H.E. Mafia, Game Over, Town Prevails. [archive plox]

[ghostly447]

I didnt claim doc because I am not the doc. Do not jump to conclusions. I would have been still on him a ton if I were the real doc. I will keep my vote there, because I DO feel it is a fake claim, but I am not a doc. I also do not want to lynch a doc, but like I said, I STRONGLY feel that he is mafia.

[chapcrap]

I didnt claim doc because I am not the doc. Do not jump to conclusions. I would have been still on him a ton if I were the real doc. I will keep my vote there, because I DO feel it is a fake claim, but I am not a doc. I also do not want to lynch a doc, but like I said, I STRONGLY feel that he is mafia.

Well, if you are emphatically saying that you are not the doc (and you are saying that), then I'll unvote again.

[ghostly447]

I didnt claim doc because I am not the doc. Do not jump to conclusions. I would have been still on him a ton if I were the real doc. I will keep my vote there, because I DO feel it is a fake claim, but I am not a doc. I also do not want to lynch a doc, but like I said, I STRONGLY feel that he is mafia.

Well, if you are emphatically saying that you are not the doc (and you are saying that), then I'll unvote again.

Well, at least I have my honesty. But I will promise that I am not the doctor.

[dazza2008]

Clever is quite a new player but I just can't see him fake claiming a doc. He might not be sane but it feels to risky to lynch him to me.

[ghostly447]

Clever is quite a new player but I just can't see him fake claiming a doc. He might not be sane but it feels to risky to lynch him to me.

Last time I was given the benefit of the doubt I took it to the last lynch. Give him an inch, he will take a mile. To fake claim doc would be very brave of him, but I dont think it would be terribly horrible to consider that he might have.

[dazza2008]

Clever is quite a new player but I just can't see him fake claiming a doc. He might not be sane but it feels to risky to lynch him to me.

Last time I was given the benefit of the doubt I took it to the last lynch. Give him an inch, he will take a mile. To fake claim doc would be very brave of him, but I dont think it would be terribly horrible to consider that he might have.

I thimk it would be foolish to lynch him though. Why not use the night to test his claim? I am sure we will have roles in the mix here that can check him out at some point.

Not saying for a cop to investigate as that invites a frame etc. but there must be some way we can check him.

I am more comfortable with that than lynching him.

[ghostly447]

Clever is quite a new player but I just can't see him fake claiming a doc. He might not be sane but it feels to risky to lynch him to me.

Last time I was given the benefit of the doubt I took it to the last lynch. Give him an inch, he will take a mile. To fake claim doc would be very brave of him, but I dont think it would be terribly horrible to consider that he might have.

I thimk it would be foolish to lynch him though. Why not use the night to test his claim? I am sure we will have roles in the mix here that can check him out at some point.

Not saying for a cop to investigate as that invites a frame etc. but there must be some way we can check him.

I am more comfortable with that than lynching him.

Because if he is mafia then he can just have his scum buddies kill the patient instead and then we will think he is still clean of charges.

[spiesr]

I thimk it would be foolish to lynch him though. Why not use the night to test his claim? I am sure we will have roles in the mix here that can check him out at some point.

Not saying for a cop to investigate as that invites a frame etc. but there must be some way we can check him.

I am more comfortable with that than lynching him.

With the tracker already dead, I don't think we have any way to "check him" other than a cop investigation...

[strike wolf]

There are other ways to test it but not knowing which roles are in the game it would be wifomy at best. As far as ghostly and chap are concerned. Ghostly was in no immediate risk of lynch as far as I could see so I'm not completely sure that stating that he could be the doc was the right move at the time.

[chapcrap]

There are other ways to test it but not knowing which roles are in the game it would be wifomy at best. As far as ghostly and chap are concerned. Ghostly was in no immediate risk of lynch as far as I could see so I'm not completely sure that stating that he could be the doc was the right move at the time.

I did that because it was stalled and that's what it appeared like to me from re-reading. If I could pick up on it (I'm not the best at breadcrumb type things), then I assumed someone in the mafia could as well. So, I went ahead and put it out there.

Essentially, I cleared ghostly of getting killed by the mafia for being doctor. Of course, he could have another power role or be mafia himself. IDK

[ghostly447]

There are other ways to test it but not knowing which roles are in the game it would be wifomy at best. As far as ghostly and chap are concerned. Ghostly was in no immediate risk of lynch as far as I could see so I'm not completely sure that stating that he could be the doc was the right move at the time.

I did that because it was stalled and that's what it appeared like to me from re-reading. If I could pick up on it (I'm not the best at breadcrumb type things), then I assumed someone in the mafia could as well. So, I went ahead and put it out there.

Essentially, I cleared ghostly of getting killed by the mafia for being doctor. Of course, he could have another power role or be mafia himself. IDK

Until you bring a case against me, I do not think it was wise to throw it out on the table. As much as it is concerned, I would have rathered stay without someone saying I was probably doc. Because any doc would also hopefully pick up on it and would have blocked me, and hopefully blocked the mafia kill if in fact it would be targeted at me.

