Debriefing of Game 10476657 (With Photos)

[BOSS_ONE]

P.S. cant wait for the next game report,great idea imho

Thank you for the "great idea" very encouraging.

The next one will be with the premature assault. I want to demonstrate what happens in a perfect game when some one prematurely shoots off their game and why they lose because of it; And why and how others benefit from being so premature about trying to take another player out when the spoils are so low and does not justify the elimination of another player.

That one was like only 7 rounds if I remember correctly but it makes for a nice little lesson I think.

Thanks must go to Viceroy for this superb idea -I for one found it to be very enlightening and has helped no end - I also can't wait for next one.

[Viceroy63]

Round 09 Pink to Play.



Round 09 Cyan to Play with Score Board.



Round 10 Pink to Play with Score Board

10476657 Game Log Round 09 and 10

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2012-02-09 14:11:36 - Incrementing game to round 9
2012-02-09 14:41:27 - bman8397 received 4 troops for 12 regions
2012-02-09 14:41:48 - bman8397 deployed 4 troops on Delhi
2012-02-09 14:41:51 - bman8397 assaulted Dubai from Delhi and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 14:41:54 - bman8397 assaulted Cairo from Dubai and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 14:42:20 - bman8397 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-02-09 17:38:57 - Viceroy63 received 2 troops for holding South America
2012-02-09 17:38:57 - Viceroy63 received 9 troops for 28 regions
2012-02-09 17:39:12 - Viceroy63 deployed 6 troops on Perth
2012-02-09 17:39:20 - Viceroy63 deployed 5 troops on Istanbul
2012-02-09 17:39:23 - Viceroy63 assaulted Cairo from Istanbul and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 17:39:28 - Viceroy63 assaulted Dubai from Cairo and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 17:39:46 - Viceroy63 assaulted Port Moresby from Perth and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 17:39:52 - Viceroy63 assaulted Sydney from Port Moresby and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 17:41:19 - Viceroy63 reinforced Mexico City with 1 troops from Sydney
2012-02-09 17:41:48 - Viceroy63 reinforced Madrid with 1 troops from Dubai
2012-02-09 17:42:33 - Viceroy63 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-02-09 17:42:33 - Incrementing game to round 10
2012-02-09 18:40:18 - bman8397 received 3 troops for 10 regions
2012-02-09 18:41:07 - bman8397 deployed 3 troops on London
2012-02-09 18:41:13 - bman8397 assaulted Berlin from London and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 18:41:39 - bman8397 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-02-09 19:19:46 - Viceroy63 received 2 troops for holding South America
2012-02-09 19:19:46 - Viceroy63 received 2 troops for holding Oceania
2012-02-09 19:19:46 - Viceroy63 received 3 troops for holding Africa
2012-02-09 19:19:46 - Viceroy63 received 10 troops for 31 regions
2012-02-09 19:19:57 - Viceroy63 deployed 4 troops on Mexico City
2012-02-09 19:20:15 - Viceroy63 deployed 6 troops on Dubai
2012-02-09 19:20:28 - Viceroy63 deployed 7 troops on Madrid
2012-02-09 19:20:33 - Viceroy63 assaulted Berlin from Madrid and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 19:20:39 - Viceroy63 assaulted Stockholm from Berlin and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 19:20:43 - Viceroy63 assaulted London from Stockholm and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 19:20:50 - Viceroy63 assaulted Havana from Mexico City and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 19:21:01 - Viceroy63 assaulted Delhi from Dubai and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 19:21:04 - Viceroy63 assaulted Mumbai from Delhi and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 19:22:19 - Viceroy63 reinforced Dubai with 4 troops from Havana
2012-02-09 19:22:35 - Viceroy63 reinforced Dubai with 3 troops from Mumbai
2012-02-09 19:22:45 - Viceroy63 reinforced Dubai with 5 troops from London
2012-02-09 19:23:01 - Viceroy63 reinforced Anchorage with 12 troops from Dubai
2012-02-09 19:23:35 - Viceroy63 ended the turn and got spoils
2012-02-09 19:23:35 - Incrementing game to round 11

Viceroy63 Assessment of Round 09 and 10

Spoiler

By the end of round 08, in what I affectionately call, "The Viceroy Strikes Back" round, Cyan ended up with the population bonus as well as those of South America and Africa. The benefits of these bonuses, is not so much that they give me extra troops, as they do, but also because it gives the opponent something to aim for and to try and break. Which is of course logical because if the opponent does not break those bonuses I can put those extra troops right into his back yard and wreck havoc with just a few extra troops.

The point is that those troops deployed to break my bonuses are diverted or divided from the main force up there in Montreal. If you notice the score board, the statistics board, you see where we both start out with the same 28 troops each but while Pink drops to 20 troops, I increased to 35 troops. Part of the reason for this is that Pink is not only going for just the card and conserving his troops. No; Pink is actively burning up energy and force trying to break my bonuses.

