Team games Invite Abuse

[BGtheBrain]

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[jghost7]

lol

Hilarious how you want to get it moved to the suggestions forum and try to say not to make it personal. The comparison to the "law" is because on this site, the rules are the law. lol, " I am Spartacus!" f*ck you just because.

Its also funny how the players using the questionable tactics are fine, and you blame the game feature instead. (Who said anything about the players? I am sure that I did not say that. In fact, my discussion was on the actual problem and not focusing on shit that is irrelevant. Don't try to speak for me.

As for the 3 cases which I showed where this type of behavior can be punished, they are just facts. Not really open to your non-important opinion on the matter. (f*ck you if you think this is the case.) You must think your opinion is Godlike since everyone who disagrees with you is non-important. They are facts of how a someone played within the allowable rule of the site, but took advantage of it to create an unfair advantage. sniff... so what? Some things could have been handled better. Facts? Fact is that they happened. Were they handled in the best way? I don't think so , but time will tell if it matters enough...

It only seems simple to you, because you are taking a simple interpretation of the rules to conveniently remove any fault from your clan mates.(f*ck you if you think this is the case. The fact that they are my clan mates is irrelevant. You are truly a dickhead for posting this. My arguments are sound. And once again I wasn't arguing fault, I was simply stating that the problem lies in the way the gametype is run. )

Grow up and place blame where it should be placed.(f*ck you, I stated that the gametype is the problem and that the issue would be best resolved in suggestions instead of you being a dumbass and trying to twist my message around and try to piss me off....job well done btw.. .)

They know what they are doing, you know what they are doing.( They are playing the game. )

The rules only have to be as long as they need to be to prevent people like your clan mates from exploiting them. (Again f*ck you. Another flame referring to my clan mates. f*ck you for trying to make me needlessly repeat myself.

Anyways, eventually someone will report them. I wish them luck. It may be cleared once, maybe twice, but like I said. Rules evolve, eventually they'll need to stop, or they'll end up in trouble like the rest of the players who find a way to do things like this.(f*ck your luck. I am assuming that you will try your best to flay anyone from my clan. lol, f*ck you for that too.

You wish to bait and flame instead of argue the point? What a dick. Fine, I will take your baits/flames and fling them back at you since I am in the mood today. Mr. Cheating and Abuse Mod you are setting a fine example of posting and I am following in your footsteps. It seems you have a personal thing against my clan, and that is fine. Using that fact to suggest that I can't have an my own opinion is a bait/flame. Using that fact and suggesting that my clan invented or are the only ones doing that is ignorant and also bait/flame. Suggesting I need to grow up and that I have to put blame where you see it is ignorant, stupid, and also a bait/flame. Twisting my message and suggesting that I don't have my own opinion due to the fact that I am in a clan you dislike is douche move as well. You truly showed your colors as a representative of the Cheating and Abuse team. I sincerely hope that the rest of the group are not like you. Open your eyes and try not to go forward with blinders on.

Thanks,

J

[BGtheBrain]

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[BGtheBrain]

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[KoolBak]

I think it's bonus funny that so many of these pack dudes are adults; I would see teens as the ones obsessed with rank - bet they're totally normal in RL

*happily continues playing sequentially, with friends*

[jghost7]

lol

Just because I am a mod doesnt mean I cant have an opinion on something.

I havent baited or flamed or twisted your message, but whatever. All I did was counter your weak arguments.

I dont have anything personal against your clan, I actually havent met any of them (I dont think) All I know about them is the reputaiton of your clan.

Anyways, I have nothign else to say to you. Clearly you are not capable of having a calm discussion if people dont agree with you, you take it personal and over react.

LOL, you once again ignore everything. LOL, that is fine. No one mentioned anything about your opinion. Your mention as mod was for the baits and flames you presented. You can ignore them if you wish, but that doesn't make them go away. As for my supposed weak arguments, You have not presented anything against them. How can you say you countered anything? If what I said about the freestyle mode is so wrong, then why have you not argued against it? Reread my statements. Start at my first one in this subject. You have not countered anything, and in fact are switching the focus from the issue to the distraction.

Also review your posts and see if you can see where it could be viewed as flame or bait. lol, whatever you say about the Pack doesn't really matter, and if you are going to base your opinion on your so called view of our reputation, it just further shows ignorance.

If you doubt my ability to have a calm discussion if people don't agree with me , check all of my posts. If you had, that statement should have never come out....I am glad you have nothing else to say to me, because if what you have already posted is any indication, It probably would have ignored everything and repeated your opinion with some offensive statements mixed in.
LOL
No worries, I will await your attempt to get me warned for your baits and my response.

