Power Role Draft Mafia - Town Wins!

[Djfireside]

I know that me bringing up that piece of information it would bring about this and thats why I wanted to be sure to gather everything I could before I brought it to light. I was out this weekend at the hospital but glad I didnt miss much on it. As for my own defense, If you follow my path of logic through all of day 2 I was attempting to get to this point because based on my list I knew where the JOAT was at least. Some noted it throughout so at least it was somewhat seen. I know one of them is lying and both have attempted to cover themselves but I took it as they were top of list and automatic targets.

[ghostly447]

Randomly, I say pressure drunkmonkey due to his status of lowest amount of posts total out of the 3 of them. I dont know if anything will come of it, but that is just my input. I do nto see any way we can proceed besides at least finding out which one is the JOAT because if we dont find that out then we are going to be leaving a (apparent) mafia who doesnt want to claim.

I was out of town the past two days, as posted in the vacation thread. I have a post coming soon.

Alrighty, I recall seeing that, sorry .

Then I got nothing .

[drunkmonkey]

I am the town doublevoter. I was told this was MoB's first choice. I will prove this with a vote on myself in the next vote count.

So, here's what we're working with:

Alt1978 – 11
MoB – 14 (replaced by drunkmonkey)
Djfireside – 17
Soundman – 22
Nagerous - 6

Djfireside claims the JOAT was picked before him.
nagerous claims the JOAT was picked before him.
soundman has claimed vig.
Alt1978 claims he is not JOAT.

The actual JOAT is not just avoiding a claim, but flat out lying, which makes him scum in my eyes. Below, I'll give my breakdown of the possible liars.

A) Djfireside
2 possible scenarios here:
1) Djfireside is JOAT.
2) nagerous or soundman is JOAT, and Djfireside is covering for them. I find this less likely, because it's basically trading 2 mafia for one townie once we realize the mislynch.

B) Alt1978
A lie by Alt1978 is simple - he's the JOAT

C) soundman
A lie by soundman means that he's covering for the actual mafia vig. Since JOAT's kill ability is gone, the vig is a more important role for them to keep. However, he claimed before the JOAT-hunt, so I'm not sure about the chances of this. As I said earlier, this also means Djfireside assisted with the lie.


Djfireside was the first to claim that JOAT was picked before him, placing the blame on Alt1978 or me. If we both have solid claims, he's just hung himself. If he's lying, he could have just as easily said JOAT wasn't at the top of his list, and kept us guessing at who it really was.

vote Alt1978
We need to pressure one (or both) of you to find who's lying, and you're at the top of my list.

[spiesr]

One possible scenario that you neglected. You are the JOAT, and lying about being the Double Voter. In order for that to work one of your scum mates will have to be the double voter and be covering for you with his vote. (Assuming that the double vote actually appears as you say.)

[drunkmonkey]

One possible scenario that you neglected. You are the JOAT, and lying about being the Double Voter. In order for that to work one of your scum mates will have to be the double voter and be covering for you with his vote. (Assuming that the double vote actually appears as you say.)

You are correct. However, I will point out that it's against the rules of the game (by my understanding) to contact anyone outside the game thread during the day. So that would also require me trusting that my scumbuddy would read my post before Rodion puts up a vote count. Even in the case I'm a lying, conniving scum - I'm not a cheater.

It's still worth pressuring Alt1978 and/or Djfireside to see if one of them slips up with their claim.

[pmchugh]

I don't really think the claim was necessary drunk, I would have preferred you to present a case for alt relying on scumhunting. It is impossible for someone to counter claim though so I guess that helps.

Unfortunately I can't see us getting away without the other two claiming atm. I guess it is a question of whether dj or alt claims first. I think the trick is getting the first one to claim so that they get counter claimed by someone other than each other. This would almost certainly mean they were mafia. (or else we have caught two of them)

In this respect I say alt goes first as dj is more likely to know what role alt has and therefore more likely to correctly CC.

[drunkmonkey]

I don't really think the claim was necessary drunk, I would have preferred you to present a case for alt relying on scumhunting. It is impossible for someone to counter claim though so I guess that helps.

Unfortunately I can't see us getting away without the other two claiming atm. I guess it is a question of whether dj or alt claims first. I think the trick is getting the first one to claim so that they get counter claimed by someone other than each other. This would almost certainly mean they were mafia. (or else we have caught two of them)

In this respect I say alt goes first as dj is more likely to know what role alt has and therefore more likely to correctly CC.

Well, I didn't have a case based on anything but the JOAT claims. If I presented my case without claiming, one could make the exact same case about me that I made on Alt. Maybe it was a mistake, but I didn't see much harm in claiming my role, since mafia probably don't care about it much.

[Djfireside]

I am the town doublevoter. I was told this was MoB's first choice. I will prove this with a vote on myself in the next vote count.

So, here's what we're working with:

Alt1978 – 11
MoB – 14 (replaced by drunkmonkey)
Djfireside – 17
Soundman – 22
Nagerous - 6

Djfireside claims the JOAT was picked before him.
nagerous claims the JOAT was picked before him.
soundman has claimed vig.
Alt1978 claims he is not JOAT.