Even so, at this stage of the game where the spoils are now worth 40 troops and up, 08 extra troops do not really mean all that much. At this point in the game, in round 09, Pink and Cyan are both holding three spoils each and no one has a set to trade in. By the end of Round 09 they both each have four spoils trade and still no one has a set of spoils to trade in. It is at the end of round 10 that both players receive their fifth spoils and both have a set to trade yet Pink goes first before Cyan.

An argument could be made that Cyan did benefit from so many bonuses because in those two rounds (09 and 10), Cyan did reap an extra 20 or so troops that Pink did not. It can be said that this might have provided for Cyan's survival because when Pink finally did trade in for 40 troops, Cyan simply had more troops then could be eliminated by Pink. And even so, at this point it is really anyone's game.

Yet one weakness that I want to point out for the benefit of everyone who are learning from this thread; And that is the 11 troops that Pink has in Montreal. They are only 11 troops but they could have made all the difference in the world. There is an old saying, "Use em or Lose em." And no where is this so spelled out and illustrated then in this example. To have troops is one thing but to have troops actively engaging and making contact with the enemy is quite a different story.

Saddam Hussein made the same mistake in the Gulf War with his Imperial Guards. The "BEST" of the best and they were all hiding out underground in hidden bunkers. By the time they saw the Sun again, the Gulf War was over. So be it 11 troops or just 3 or 4, if you can, move them to the front lines where the action is and make them earn their salary. Those inactive 11 troops really bought me the time to survive Pinks onslaught and come back to win the game.

Viceroy63 Game Form for Round 09

Spoiler

Link to Game: Game 10476657

Spoils to turn in:
[r:Moscow]
[b:Los Angeles]
[b:Yakutsk]

Next spoil set value: 40 Troops

Do you have a set of spoils? No.

Your Plans:Round 09
It's just a race now to see who gets a set of spoils first. I gather that Pink still does not have a set from the comment that he made on the game chat.

"2012-02-09 14:43:44 - bman8397: wow the only color to keep me from set"

What I need to know is what would be the best way to attack? What regions?

[Note] My apologies but after this Game form I did not fill out any more. Perhaps I was just plain "cocky" or perhaps I thought that Pink would win having been the first to get the spoils and maybe I figured why bother? I can't really be certain as to why I did not fill out any more game forms so this is it. In the future though, I will fill out the game forms right down to the last round. Suffice it to say that this game ends in round 11 and the game log is self explanatory. But I should have put down my thoughts for posterity.

[dhallmeyer]

Yup. Good analysis.

[Viceroy63]

Round 11 Pink to play with Score Board.



Round 11 Cyan to play with Score Board.

10476657 Game Log Round 11

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2012-02-09 19:23:35 - Incrementing game to round 11
2012-02-09 19:49:48 - bman8397 received 3 troops for 5 regions
2012-02-09 19:49:51 - bman8397 played a set of Tokyo, Havana, and Stockholm worth 40 troops
2012-02-09 19:50:07 - bman8397 deployed 30 troops on Edmonton
2012-02-09 19:50:13 - bman8397 deployed 13 troops on Reykjavik
2012-02-09 19:50:15 - bman8397 assaulted London from Reykjavik and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:16 - bman8397 assaulted Madrid from London and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:18 - bman8397 assaulted Dakar from Madrid and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:21 - bman8397 assaulted Sao Paulo from Dakar and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:24 - bman8397 assaulted Buenos Aires from Sao Paulo and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:27 - bman8397 assaulted Lima from Buenos Aires and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:28 - bman8397 assaulted Bogota from Lima and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:30 - bman8397 assaulted Mexico City from Bogota and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:32 - bman8397 assaulted Havana from Mexico City and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:34 - bman8397 assaulted Los Angeles from Havana and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:35 - bman8397 assaulted Vancouver from Los Angeles and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:39 - bman8397 assaulted Anchorage from Edmonton and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:41 - bman8397 assaulted Magadan from Anchorage and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:45 - bman8397 assaulted Beijing from Magadan and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:46 - bman8397 assaulted Manila from Beijing and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:47 - bman8397 assaulted Hong Kong from Manila and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:49 - bman8397 assaulted Bangkok from Hong Kong and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:52 - bman8397 assaulted Jakarta from Bangkok and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:54 - bman8397 assaulted Perth from Jakarta and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:56 - bman8397 assaulted Sydney from Perth and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:50:58 - bman8397 assaulted Port Moresby from Sydney and conquered it from Viceroy63
2012-02-09 19:51:04 - bman8397 reinforced Bangkok with 10 troops from Montreal
2012-02-09 19:51:06 - bman8397 reinforced Bangkok with 2 troops from Port Moresby
2012-02-09 19:51:08 - bman8397 ended the turn and got spoils