Thanks,

J

[Chariot of Fire]

To BGtheBrain.....

Very well put, from your first post through all subsequent (which shouldn't have been necessary) ones.

[betiko]

Guys calm down; but as i said before; if we don't want all this to turn into a big C&A nightmare, because the GLG case, why don't we create a thread or something that lists all the breaches in CC? there sure are a lot of them!

we then need lackattack to create restrictions in games settings to cover those breaches. if things are not allowed to do, well then why are the settings possible to do?

just go on join games; there are always tons of freestyle games with braddy and profits on das schloss and IA guys on galapagos or waterloo, pirlo on monsters, no survivors on oasis, jsnyder on das schloss... any day!!

most of the known CC players have their own little ranching techniques for points gathering. go look at the win rates on all the type of games mentioned above. these are clearly for points gathering and taking advantage of players.
Are we going to witch hunt all this too? are these players doing only this?? the answer is no; they are not 100% dedicated to these settings.
it's pocket money. do I give a f*ck of the noobs losing 10 points? no. you guys don't either. you just don't want players to win easy points.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Sniper08]

I got a solution: when both teams joined a freestyle, the game should not be able to start before 12 or 24h. like this there is no advantage into joining last and everyone is aware of the start time of the game. if you don't show up, well that's just too bad.
after don't blame a team to be more organized than the other, because isn't that the point of a team??

i think this is the easiest way to solve most problems people have with freestyle.

while not having one person on team one accepting an invite until team 2 has joined IS a cheap tactic its not against the rules(it should be). These ranching tactics need to stopped by the C&A team.

I think KA and the rest of the C&A mods need to come up with a comprehensive list of what is cheating/abuse of the game.Sure people will always find ways to get around the system but that doesnt mean you stop trying to make the system better.

[jghost7]

Guys calm down; but as i said before; if we don't want all this to turn into a big C&A nightmare, because the GLG case...
we then need lackattack to create restrictions in games settings to cover those breaches. if things are not allowed to do, well then why are the settings possible to do?

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most of the known CC players have their own little ranching techniques for points gathering. go look at the win rates on all the type of games mentioned above. these are clearly for points gathering and taking advantage of players.
Are we going to witch hunt all this too? are these players doing only this?? the answer is no; they are not 100% dedicated to these settings.
it's pocket money. do I give a f*ck of the noobs losing 10 points? no. you guys don't either. you just don't want players to win easy points.

LOL, This is exactly what I was saying. Thanks.

...If you would change it, then you must change the setup of freestyle and have the countdown as was suggested earlier. This would be a fine suggestion. Or even remove invites from freestyle as they do in speed games. I am not a fan of freestyle therefore I do not play it often. I suggest, if you are having a hard time with it, that you do the same. Move on over to the Suggestions forum and see if you can solve the problem in that venue. ...

Thanks,

J

[L M S]

There is an even easier way to fix all the crazy stuff going on guys.

How about all the things we all understand to be a shitty way to play the game, weather or not they are listed as against the rules, are punished...on the first offense, with a point reset or week ban or something (but not a premium strip). Lets stop coddling these people.
Look, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that what some folks do is shady (even disguised as a medal chase or whatever...), worst of all they know its shady but not "against the rules." I say eff-it. The big problem is that we have tied the hands of KA into a knot with the rules.
I say we use the old 'unwritten rules clause' and fix all this damn mess.
It won't take but a few of them to right the ship and someone eventually has to be the example. Once this happens a few times the old ways will go away, it simply won't be worth it because it wont work as a mechanism to get to the top of the scoreboard anymore.

If it makes it more 'fair', lets create a 5 judge panel of people, just like in the real world, people are voted on the panel by the members to decide if what you are doing is shady...keep in mind that 'ignorance is no defense', when a player is doing shady shit...they know it, trust me. If the panel is in agreement punishment is handed down with a point reset and a week ban (never a premium strip). Take these obvious cases out of the C&A forum so they can more effectively do their work.
King Achilles and Andy would always be on the panel.
Once a year we can have a nomination process, followed by a vote of the community...the entire thing can take no more than a week to finish.

The simplest solution is always the best.

[Sniper08]

The big problem is that we have tied the hands of KA into a knot with the rules.
I say we use the old 'unwritten rules clause' and fix all this damn mess.

the problem with that is what if someone is punished by the mods in a borderline case that people liked then there would be mass uproar demanding KA be restricted in what he can do.

[L M S]

The big problem is that we have tied the hands of KA into a knot with the rules.
I say we use the old 'unwritten rules clause' and fix all this damn mess.

the problem with that is what if someone is punished by the mods in a borderline case that people liked then there would be mass uproar demanding KA be restricted in what he can do.

