Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[TheGeneral2112]

thank you for clarifying that point general, you kinda alluded that you might or might not have though remember?

Oh, I may have done just that. To clarify, I have no night action.

[ghostly447]

Then Unvote. Now what?

[TheGeneral2112]

I think I need to figure out how to work together with some of you. There are things I need for my win condition that I cannot accomplish on my own. Here is a complete list of things I know/suspect and we can work from there. Also, everything marked confirmed is confirmed to me.

1) There are two vigs. (Confirmed)
2) I am in a 3rd party faction with 2 others. Dazza is NOT a part of my faction. (Confirmed)
3) There are two main factions, the Capulets and the Montague (Confirmed)
4) The win condition for each main faction is to eliminate the opposing faction. (Not confirmed but fairly obvious)
5) Because of my position I have the power of "Divine Protection" (Confirmed)
6) Unfortunately, because of my position, I am not allowed to hammer a lynch. (Confirmed)
7) My win condition is more or less a survivor. (Confirmed)
Here is what I believe to be the complete character list. (Not confirmed, but likely)

Prince Escalus
Count Paris
Mercutio
Capulet
Capulet's wife
Juliet
Tybalt
The Nurse (Possible names include Peter, Sampson and Gregory)
Montague
Montague's wife
Romeo
Benvolio
Abram OR Balthasar
Friar Laurence (Brother Lorenzo - Mod confirmed)
Friar John
An Apothecary

[TheGeneral2112]

Goddamn it... The emoticon is supposed to be a 8)...

[TheGeneral2112]

Now in order to work together, we need to start talking about Win Conditions. Who needs who dead to win? Since I am neither a Capulet or a Montague, I don't know if you each require someone odd to be dead/live in order to win.

[ghostly447]

Im not sure we may state our win conditions. However I have asked the mod and will work on doing so if we can. Will keep you updated on that..

[TheGeneral2112]

Im not sure we may state our win conditions. However I have asked the mod and will work on doing so if we can. Will keep you updated on that..

Direct quotes are bad. Saying: I need xyz to be dead in order to win is NOT a violation of that rule in a game like this. But, I would like a mod response in the thread to clear that up.

[jgordon1111]

For montagues it is all capulets dead and probably vise versa.

But if edoc is telling the truth By his win condition if the vigs die then everyone alive wins.

Dazza says he just needs to survive.

But like I said I went back and read zimmah's post again about Brother john,and he says that role was made to help everyone. and he says everyone needs to work together. and then he says if we do work together on win conditions the majority of the players will win Unvote general.

Ok then we work together, It may be to late. protect dazza he is needed if 2 roles protector 1 take dazza the other Edoc. capulets may have both protective roles by what zimmah said earlier lowest ranked player take dazza highest ranked player take edoc. If one capulet protector cover dazza if the other is montague cover edoc. that way you dont have to claim to protect them.

We may not have lost eldario if we had read closer earlier.

[jgordon1111]

Crap forgot Unvote general

[ghostly447]

you actually unvoted at the end of the green words, but it was not clear enough, possibly, for a mod to stop and notice.

[jgordon1111]

the part I remembered was that zimmah wants votes in RED

[edocsil]

For montagues it is all capulets dead and probably vise versa.

But if edoc is telling the truth By his win condition if the vigs die then everyone alive wins.

Dazza says he just needs to survive.

But like I said I went back and read zimmah's post again about Brother john,and he says that role was made to help everyone. and he says everyone needs to work together. and then he says if we do work together on win conditions the majority of the players will win Unvote general.

Ok then we work together, It may be to late. protect dazza he is needed if 2 roles protector 1 take dazza the other Edoc. capulets may have both protective roles by what zimmah said earlier lowest ranked player take dazza highest ranked player take edoc. If one capulet protector cover dazza if the other is montague cover edoc. that way you dont have to claim to protect them.

We may not have lost eldario if we had read closer earlier.

This is basically the reason I was so pissed yesterday. If the vigs both die and we do a NL and then the game ends. This isn't written in you WC, but it will happen. It is more or less the reason I have a role at all.

[shieldgenerator7]

hey yeah votes in red and green is reserved for mod.

SO yeah I forgot general's role because I thought he had some sort of night action. So instead he is given all this info from the start and from there is basically a bullet-proof vanilla townie (altho slightly different). So general can help us with info (hopefully w/o getting modkilled) and help with votes.

So now to start looking for the killer...

Man, this game is so hard because you don't know which side to take... montague, capulet, or third-party?

But edoc says we can all win if we get rid of the killers, so I guess we take the pro-life side.

So, to search the thread to find hints of the killer...

-SG7 ( )

[edocsil]

Yeah, basically is just turned into a game with 2 SKs both with alt WCs. This is going to be interesting.

[zimmah]

Goddamn it... The emoticon is supposed to be a ...

classic counting mistake

[zimmah]

Then Unvote. Now what?

please do votes in red.

other votes will get counted (as long as they look serious), but have a higher risk to be missed with counting/recounting.

also please do not use green as a color (only me and mob use it, the mods.).Exception: if you quote me or mob from this tread, you may use the same color we use just to make it clear that it is a quote from a mod, any other colors may be used at all times.


Vote count

Currently noone is voted.

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
TheGeneral2112
Edocsil
Shieldgenerator7
jgordon1111
dazza2008
new guy1
Some7hingCLEVER
ghostly447
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
alt1978
Leehar
NoSurvivors
SPARTACUS1974

there's 15 alive so 8 votes are needed for a lynch

[alt1978]

A case to lynch Apothecary

Leehar started day 2 out with a question that I think is both relevant and important.

I guess our best course of action is if anyone has any info on who may have killed Escalus? I don't actually remember Eldario ever commenting here?

