Dazza's 1st Mafia - Mafia Win

[edocsil]

Cause I wasn't throwing town power tells or anything. Anyhow, GL town.

[codierose]

Codi, I have a wee bit of problems with your post. Nothing scummy or anything. It's just...what is catnip and what is you? Obviously, I can go back and check cat's post...but...is this the way you guys comment on other guy's post or?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to wrap my head around what is yours and what is his

sorry my bad not very good at the writing stuff its just the way i respond without writing a story without sounding like the idiot that i am check the other games im in its just the way i post trying to learn getting there slowly very slowly

[Ragian]

Anyway, I think the first post of today, codi's post, was rather clever. He merely wonders if catnip's comment was the reason for edoc's demise. If yes, that has two meanings (as I understand it):

1) Mafia saw the post and is trying to frame catnip.
2) Catnip wanted edoc out of the picture.

Now, codi did not hint at either of those two being his assumption. Yet, catnip felt the urge to defend himself. One the other hand, I would probably do the same, so I don't necessarily think that incriminates catnip, and, as Pershy states, he has some decent points in his post. It seems to be a natural reaction to me. It doesn't clear him as a townie though.

On a totally different note, we got rid of a third party poisoner It's the first time I've ever seen a D1 lynch have such a positive outcome for the town. Poisoner seemed fitting

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fastposted by codi.

No worries, mate. Am I to understand that what is actually put as catnip's words, they are your comments?

[codierose]

was rather clever.

hell thats a first thanks ive been called the town idiot in the last 2 games

[Ragian]

was rather clever.

hell thats a first thanks ive been called the town idiot in the last 2 games

Well...perhaps this only proves that I'm dumber than you

[catnipdreams]

I am being defensive - a provocative comment was aimed at me, the player making that comment is dead, and I was the hammer for the lynch... I don't feel comfortable at all! And the hammer thing - um, I kind of wasn't paying attention. I wasn't paying attention because it simply did not enter my thought process to be concerned about that.

Eh, not a big deal, but I'm female; I'm kind of used to CC folks assuming I'm male, since there are so few females on CC, but it's still odd to see references in posts referring to me as "he" and "his". I would like to think that I come across as gender-neutral in my posts here, but I'm not sure exactly that I do. I was asked to clarify my gender in my first mafia game; I don't know why anyone would ask that unless I somehow didn't seem very male...

Now, to the night scene: we have the Mafia kill, but what happened to the Town kill? What roles would prevent that? Role Blocker, Doctor, Bullet-proof? Anything else? I don't quite know how a Bus Driver would fit in here, at least as far as preventing a Town kill... And is it correct to assume we have a Town Cop? Hopefully they found out something helpful...

[codierose]

wasn't paying attention.

surly thats a man thing
you didn't answer my question though so what are you apart from being female you have claimed town but what
does town always get a night kill role

[Ragian]

@cat, sorry about the gender thingie. I type "he" by default...that's how language/society is more or less (man-kind and all that). I'll be sure to refer to you as she. I'm sorry

Anyway...I thought you said that did pay attention to the hammer, but that since it was the best available case at the moment nearing deadline, you were fine hammering. I may have to reread your post. Oh lord, I hope I didn't misunderstand

[Ragian]

You did write "wasn't aware". Great... I'll go do something I can actually manage. Like, I dunno, lifting things. My monkey brain is not of much use here it seems...

[catnipdreams]

Post by codierose » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:40 pm

wasn't paying attention.

surly thats a man thing
you didn't answer my question though so what are you apart from being female you have claimed town but what
does town always get a night kill role

Unfortunately, sometimes bad habits sneak in, depending on the company one keeps!!

I only said I was Town, nothing else about my role; is just saying I am Town claiming?

I have no idea if Town always gets a night kill, but isn't that what a Town Vigilante does? Kill someone at night? I'm reading Mafia Wiki to understand the roles - is the information there incorrect? I thought that a Town Vigilante would target someone each night, and the kill would look the same as a Mafia kill... I suppose he could have chosen not to make a kill, but that seems unlikely - I also read that almost always, if someone can make a kill, that they do indeed make a kill...