2012-02-09 21:41:38 - Viceroy63 received 5 troops for 16 regions
2012-02-09 21:41:55 - Viceroy63 played a set of Yakutsk, Berlin, and Hong Kong worth 45 troops
2012-02-09 21:41:55 - Viceroy63 got bonus of 2 troops added to Yakutsk
2012-02-09 21:41:55 - Viceroy63 got bonus of 2 troops added to Berlin
2012-02-09 21:42:08 - Viceroy63 deployed 50 troops on Berlin
2012-02-09 21:42:17 - Viceroy63 assaulted London from Berlin and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:42:28 - Viceroy63 assaulted Reykjavik from London and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:42:59 - Viceroy63 assaulted Madrid from London and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:08 - Viceroy63 assaulted Dakar from Madrid and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:12 - Viceroy63 assaulted Sao Paulo from Dakar and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:18 - Viceroy63 assaulted Buenos Aires from Sao Paulo and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:24 - Viceroy63 assaulted Lima from Buenos Aires and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:28 - Viceroy63 assaulted Bogota from Lima and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:45 - Viceroy63 assaulted Mexico City from Bogota and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:43:56 - Viceroy63 assaulted Los Angeles from Mexico City and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:04 - Viceroy63 assaulted Havana from Los Angeles and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:10 - Viceroy63 assaulted New York from Havana and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:17 - Viceroy63 assaulted Montreal from New York and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:21 - Viceroy63 assaulted Chicago from Montreal and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:28 - Viceroy63 assaulted Edmonton from Chicago and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:35 - Viceroy63 assaulted Vancouver from Edmonton and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:43 - Viceroy63 assaulted Anchorage from Vancouver and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:53 - Viceroy63 assaulted Magadan from Anchorage and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:44:57 - Viceroy63 assaulted Beijing from Magadan and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:03 - Viceroy63 assaulted Manila from Beijing and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:12 - Viceroy63 assaulted Hong Kong from Manila and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:16 - Viceroy63 assaulted Bangkok from Hong Kong and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:24 - Viceroy63 assaulted Jakarta from Bangkok and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:36 - Viceroy63 assaulted Perth from Jakarta and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:40 - Viceroy63 assaulted Port Moresby from Perth and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:46 - Viceroy63 assaulted Sydney from Port Moresby and conquered it from bman8397
2012-02-09 21:45:46 - Viceroy63 eliminated bman8397 from the game
2012-02-09 21:45:46 - bman8397 lost 20 points
2012-02-09 21:45:46 - Viceroy63 gained 20 points
2012-02-09 21:45:46 - Viceroy63 won the game

Viceroy63 Assessment of Round 11

Spoiler

We come now to the final round where it can be noted that this game could have been won by Pink. Pink got a set of spoils worth 40 troops Plus 3 troops for 5 regions for a total of 43 troops. The only problem is that Cyan has a total of 49 troops on the board. It is a physical impossibility to eliminate Cyan's 49 troops with only 43 troops. But had Pink's original 11 troops in Montreal been more retro-active in this round, it would then had been a total of 54 Pink troops versus 49 Cyan's troops. Then it could have been possible.

Realizing that he could not eliminate Cyan, Pinks plan in round 11 is to wait and see if he can survive Cyan's Counter assault and hope that he might get the next spoils trade for 50 troops first, again. But even if we assume that Pink survives the counter assault, Cyan would still maintain the population bonus plus several of the Bonus Zones which in itself would offset the balance so that should Pink find that he does not have any spoils in a hypothetical round 12, then Cyan's Bonus troops alone, could very well spelled the end of the game for Pink. Otherwise Pink could still have won.

As it turn out, When Cyan turned in his spoils for 45 troops to combine them with the 5 troops for the 16 regions plus the 2 bonus troops on Berlin, Cyan then had a total of 52 troops to take on Pink's 38. More then enough for the job at hand. Bad dice not withstanding of course. Notice that I deployed all the troops on Berlin (Where I had received 2 bonus troops for Berlin) for maximum concentration of force. The rest is history. And if anyone cares to see a Cyan world? The link is just below...

Game 10476657

I thank you all for following this thread and I hope that you all found it enjoyable and educational. I have posted an article about being aware at all times in another thread. It is in a discussion thread should anyone feel a desire to discuss game strategy and all. Below is the link...

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=166338

Good Game to all and continue to Conquer on.

[dhallmeyer]

Good point about moving troops to the front lines. May have turned the game.

[Viceroy63]

Wow! I almost had forgotten all about this thread.

Yes; My avoiding contact with those troops did allow me to regroup my forces. None of us had spoils right away at the end so it was a race for spoils as well but those troops stuck in the middle with no way out could not do much damage and by then I was receiving BZ bonuses.

How different this game could have been had those troops come into contact with mine earlier?

[Kiwi_NZ]

another great report, sadly I was on the tail end of a good old VR whopping