final say because that's what the bible says.

Why does it matter to god what kind of genitals we sport between our legs?

there's occasions in the bible where god actually told to the men they were wrong and they had to listen to their woman, so no, god does not just look at who's men or not, and the whole reason this rule is in place is because eve tempted adam to eat from the forbidden fruit. but that does not mean we should tread all woman as trash, like for example most muslims do.

Were you going to answer his first question there? I'd like to hear your answer to it. Thanks!

[zimmah]

the people laughed at noah, just like most of the people laugh at believers nowadays.

:puts on persecution complex hat:

Does "most people" mean something different today than it did when I was a kid? Or are you just one of those people who think "true believers" (ie you and the people you go to church with) are the only real believers?

i believe a majority of people does not believe in god, but i don't know the exact numbers so i may be wrong.

[zimmah]

also god gave us the bible for a reason. if god wouldn't have given us the bible and would not have sent his son to earth, then we wouldn't have been able to tell if there was a god or not. and in that case i too would have said: "i don't know how the universe started, and we probably will never know" however, that is not the case. god gave us the option to know it, and he told us we should study it, so i do it.

God gave us this book that says God exists, which is how he was able to give us this book. That's some pretty circular logic you've got there.

no it's not.

[zimmah]

if you want to follow god, you can't be homosexual.

So why did god create homosexuals?

o helping out your environment by helping 3rd world countries s perfectly fine and even encouraged, but that does not mean you should just ignore what's more important. because any help we can give is just temporary, while the help the bible can give is forever. big deal if you can cure a sickness, people are going to die sooner or later anyway, so why not give them the chance to not have to die in the first place instead?

Oh my fucking goggles, this is exactly what I was talking about, you're missing the point entirely.

What if you're wrong? What if there is no afterlife, no god? How would your "people are going to die sooner or later anyway" statement sound in that framework?

But no, good deeds don't matter, only your beliefs. That's what the bible says. So don't bother helping those poor people, just give them bibles, so when they die thanks to your indifference to their suffering, at least you can have a good conscience because you can convince yourself they are in "heaven"...

WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? Can you even entertain the thought?

The bible does not say womans are servants to men by the way, he sais men are the head of the family, but that does not mean we should treat woman as slaves.

So as long as they aren't treated "as slaves" it's ok that they're inequal? Don't give me that bs. If one party is the "leader", the "head of the family", then THEY ARE NOT EQUAL. You still posit that, ultimately, the woman has to defer to the man's opinion. The man only "has to listen" but the man still gets the final say because that's what the bible says.

Why does it matter to god what kind of genitals we sport between our legs?

there's occasions in the bible where god actually told to the men they were wrong and they had to listen to their woman, so no, god does not just look at who's men or not, and the whole reason this rule is in place is because eve tempted adam to eat from the forbidden fruit. but that does not mean we should tread all woman as trash, like for example most muslims do.

Were you going to answer his first question there? I'd like to hear your answer to it. Thanks!

god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

[natty dread]

Well put, nats-D.

Can I call you "nats-D"?

Actually, I prefer to be called The Bodacious N-Dog.

[natty dread]

god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

How exactly do you stop being what you are? Sexuality is not something you can just turn off at will.

So, if god made you such that you're attracted to the same sex, why is it a sin for you to act according to it?

Oh, and I also like how you make a dichotomy between "homosexuals" and "normal people". And by "like" I mean "utterly revile".

[cookie0117]

First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

[zimmah]

god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

How exactly do you stop being what you are? Sexuality is not something you can just turn off at will.

So, if god made you such that you're attracted to the same sex, why is it a sin for you to act according to it?

Oh, and I also like how you make a dichotomy between "homosexuals" and "normal people". And by "like" I mean "utterly revile".

like i said, if you have homosexual feelings for someone, you don't have to pursue them, much like you don't have to pursue the feelings you may get for married woman, underaged persons and people don't don't have the same feelings for you.

[zimmah]

First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

jews don't believe the prophecies, but the jews god rejected as gods special nation, also, the jews were responsible for the murder of jesus.

[john9blue]

neo forgot to take off his persecution complex hat; i am now free to persecute him without consequence

[natty dread]

like i said, if you have homosexual feelings for someone, you don't have to pursue them, much like you don't have to pursue the feelings you may get for married woman, underaged persons and people don't don't have the same feelings for you.

Those are not nearly comparable situations. Children can't, by definition, consent to sex. They are too young to understand sexual relations, and too young to be able to make that decision - thus, adults having sex with children is always abuse. Two consenting adults, no matter what sex they are, having sexual relations with each other is entirely different.

If you have feelings for a married woman, then you can still get over those feelings and have feelings for another woman. But if a homosexual can't have sexual relations with the sex of their choice at all, what alternatives do they have?