That's what you don't leave it up to only KA. 5 people and majority rules, the other three DONT have to be mods..... That's also why you don't strip premium for it, just a HARD slap on the wrist with a point reset (so it was a total waste of time anyway) and a week long ban with no sitters (which would result in a lot more point loss, dead beating all your games most likely and making it worthless to play shady games in the first place, not to mention REALLY pissing off your clan/team mates).

We just make it not worth it, cause that's the argument now, that its worth the risk because nothing really happens.

[jghost7]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

[tsioumiou]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

You really dont understand the point of this. I dont even think you understand the kind of abuse we are talking about.

You are talking about freestyle in general. We are talking about something very specific.

Open a new thread if you want to complain about freestly in general

[Sniper08]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

You really dont understand the point of this. I dont even think you understand the kind of abuse we are talking about.

You are talking about freestyle in general. We are talking about something very specific.

Open a new thread if you want to complain about freestly in general

this thread is about invite abuse but you cant have invite abuse without freestyle so the discussion about freestyle is valid in this thread.

[KoolBak]

Circular logic is cool

Here's another great example

"Only an untrustworthy person would run for office. The fact that politicians are untrustworthy is proof of this."

[betiko]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

+1.

team freestyle is just silly and needs a time to start round 1, that's it. it's abuse or be abused. in that case, just technically change the way a game starts.
also freestlye and sequential are 2 different games, and if people care so much about the scoreboard, well just seperate both rankings!!

freestyle has so many loopholes in which people get into...

for example, i m sure the acuser in this thread would never be a brig if it wasn't for freestyle games and that simmons, sweeney and tec kick his ass everyday in a sequential team game. they are just ahead of him in the ranking so he's not happy; but all his freestyle games that braught him up there on the scoreboard are ok for him.

FREESTYLE BY ITSELF IS GROSS ABUSE.

[codeblue1018]

I really don't think that it should really be that difficult to tweak the freestyle format so that this is not an issue anymore. The first turn timer, or even the removal of invites from freestyle, or another easy tweak should not be that complicated. Then the freestyle issue goes away.

I don't think I like the idea of being judged by unwritten rules. It allows for wide interpretations of what someone can and can't do. Plus, I think someone should know what they should or shouldn't do prior to being penalized for it. I do understand what LMS is saying, but if we went that route, then the possibilities for abuse or even judgement calls to vary on the same issues will likely occur. Like Sniper was saying, cries of favoritism would arise and it would still be a mess.

It is just a game. I think that perhaps we may need to try this viewpoint and not take ourselves too seriously. Let us look if there is a way to fix the game so that these types of discussions can be obsolete and we can focus on ways to improve everyone's game experience by improving the site rather than focusing on rules and finding ways to get players banned.

thanks,

J

+1.

team freestyle is just silly and needs a time to start round 1, that's it. it's abuse or be abused. in that case, just technically change the way a game starts.
also freestlye and sequential are 2 different games, and if people care so much about the scoreboard, well just seperate both rankings!!

freestyle has so many loopholes in which people get into...

for example, i m sure the acuser in this thread would never be a brig if it wasn't for freestyle games and that simmons, sweeney and tec kick his ass everyday in a sequential team game. they are just ahead of him in the ranking so he's not happy; but all his freestyle games that braught him up there on the scoreboard are ok for him.

FREESTYLE BY ITSELF IS GROSS ABUSE.

Really???? You honestly think this thread is about a Player that is bitter because other people are higher in rank? Cmon man; do you honestly think it's hard to club the scoreboard mate? You are seriously mistaken if this is your thought process. Fact is; it's easy to rank up on freestyle games, trust me. If ALOT of freestyle players played as Tec currently is, for example, the 20th spot on the scoreboard would be 4000 points, lol. When freestyle wasn't an option here, you never saw scores like they are today; what does that tell you? This thread was made due soley to the cheap ways Tec and team uses on freestyle trips, dubs or whatever that causes the opposing team to lose almost immediately not jealousy mate. I sound like a broken record, but what is it that you fail to grasp here?

[jghost7]

Really???? You honestly think this thread is about a Player that is bitter because other people are higher in rank? Cmon man; do you honestly think it's hard to club the scoreboard mate? You are seriously mistaken if this is your thought process. Fact is; it's easy to rank up on freestyle games, trust me. If ALOT of freestyle players played as Tec currently is, for example, the 20th spot on the scoreboard would be 4000 points, lol. When freestyle wasn't an option here, you never saw scores like they are today; what does that tell you? This thread was made due soley to the cheap ways Tec and team uses on freestyle trips, dubs or whatever that causes the opposing team to lose almost immediately not jealousy mate. I sound like a broken record, but what is it that you fail to grasp here?