[catnipdreams]

@cat, sorry about the gender thingie. I type "he" by default...that's how language/society is more or less (man-kind and all that). I'll be sure to refer to you as she. I'm sorry

No problem at all - I just let it go in game chat, but I figured that with the potential for pages and pages and pages of posts here, I had best say something... And if anyone sees a pattern to my posts that screams "female", I'd love to know what it is! (Curiousity, felines... not so healthy for the cat, sometimes...)

[Ragian]

Well...the cat thing might indicate that you are female, but for six months I was sporting "little miss sunshine" as my avatar...so really it didn't trigger anything in my head.

Anyway....roles.

Town Vigilante - gets one kill per night if she/he chooses to make use of that option.
Overeager Town Vigilante - has to kill every night

I've always found it best that the vigilante does not kill the first night since it's difficult to see who should be gunned down (vig usually use guns, where serial killers use blades). So even though there was only one nightkill, we might still have a vig in our midst.

[catnipdreams]

I've always found it best that the vigilante does not kill the first night since it's difficult to see who should be gunned down (vig usually use guns, where serial killers use blades). So even though there was only one nightkill, we might still have a vig in our midst.

So we might have had TWO Vigilantes at the start of the game? Both Town? Both opting not to make a kill on the first night? Huh. That seems like a bit much, but I don't have an experience base to make a judgement about the likelihood of that.

I do have another question: I've read about balancing games; we started with 13 players, so am I correct that there "should" be three Mafia, and at most one third party, in this size game?

[Iron Butterfly]

well, I can't see anything from the posts so far to take me in another direction, so due to inactivity, unvote vote wildwilliam

That is a lynch I believe. You are going to be in the hot seat tomorrow.

hmm did he die because of this quote

Vote Codierosa

The fact is he did die and that quote only put a big bullseye on his back. Who better to kill then someone whos last words draw suspicion to someone else? Now we can do WIFO arguments from here to kingdom come, but for me the sticking point to my vote is in reading Codiersos attempt to disect Cats defense.

It just seems like the perfect set up on Cat.

I beleive Cat is innocent and heres why.

She is a noob. I played with her in her first game. She still does not know the ins and outs. She did not realize that most folks beleive those who hammer look suspicious. She did it for her own valid reasons. She has every right to be defensive as she is being set up for the fall.

I could be wrong about Codierosa but he jumped on Cat really quickly in a very indirect way suggesting Cat should be looked at.

I am presented with either looking at Cat or looking at Codierso. For now my case is on Coriderso.

[Ragian]

I've always found it best that the vigilante does not kill the first night since it's difficult to see who should be gunned down (vig usually use guns, where serial killers use blades). So even though there was only one nightkill, we might still have a vig in our midst.

So we might have had TWO Vigilantes at the start of the game? Both Town? Both opting not to make a kill on the first night? Huh. That seems like a bit much, but I don't have an experience base to make a judgement about the likelihood of that.

I do have another question: I've read about balancing games; we started with 13 players, so am I correct that there "should" be three Mafia, and at most one third party, in this size game?

No. I'm an idiot. I was talking in general and inadvertently ended up talking about this game. I wouldn't think that we would have two vigs. Since Edoc died, we probably don't have any vigs left

I would assume three mafia and a (deceased) 3rd party. Hopefully just three scummies left

[Ragian]

well, I can't see anything from the posts so far to take me in another direction, so due to inactivity, unvote vote wildwilliam

That is a lynch I believe. You are going to be in the hot seat tomorrow.

hmm did he die because of this quote

Vote Codierosa

The fact is he did die and that quote only put a big bullseye on his back. Who better to kill then someone whos last words draw suspicion to someone else? Now we can do WIFO arguments from here to kingdom come, but for me the sticking point to my vote is in reading Codiersos attempt to disect Cats defense.

It just seems like the perfect set up on Cat.

I beleive Cat is innocent and heres why.

She is a noob. I played with her in her first game. She still does not know the ins and outs. She did not realize that most folks beleive those who hammer look suspicious. She did it for her own valid reasons. She has every right to be defensive as she is being set up for the fall.