The actual JOAT is not just avoiding a claim, but flat out lying, which makes him scum in my eyes. Below, I'll give my breakdown of the possible liars.

A) Djfireside
2 possible scenarios here:
1) Djfireside is JOAT.
2) nagerous or soundman is JOAT, and Djfireside is covering for them. I find this less likely, because it's basically trading 2 mafia for one townie once we realize the mislynch.

B) Alt1978
A lie by Alt1978 is simple - he's the JOAT

C) soundman
A lie by soundman means that he's covering for the actual mafia vig. Since JOAT's kill ability is gone, the vig is a more important role for them to keep. However, he claimed before the JOAT-hunt, so I'm not sure about the chances of this. As I said earlier, this also means Djfireside assisted with the lie.


Djfireside was the first to claim that JOAT was picked before him, placing the blame on Alt1978 or me. If we both have solid claims, he's just hung himself. If he's lying, he could have just as easily said JOAT wasn't at the top of his list, and kept us guessing at who it really was.

vote Alt1978
We need to pressure one (or both) of you to find who's lying, and you're at the top of my list.

I am unsure which one is lying unfortunately but one of the things you said makes me feel a bit uncomfortable and makes me think you are lying and here are my reasons for it.

Note: I still hold ALT to same point but just judging by what you stated thus far here are my feelings as to how this looks a bit scummy

1) Double voter as a first pick, some could have pushed it up to the front but didnt see this being a top winner and would be more of a lower role, I had it 14th and judging this by how I see it. You cant defend this part since you are a replacement so cant hold you to this.

2) If Mafia hold the double voter role you can easily claim it without a problem and they can vote for you showing that it is held and by working together on that you can try to bulletproof a scum case and just by that statement and your position leads to me to believe you are lying


Im going to give ALT a time to come and speak before this turns into a one sided case but

FOS Drunk

[Rodion]

Simplified vote count

ghostly447 - everywhere116, edocsil, nagerous (L-4)
Alt1978 - drunkmonkey
drunkmonkey - ???

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

If I missed your vote, please let me know and post it in red for future reference!

[nagerous]

I definitely want to hear from alt before I post my views

[spiesr]

Drunkmonkey, can you explain why you choose to use your extra vote to vote for yourself?

[drunkmonkey]

Drunkmonkey, can you explain why you choose to use your extra vote to vote for yourself?

I simply used it to show I had it. I could have placed it on anyone - the target had no meaning.

[drunkmonkey]

I just moved it to alt. I realize if you think I'm plotting with a scum partner, you could think I'm just as easily still coordinating with them. I don't know how else to prove my claim.

[Rodion]

Simplified vote count

ghostly447 - everywhere116, edocsil, nagerous (L-4)
Alt1978 - drunkmonkey, ???

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

If I missed your vote, please let me know and post it in red for future reference.

[dazza2008]

I believe drunk is what he says. I know he could still be scum but I think we need to find the JOAT. Alt needs to claim.

[edocsil]

I just moved it to alt. I realize if you think I'm plotting with a scum partner, you could think I'm just as easily still coordinating with them. I don't know how else to prove my claim.

Yeah, you're the doublevoter. We get it, don't worry. Sure doesn't mean you aren't scum imo, but it does mean you will not be getting hung over this joat business.

[Djfireside]

I just moved it to alt. I realize if you think I'm plotting with a scum partner, you could think I'm just as easily still coordinating with them. I don't know how else to prove my claim.

Yeah, you're the doublevoter. We get it, don't worry. Sure doesn't mean you aren't scum imo, but it does mean you will not be getting hung over this joat business.

I agree you have proven that you can move the vote around which proves its there. I checked at the time you were playing it and there were others online as well so Im not discounting the fact you could be working with someone else including one that came to your defense.

I still want to he

I just moved it to alt. I realize if you think I'm plotting with a scum partner, you could think I'm just as easily still coordinating with them. I don't know how else to prove my claim.

Yeah, you're the doublevoter. We get it, don't worry. Sure doesn't mean you aren't scum imo, but it does mean you will not be getting hung over this joat business.

I agree you have proven that you can move the vote around which proves its there. I checked at the time you were playing it and there were others online as well so Im not discounting the fact you could be working with someone else including one that came to your defense.

I still want to hear what ALT says but am still a bit tied as to if you are in fact the double voter. Why a townie would have chosen that as a first role? I just cant see that being a lead choice for a townie which keeps me on the point that you are fake claiming it and as stated earlier this puts you in a bad spot you cant defend I understand but cant help but think in the overall point.

As stated before Im waiting to see what Alt has to say and I have made my point on Drunk so no need to beat my random thoughts like a dead horse.

[alt1978]

There is a lot of heat and just to clarify...folks wanting to hear from me want a claim? I am not opposed to it but don't want to claim unnecessarily.