I don't think it has much to do with a single disgruntled player. And, I also understand the players who feel that this is a cheap method. I just don't agree with their way of solving the problem. They would prefer to yank the players down for doing this rather than looking at the bigger picture and making the fix that will keep this issue from being an issue at all.

Thanks,

J

[betiko]

Really???? You honestly think this thread is about a Player that is bitter because other people are higher in rank? Cmon man; do you honestly think it's hard to club the scoreboard mate? You are seriously mistaken if this is your thought process. Fact is; it's easy to rank up on freestyle games, trust me. If ALOT of freestyle players played as Tec currently is, for example, the 20th spot on the scoreboard would be 4000 points, lol. When freestyle wasn't an option here, you never saw scores like they are today; what does that tell you? This thread was made due soley to the cheap ways Tec and team uses on freestyle trips, dubs or whatever that causes the opposing team to lose almost immediately not jealousy mate. I sound like a broken record, but what is it that you fail to grasp here?

I don't think it has much to do with a single disgruntled player. And, I also understand the players who feel that this is a cheap method. I just don't agree with their way of solving the problem. They would prefer to yank the players down for doing this rather than looking at the bigger picture and making the fix that will keep this issue from being an issue at all.

Thanks,

J

exactly jghost.
also codeblue i think you don't get my point and you are saying something about freestyle games that basically rejoins what i posted, but my thought process is flawed. whatever!

[codeblue1018]

Really???? You honestly think this thread is about a Player that is bitter because other people are higher in rank? Cmon man; do you honestly think it's hard to club the scoreboard mate? You are seriously mistaken if this is your thought process. Fact is; it's easy to rank up on freestyle games, trust me. If ALOT of freestyle players played as Tec currently is, for example, the 20th spot on the scoreboard would be 4000 points, lol. When freestyle wasn't an option here, you never saw scores like they are today; what does that tell you? This thread was made due soley to the cheap ways Tec and team uses on freestyle trips, dubs or whatever that causes the opposing team to lose almost immediately not jealousy mate. I sound like a broken record, but what is it that you fail to grasp here?

I don't think it has much to do with a single disgruntled player. And, I also understand the players who feel that this is a cheap method. I just don't agree with their way of solving the problem. They would prefer to yank the players down for doing this rather than looking at the bigger picture and making the fix that will keep this issue from being an issue at all.

Thanks,

J

I agree J; the bigger picture is the main goal here; not to throw mud at others. I just think the current system is flawed whereas some don't. We can agree to disagree on that. There have been some good ideas mentioned thus far; hopefully they can be implemented in the short term.

[codeblue1018]

Really???? You honestly think this thread is about a Player that is bitter because other people are higher in rank? Cmon man; do you honestly think it's hard to club the scoreboard mate? You are seriously mistaken if this is your thought process. Fact is; it's easy to rank up on freestyle games, trust me. If ALOT of freestyle players played as Tec currently is, for example, the 20th spot on the scoreboard would be 4000 points, lol. When freestyle wasn't an option here, you never saw scores like they are today; what does that tell you? This thread was made due soley to the cheap ways Tec and team uses on freestyle trips, dubs or whatever that causes the opposing team to lose almost immediately not jealousy mate. I sound like a broken record, but what is it that you fail to grasp here?

I don't think it has much to do with a single disgruntled player. And, I also understand the players who feel that this is a cheap method. I just don't agree with their way of solving the problem. They would prefer to yank the players down for doing this rather than looking at the bigger picture and making the fix that will keep this issue from being an issue at all.

Thanks,

J

exactly jghost.
also codeblue i think you don't get my point and you are saying something about freestyle games that basically rejoins what i posted, but my thought process is flawed. whatever!

I do understand what you said and my post doesn't rejoins yours. Freestyle play ISN'T gross abuse unless people utilize cheap tactics especially in casual games. Speed games, not so much as ALL players are playing together. Maybe a fix to that is limit freestyle to speed games? I don't know, just a thought.

[betiko]

even though; player's computer/conection is too important in speed games and makes it a gross abuse in my perspective. people that play lots of 1vs1 speeders and are really good at it are really fast but mostly have really fast machines/conections.

it's like doing a race with a stalion or a donkey, and this is then reflected on the scoreboard. and tsoumiou who created this thread seems to be a big freestyle player and wins lots of games like that.

I personally know that if i don't end assaults with 12s left i miss my spoil because the whole thing is too slow to process. these point losses/wins are just counted the same way as sequential and it's purely bs.