Essentially, I feel you stopped a blocked mafia kill. And at the same time are trying to raise yourself up so that if I flip town you look town.

Unvote Vote Chapcrap. I feel that you are trying to connect yourself to a townie so that you MAY be safe if in fact I get killed. Though you are not on 100% sided with me, I still feel this way. So that raises my list to you, CLEVER, and doomyoshi. Cant pin anything substantial on doomyoshi yet, so forget that for now. I am willing to pressure you.

[chapcrap]

So, you vote me because I agreed with you? Great logic.

[ghostly447]

So, you vote me because I agreed with you? Great logic.

You dont agree with me. You dont agree that we should lynch CLEVER, though I have already brought up the logic that leaving him through tonight would only bring harm to the town (cant remember our volunteer to die, but mafia could just as easily kill him and we in turn think that he is dangerous, but still a doctor so he is left alive to kill).

I have already said I voted you because you are trying to point out that, "Essentially, you cleared me of being killed by mafia" when we all know that the mafia can do whatever they want, and nothing clears anyone from potential death to their hands.

Why exactly do you believe CLEVER's claim? I see it as only potential bad due to that Hyde overtakes Jekyll at random times, and therefore maybe is being randomly generated every time. I do not believe CLEVER's claim, and do not agree with you. And the fact that you think I agree with you either means you arent even paying enough attention to your own posts, or you are trying to make me look like I have fake reasons to accuse you with. Correct me if I am wrong.

[safariguy5]

There are other ways to test it but not knowing which roles are in the game it would be wifomy at best. As far as ghostly and chap are concerned. Ghostly was in no immediate risk of lynch as far as I could see so I'm not completely sure that stating that he could be the doc was the right move at the time.

I've usually assumed balancewise that a tracker means we usually have a watcher too. But it's definitely harder to confirm night actions as a watcher.

As for whether a doc should counterclaim, that's pretty tricky. It's still early enough that I think if the real doc outed himself, we could protect him. On the other hand, it's possible the mafia will have some way of nerfing the doc for the rest of the game. Of course, that's assuming Clever is lying about being the doc or is a sanity doc and there is a sane doc as well.

[chapcrap]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Easy. You're voting me because I momentarily agreed that we should lynch CLEVER. Then, when you came out and said that you were not the doctor, I unvoted.

I haven't done anything wrong. You're the one in the minority who is running around trying to get a doctor lynched because your gut tells you what to do. You haven't got any evidence against me. It's just your gut again. My gut tells me that you're full of it.

[ghostly447]

So, you vote me because I agreed with you? Great logic.

You dont agree with me. You dont agree that we should lynch CLEVER, though I have already brought up the logic that leaving him through tonight would only bring harm to the town (cant remember our volunteer to die, but mafia could just as easily kill him and we in turn think that he is dangerous, but still a doctor so he is left alive to kill).

I have already said I voted you because you are trying to point out that, "Essentially, you cleared me of being killed by mafia" when we all know that the mafia can do whatever they want, and nothing clears anyone from potential death to their hands.

Why exactly do you believe CLEVER's claim? I see it as only potential bad due to that Hyde overtakes Jekyll at random times, and therefore maybe is being randomly generated every time. I do not believe CLEVER's claim, and do not agree with you. And the fact that you think I agree with you either means you arent even paying enough attention to your own posts, or you are trying to make me look like I have fake reasons to accuse you with. Correct me if I am wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Easy. You're voting me because I momentarily agreed that we should lynch CLEVER. Then, when you came out and said that you were not the doctor, I unvoted.

I haven't done anything wrong. You're the one in the minority who is running around trying to get a doctor lynched because your gut tells you what to do. You haven't got any evidence against me. It's just your gut again. My gut tells me that you're full of it.

You are completely avoiding the case I made against you. You and I are on separate sides of the spectrum, but you are trying to say that we agreed in one of your previous posts (you know, the one where you said "So you are voting me because I agreed with you? Nice logic there") when really you only agreed with me for about 1 post. Because your gut told you that I was a doctor, and that it should be brought out for all to assume, when really you should look to make me claim before you assume things like that.

Your gut tells you im full of it? Before I claimed non doctor, YOUR gut told you I was doctor. Bold assumptions your making there considering you are completely against lynching our doctor claim. I guess you and I arent too much different on the spectrum except that apparently you assume things just as much as I do. Me with a thought that his claim is fake, and yours with the bold thought that I am a doctor and therefore you must not only express it for all to know, but all of a sudden turn the tables no questions asked? What if he had been a sane doctor, and I was insane? Doesnt that defeat the whole purpose of NOT lynching him? That he may be sane and another doctor isnt sane, etc? Isnt that why we were going to leave him for another turn to do a weak test on if he was or wasnt a sane doctor, etc?