[alt1978]

Well...actually in thinking about it i think know the answer to my previous question. Also...being a kentucky guy...i'm going to be getting my lucky tee shirt ready and prepping to sit in my lucky chair so that we can finally win this eighth national championship tonight. A loss tonight however would ensure that i'm in no condition to get on here...so I am going to go ahead with the claiming.

I am the cop.

My reason for choosing the role is that it seems like a powerful one...one that would be fun to play...and one that would be useful to the town.

Day one ghostly seemed highly suspicious to me...so i used my investigative power to inspect ghostly. He came up INNOCENT. Day two...when PMC started his crusade against ghostly...i tried to bend the attention away from ghostly...using the numbers rationalization (which i still think holds valid analysis) while not revealing that I am in fact the cop. It didn't seem smart to come out and blurt out the fact that I am the cop to save ghostly...his role didn't seem that vital...but maybe what I did was enough to save him. At any rate...it seems he safe for now.

Anyhow...there is no cathartic moment in typing this up...it was a great play by DJ to claim he had JOAT first on his list to force number one and number two to claim. With the doctor gone...and the cop exposed...I'm not all that optimistic about where we are. It's also going to be hard to put together a dj/soundman case with all of the messy chaos that has unfolded.

Judging by DJ's play, I think that is the best place to start.

Vote Djfireside

Cop would have no use as a mafia role...i would assume by knowing each other they would not need the investigative power...unless it was to have it so town didn't...

[ghostly447]

To be honest, DrunkMonkey is nowhere near cleared yet. There are so many options, that I dont even want to post them, but I will.

1.Drunkmonkey is lying, put doublevoter first to ensure a double vote should they make it to the final round
2.DJ is lying and therefore is the JOAT and Drunkmonkey tried to deflect attention away from DJ towards alt to get a claim and maintain a relatively low profile
3.Nag is lying and has now opened up our entire grouping a little more to the point we could be digging a bit longer
4.Drunk took the fake claim of a scumbuddy who has not yet been called out, and waited to post while his scumbuddy was active enough to change the votes around

And many many more. I think that alt is definitely clear (I do not feel the mafia would go for cop, but who knows, maybe they would to clear, in this case, me and alt completely).

DJ is on the fire IMO and Drunk is not quite cleared of being scum.

I will vote DJ once I am sure I wont push him to being lynched

[Djfireside]

Give me a bit on this one cause I will be long...

[Djfireside]

Well...actually in thinking about it i think know the answer to my previous question. Also...being a kentucky guy...i'm going to be getting my lucky tee shirt ready and prepping to sit in my lucky chair so that we can finally win this eighth national championship tonight. A loss tonight however would ensure that i'm in no condition to get on here...so I am going to go ahead with the claiming.

I am the cop.

My reason for choosing the role is that it seems like a powerful one...one that would be fun to play...and one that would be useful to the town.

Day one ghostly seemed highly suspicious to me...so i used my investigative power to inspect ghostly. He came up INNOCENT. Day two...when PMC started his crusade against ghostly...i tried to bend the attention away from ghostly...using the numbers rationalization (which i still think holds valid analysis) while not revealing that I am in fact the cop. It didn't seem smart to come out and blurt out the fact that I am the cop to save ghostly...his role didn't seem that vital...but maybe what I did was enough to save him. At any rate...it seems he safe for now.

Anyhow...there is no cathartic moment in typing this up...it was a great play by DJ to claim he had JOAT first on his list to force number one and number two to claim. With the doctor gone...and the cop exposed...I'm not all that optimistic about where we are. It's also going to be hard to put together a dj/soundman case with all of the messy chaos that has unfolded.

Judging by DJ's play, I think that is the best place to start.

Vote Djfireside

Cop would have no use as a mafia role...i would assume by knowing each other they would not need the investigative power...unless it was to have it so town didn't...

Really Now? You are claiming cop? Well how interesting because I am the Cop. I guess Ill post all my evidence first since I have debunk your claim.

My list is as follows:

1st - JOAT
2rd - cop
3rd - vigilante
4th - inventor
5th - busdriver
6th - bomb
7th - mason
8th - 1-shot governor
9th - commuter
10th - loved person
11th - watcher
12th - tracker
13th - doctor
14nd - doublevoter
15th - roleblocker

On night one I investigated Ragian.

I know the JOAT is above me which leads between ALT and Drunk as stated and with ALT false claiming I have to go with him at this point and while I thought drunk was playing a elaborate game (Which I thought was awesome if that was the case), I cant disprove his but I can disprove Alt and with the lie its common sense there.

Vote Alt

[Djfireside]

On a side note while I was thinking about it a part i didnt add was what does the blue part of your PM state Alt? Since we can normally quote those, that may be a good point to test.

[spiesr]

On a side note while I was thinking about it a part i didnt add was what does the blue part of your PM state Alt? Since we can normally quote those, that may be a good point to test.

I am not 100% sure, but I don't think you can ask that...

[Djfireside]

I have gotten the base rules confused here and there but I will concede that as I dont want to go down the road of is this legal or not so I remove that remark. I believe that colors you could reveal but that was it but as stated I remove that question just to keep things clean and I dont want to derail anything on this