I could be wrong about Codierosa but he jumped on Cat really quickly in a very indirect way suggesting Cat should be looked at.

I am presented with either looking at Cat or looking at Codierso. For now my case is on Coriderso.

Well...I don't know other players here but Pershy, MoB, and tenbar (from our clan), so I can't say who are rookies and who are veterans though cat does indicate that she's new to this.

I don't think that codi's attempt at baiting makes him deserve my vote. For now anyway... But for the record, I don't think the hammer makes cat look scummy (noob or not) given that it was the only case available.

[pershy]

@catnip - I very much doubt there would be another town vig and your wondering makes me a little suspicious
I agree with other stuff u say tho

however - I like IronButterfly's reasoning.

I think I'll vote Codierosa to apply pressure and keep things moving as we have now entered a spurt of activity in this game which is good to see.

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

codierose(2) - Iron Butterfly, pershy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[Ragian]

@catnip - I very much doubt there would be another town vig and your wondering makes me a little suspicious
I agree with other stuff u say tho

however - I like IronButterfly's reasoning.

I think I'll vote Codierosa to apply pressure and keep things moving as we have now entered a spurt of activity in this game which is good to see.

The reason catnip asked if we would have two was because I fucked things up by making a general statement and then mistakingly applying it to this game where the vig was nightkilled. Skimming, Pershy?

[tenbar]

Allright, we are making progress.

Stop fogging you silly Dane or i am gonna FOS ya (HUUUUUGE HUGS!)

Cod was mighty fast on cat, which usually points to one of two things: scum looking to start a frenzy, or knowledge based on a nightime investigation.

Could go either way in my books. Cat claims some kind of town, But we dont know about cod yet. We are heading towards forcing a claim from him...is this what we want?

Worth noting too that inna-gadda-da-vida jumped quickly to cat's defense...could be a scummate protecting his own. Not saying for sure, just pointing ot that we need to keep this in mind for when we find out what cat is.

I think we got cat or cod at this point, as they are likely on opposite sides...but which one?

[Iron Butterfly]

Allright, we are making progress.

Stop fogging you silly Dane or i am gonna FOS ya (HUUUUUGE HUGS!)

Cod was mighty fast on cat, which usually points to one of two things: scum looking to start a frenzy, or knowledge based on a nightime investigation.If he is forced to claim and he is Mafia you have given him an idea of how to do so with a better chance of drawing out other Town power roles.

Could go either way in my books. Cat claims some kind of town, But we dont know about cod yet. We are heading towards forcing a claim from him...is this what we want? The question should be, is that what you want? You are asking others, whom you have no idea are mafia or town, what their opinion is. Speak for yourself.

Worth noting too that inna-gadda-da-vida jumped quickly to cat's defense...could be a scummate protecting his own. Not saying for sure, just pointing ot that we need to keep this in mind for when we find out what cat is.
And if Cod turns Mafia does that make you scum? I really hate the argument that someone may be guilty because they offered an argument pointing out the obvious

I think we got cat or cod at this point, as they are likely on opposite sides...but which one?

You beleive Cat or Cod (LOL I just realized the names make them punny opposites) are indeed Mafia/Town why not make your case instead of passing the buck to everyone else? I made mine and didnt beat around the bush

Nice to see the Inna-gadda-da-vida reference...though some may think its scummy

[Nebuchadnezer]

Allright, we are making progress.

Stop fogging you silly Dane or i am gonna FOS ya (HUUUUUGE HUGS!)

tenbar...who the heck are you talking to? You may be freinds with some of the people, but I have no idea who "you silly Dane" is. Please clarify.

Cod was mighty fast on cat, which usually points to one of two things: scum looking to start a frenzy, or knowledge based on a nightime investigation.

Could go either way in my books. Cat claims some kind of town, But we dont know about cod yet. We are heading towards forcing a claim from him...is this what we want?

Worth noting too that inna-gadda-da-vida jumped quickly to cat's defense...could be a scummate protecting his own. Not saying for sure, just pointing ot that we need to keep this in mind for when we find out what cat is.

I think we got cat or cod at this point, as they are likely on opposite sides...but which one?