Why was Eldario, Prince Escalus killed?

Jgordon put forward,

"Eldario died I believe because for some reason he claimed to be Romeo, I didnt believe him But one of the vigs apparently did."

I checked back through the logs and eldario was active. He was one of the first to put out the idea that there are four factions...not three...an idea many have claimed to agree with since. However there was nothing in this idea, or in anything else he said that could have possibly made him a target, except for the mistype that Jgordon above was referring to. The conclusion that can be drawn from this...is that the person who killed Eldario was specifically trying to kill Romeo.

While I agree with Jgordon's conclusion of why eldario died, But I don't think one of the vigs did it. There's no way the Montegue Vig would go after Romeo...that just doesn't make sense. The Capulet Vig definitely would love to tag and bag Romeo, but with a known Montegue outing himself and another Montegue aligned character on the table...it's hard for me to believe that the Capulet Vig would take a shot in the dark.

Apothecary however...the poisoner...would likely very much have reason to poison Romeo. Many players in this thread have stated that there are a number of people you need to have alive to win...I would guess the poisoner needs Romeo and Juliet dead to win. Having a shot at knocking Romeo out would be very appealing to the Apothecary...but we also no that Eldario being Romeo was a flimsy case at best.


Following this line of reasoning of intentions and execusion leads me to my case

Vote
Some7hingCLEVER

By my figuring, the person who killed Eldario was a skimmer. That elminates a whole of folks because most of the commentary has been very informed. On day 2, I believe Some7thingClever shows up to see if he nailed Romeo in the night...reads that he did not, and then posts,

Re: Romeo and Juliet Mafia [16/16] Night Two

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:13 pm
Ya eldRio was pretty inactive (so was I I guess)
I'm still confused on the setup but will try to get past that and participate more

That screams skimmer to me. He has Eldario's activity level wrong...and it sounds like he is trying to throw Eldario under the bus. He then disappears into the abyss.

At the least this feels fishy...in my estimation, some7thingclever is the poisoner...and a skimming light reading random poisoner is a threat to a lot of people in this game I am sure.

[chapcrap]

Well, while I like the attempt and you may be right about him being a poisoner, the person a poisoner targets doesn't die the same night. So, if CLEVER were the poisoner, he did not kill Eldario last night.

[Leehar]

And even though there was a night 1, there was no reason to pick Eldario at that time. It may have been a random shot in the dark poison-wise, but that doesn't help with intent

You made an interesting point on the reasoning for a kill, so could it be that there's another 4th party with killing power here? Because of the high amount of 3rd parties we're already seeing in a sense with general claiming 2 others in his faction, but with dazza excluded, and maybe edoc even included, it still makes a significant number considering the dead governor as well?

I'd actually hazard that there are perhaps only as much as 4 capulets and montagues each. Which probably makes half of the overall scenario (and obv excluding R&J) and I don't think that feud is as significant a portion of the game. I'd also assume that there'd be a way to make their WC's in sync from the kill their opposition bit, so that we can achieve a happy ending? Would that only happen with the death of R&J I wonder?

[jgordon1111]

I dont think so leehar, I believe Zimmahs intent was to rewrite the story,therefore he made the third and fourth party factions,He is trying to make sure R&J survive as much as possible. But in turn gave each family a Vig thats WC is probably compatible with family win, But is also seperate in that if romeo and juliet die thats game for them. So whoever got eldario was a vig and most likely a capulat.

And yes I think its someone who may be laying low possibly skimming but most likely not, Eldario made the mistake of showing his faction but not a good soft claim, the vig took the shot with a double win, If eldario was romeo great,if not a close second third party.

[shieldgenerator7]

Actually, Leehar, I disagree. If Clever were a poisoner, he must have targeted eldario N1 in order to have him die N2. I think the capulet vig killed Eldario, because even tho 2 montagues were exposed, I think he could have been thinking: "Yay! Let's vig a montague! Edoc or jgordon? Nah, they probably got doc protection tonight. What about eldario? He seems to have softclaimed Romeo! Let's get him! Yeah!" That's what I think happened. The vig chose a more random target because the sure-fire targets were likely to be protected.

Leehar, what made you sure the killer was a skimmer? I didn't understand that part. It seems you chose Clever and saw he was a skimmer and then changed your post to make it seem the logic went the other way around. If you could clarify that a bit I'd appreciate it.

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-SG7 ( )

[Leehar]

Just FYI, alt was making the original case on Clever...

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I didn't skim I went through the last couple of pages to see if he had posted something and I don't see much so I said he seemed inactive
I read through everything But to see he wasn't that active in the last few pages doesn't take reading anything so saying im skimming makes no sense (in my eyes)

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok i been catching up on the last few pages .
the vig may have hit eldario thinking he was romeo seems credible .

jgordon did you role block anybody last night ?

and i think we have to work together and use dazza,s powers we need to draw up a list of players we would like him to check out each night but the final choice will be his.

and i think we need to hear from victor as he is being very quiet he has not posted anything at all

[new guy1]

ok i been catching up on the last few pages .
the vig may have hit eldario thinking he was romeo seems credible .

jgordon did you role block anybody last night ?

and i think we have to work together and use dazza,s powers we need to draw up a list of players we would like him to check out each night but the final choice will be his.

and i think we need to hear from victor as he is being very quiet he has not posted anything at all

FOS for skimming, i remember him saying he blocked edocsil. having posted this, i shall post my input. the fact that eldario died says to me that somebody's WC is to have Romeo and Juliet dead. either that, or it was a capulet vig that would want him dead. although having shot romeo as a capulet vig makes sense, it doesnt as it could possibly kill juliet as well (if they are lovers). i believe it was a third party with a killing role that wants romeo and juliet dead, as this makes the most sense in my head.