[chapcrap]

My gut told me you were doctor? No, my logic told me that. I already noted how I reasoned through it. If you read back you can find it. You can also find that soundman agreed with my logic.

I reasoned that because why the crap else are you advocating lynching a doctor? Because you're scum?

[ghostly447]

My gut told me you were doctor? No, my logic told me that. I already noted how I reasoned through it. If you read back you can find it. You can also find that soundman agreed with my logic.

I reasoned that because why the crap else are you advocating lynching a doctor? Because you're scum?

Haha. Go ahead and pressure if you have a case. I will defend to the beat of my ability. Until then I do not feel that you saying "because your Mafia?" Is really that powerful of a case.

[jonty125]

Ok, since this has kind of stalled, I want to state an observation that I had after reading through again.

So, in the wake of CLEVER claiming doc, ghostly still did not let up. Even though CLEVER had claimed doc. However, there was no counter claim and ghostly also did not want the doctor to claim. Even through much opposition, ghostly kept on with his attempt against CLEVER.

What do I make of this? Either ghostly is trying to get a doc lynched or ghostly is the real doc. To me, it seems silly for ghostly to continue leading a lynch on a doc if he wasn't the doc. So, unvote vote CLEVER

Because one person is acting strangely he must be right . unvote (if needed) vote chapcrap

[chapcrap]

My gut told me you were doctor? No, my logic told me that. I already noted how I reasoned through it. If you read back you can find it. You can also find that soundman agreed with my logic.

I reasoned that because why the crap else are you advocating lynching a doctor? Because you're scum?

Haha. Go ahead and pressure if you have a case. I will defend to the beat of my ability. Until then I do not feel that you saying "because your Mafia?" Is really that powerful of a case.

Well, if you paid attention you would notice 2 things. First, I didn't make a case on you. Second, if you were going to call it a case, it would be because you are trying to get the doctor lynched. Not because I called you scum.

jonty? Please. I'm the one with logic. I'm not the one trying to lynch a doctor and you vote me?

[strike wolf]

Honestly I trust neither of you right now.

Ghostly has continually pushed for Some7hing's lynch. I don't necessarily disagree with his reasoning (with some exceptions that I don't really want to get into unless I decide to follow through with a case) but his lax attitude for lynching the doc has struck me as scummy.

Chapcrap suggested that Ghostly might be the doctor. His reasoning for doing so was decent and I'm not going to try to tear it apart but now he seems to be misrepresenting ghostly's case against him.

I'd like to hear more from a lot of people in this game. Lately it seems like some are commenting minimally.

[dazza2008]

I really don't like that ghostly is pushing for a doc lynch. I sort of was thinking the same as Chap that ghost might in fact be the doc but since he has now stated he is not it just seems wierd to me to still want to lynch him.

Unvote vote ghostly.

[safariguy5]

I really don't like that ghostly is pushing for a doc lynch. I sort of was thinking the same as Chap that ghost might in fact be the doc but since he has now stated he is not it just seems wierd to me to still want to lynch him.

Unvote vote ghostly.

Yeah, originally, I thought ghostly was the doc and he was trying to breadcrumb that, but since he's now saying he isn't, his rationale for pushing the doc lynch is pretty weak from a logic standpoint. Also, I think ghostly is trying to represent his position of lynching the doc as a majority opinion (which it is not) and then singles out chap for opposing him. Chap's not the only person who thinks lynching a claimed doc is a bad idea, yet ghostly's case relies a lot on the fact that ghostly believes chap is "on the opposite end of the spectrum". A lot of us are, not just chap.

unvote vote ghostly

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Vote Count

MoB Deadly:
dazza2008:
Some7hingCLEVER: 1 (spiesr)
spiesr:
pancakemix:
jonty125:
Victor Sullivan:
new guy1:
chapcrap: 2 (ghostly, jonty)
soundman:
ghostly447: 3 (Doom, dazza, Saf)
safariguy5:
strike wolf:
Doom Yoshi:
la galleta:
NL:

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

-Tails

[ghostly447]

okay everyone. Lets put 2 and 2 together. I claimed not doctor. Since chapcrap is SOOOO easily persuaded that I am the doctor, then I say Im not, but I still believe that CLEVER is scum, what do we have as options.

1. I am being blatantly obvious that I either have a strong feeling about it because of a hunch.
2. I am doing it because I have a power role OTHER than the doctor.
3. I am doing it because I have a power role OTHER than the doctor, and even though nothing is confirmed, my belief is strong enough for me to lead a case against a player who anyone could have called scum before his claim, and leading a case against someone who strongly defended him with weak evidence, and FOS'ed a player who is normally very talkative, but who I havent seen post anything of substance in forever (lets see, whats his name? Doomyoshi? Yeah, where is he?).

So chapcrap, kind of assumptions, what do you have to say about the 3 options I presented?