"inna-gadda-da-vida"??? Are you referring to Iron Butterfly?

I'm not excited about you creating confusing posts that point the finger at about...4 different people? That was just a bizarre post.

Now, on to business...

I'm getting bad vibes from one player right now...so I'm going to put this together to see if I'm way off or not...

Okay, I can go two ways right now...

1. Vote for Rastan...something or other - He hasn't posted anything. If I were mafia, I'd probably keep a low profile so as to avoid saying anything controversial that might bring unwanted attention to me.
2. Vote for Ragian - Questions the joke voting, then picks MoB for being "the popular guy" or something to that affect. Which just happens to be his only post (I think). Again, keeping a low profile, but doing nothing to draw attention to himself (but his trying to not draw attention, drew my attention, so he's really not succeeding in not drawing attention).

So, with all that blow-hardiness...

VOTE RAGIAN

Conscientious townie? Probably.
Scum posing as conscientious townie? Possibly. I mean - who isn't keeping a low profile right now anyway?
However I know Ragian and he's fun to lynch

Mod prod raston will you? Or we can all prod him several times repeatedlly with our pitch forks.

I'm going to form a pattern here...notice how Pershy is "kind of" casting suspicion at me, while at the same time naming someone else.

I am very leery of players asking others how they should act or what they think would be a good route to follow. typically it is the followers and not the leaders that are scum.

ha ha good one willian
could it be scummy tactics - trying to seem that they're leading in a townie manner? Maybe
vote william

Perhaps the best OMGUS vote of the game! How convenient for Pershy that the bandwagon came around for the lynch. He never even had to do anything...just wait.

I am very leery of players asking others how they should act or what they think would be a good route to follow. typically it is the followers and not the leaders that are scum.

ha ha good one willian
could it be scummy tactics - trying to seem that they're leading in a townie manner? Maybe
vote william

I do not follow this logic. If it isn't explained I will vote for you, if it is as I think I understand it I believe it to be scummy.

Simple - I threw out a question to everybody about whether to keep up pressure on Mob and William pounces on it saying it's scummy cause I'm following? Just sounds scummy to me and like a mafia trying to appear townie by saying this. Also I had the thought that he did this as a defensive maneuver because I had joke voted him before. Early to tell anything yet tho.

Pershy did seem to be throwing off the "I'll do whatever the group wants" mentality. Despite Wild William being 3rd party, he did have a point about Pershy's logic. However, again, Pershy won't commit. Note also that edocsil, former townie, was picking up on suspicious activity here.

well - does catnip seem defensive to anyone apart from me? What he says makes sense. Of course he could be mafia and wanted edocsil out of the picture in case he lead town against him and and put him in the "hot seat". Right now my thinking could go either way, I'm not ruling anything out. At least we got that poisoner out of the way. I had a feeling that WW was a bad egg from the beginning.

Again casting suspicion on another player. Trying to make doubt about everyone grow...yet remaining rather aloof. As if he didn't make the suggestion that catnip could be scum. He won't "rule anything out" though.

@catnip - I very much doubt there would be another town vig and your wondering makes me a little suspicious
I agree with other stuff u say tho

however - I like IronButterfly's reasoning.

I think I'll vote Codierosa to apply pressure and keep things moving as we have now entered a spurt of activity in this game which is good to see.

This here just reinforces pershy's MO this game. Casting suspicion on catnip again, but then following IronButterfly...because that's what mafia do.

That should do it for now.

VOTE PERSHY

[Nebuchadnezer]

Fastposted by Iron Butterfly.

[codierose]

Fastposted by Iron Butterfly.

sorry what does this mean
how this all got turned on me baffles me but i will respond when i bet home on my computer
@pershy you like to fos one way and vote another anyways will respond in a couple of hours

[Nebuchadnezer]

Fastposted by Iron Butterfly.

sorry what does this mean
how this all got turned on me baffles me but i will respond when i bet home on my computer
@pershy you like to fos one way and vote another anyways will respond in a couple of hours

It means I was putting my case on Pershy together before Iron butterfly's post was there. while putting my case together, Iron butterfly posted his case...thereby "fastposting" my post.