If you're bisexual, ok, then you have the choice to pursue men or women. But if you're totally homosexual, what are you supposed to do? Be celibate your entire life, or be with the opposite sex even though you're not attracted to them? Why would god do such a horrible thing to people, if he's supposed to be a good god?

[cookie0117]

First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

jews don't believe the prophecies, but the jews god rejected as gods special nation, also, the jews were responsible for the murder of jesus.

The jews dont believe the prophaces as thy were not completed. Jesus did not bring about the kingdom of israel, therefore he is not the son of the abrahamic god.

[zimmah]

First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

jews don't believe the prophecies, but the jews god rejected as gods special nation, also, the jews were responsible for the murder of jesus.

The jews dont believe the prophaces as thy were not completed. Jesus did not bring about the kingdom of israel, therefore he is not the son of the abrahamic god.

he did bring about the kingdom of isreal, the spiritual isreal, that is.

[PLAYER57832]

Another problem I have is god told people about how he created the earth/stars and everything but was unable to give a concistent account of it, with any detail.

God could, but people were not able to fully understand. Why God is not clearer is likely due in part to the whole "free will" bit. If God game down and gave a movie of what happened, then sure, there would be no doubt, but humanity would differ significantly as well.

[natty dread]

the spiritual isreal

How's the weather up there at spiritual israel?

[DogAlmighty]

Is there a pancake?

[PLAYER57832]

god didn't create homosexuals,

Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.

he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.

[zimmah]

god didn't create homosexuals,

Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.

he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.

not sure what you mean by real biology, if you mean some people may be attracted to the same gender, i know, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on everyone of the same gender just because you're gay. and animals are just animals.

[Woodruff]

also god gave us the bible for a reason. if god wouldn't have given us the bible and would not have sent his son to earth, then we wouldn't have been able to tell if there was a god or not. and in that case i too would have said: "i don't know how the universe started, and we probably will never know" however, that is not the case. god gave us the option to know it, and he told us we should study it, so i do it.

God gave us this book that says God exists, which is how he was able to give us this book. That's some pretty circular logic you've got there.

no it's not.

That is a brilliant refutation. BRILLIANT!

[Woodruff]

god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

Ah, so you believe that homosexuality is 100% choice, then. And that homosexuals should absolutely not love the one that they love.

What a sad world that would be.

[BigBallinStalin]

god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

Ah, so you believe that homosexuality is 100% choice, then. And that homosexuals should absolutely not love the one that they love.

What a sad world that would be.

It's what God wants--according to zimmah.

How dare you refute zimmah's interpretation of his religious following's interpretation of some old guys' interpretation of the English, Old English, maybe French, then Latin, Greek, and unknown versions of the Holy Bible.

Who's standing on shaky logic now?! HUH!!! HUH!!!


Got'chya. Got'chya cornered, Woodruff! There's no escape!

[Woodruff]

god didn't create homosexuals,

Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.

he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.

not sure what you mean by real biology, if you mean some people may be attracted to the same gender, i know, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on everyone of the same gender just because you're gay. and animals are just animals.

Not all homosexuals wnat to "jump on everyone of the same gender". In fact, a very great many really want monogamous homosexual relationships. Why aren't you addressing them?

In fact, I would go so far as to state to you that YOUR VIEWS are what cause many homosexuals to NOT be monogamous in their relationships. Your own views are contributing to that which you are decrying.

[natty dread]

Not all homosexuals wnat to "jump on everyone of the same gender". In fact, a very great many really want monogamous homosexual relationships. Why aren't you addressing them?

It doesn't fit his worldview.

[chang50]

Not all homosexuals wnat to "jump on everyone of the same gender". In fact, a very great many really want monogamous homosexual relationships. Why aren't you addressing them?

It doesn't fit his worldview.

And what a sick and twisted worldview it is..
Very unchristian and intolerant..

[pmchugh]

the koran claims to be the sequel to the bible, yet it contradicts not only the bible but also itself, the bible is the only holy book that i know of that makes sense as a whole.

Obviously there are no contradictions in the Bible at all.

also god gave us the bible for a reason. if god wouldn't have given us the bible and would not have sent his son to earth, then we wouldn't have been able to tell if there was a god or not. and in that case i too would have said: "i don't know how the universe started, and we probably will never know" however, that is not the case. god gave us the option to know it, and he told us we should study it, so i do it.

God gave us this book that says God exists, which is how he was able to give us this book. That's some pretty circular logic you've got there.

no it's not.

god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

I don't care if you are in complete denial and use nonsensical arguments to defend your invisible sky friend but don't dare use it as an excuse for bigotry.