Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[thechuck51]

just realized that doom was probably busdriven night 1 with freezie.

[jak111]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

couple things i don't like about your claims...

-are you a tracker or are you a protection role? you are claiming you can do both.

-the one that got away was wearing a white coat. this doesnt fit with neo though.

Well I'll let town maul over it in their heads to what I mean if they read the scenes. Just because I'm giving out a lot of our cards, does not mean I will give them all out. Mafia still doesn't know some things about us that give us the advantage.

If you're so worried Chuck, either vote us or re-read the scenes or wait for counter claims. I've offered what role I am, and who I tracked N1, also the fact that I was role blocked N2. Both Doom and I have given out our names of which would be stupid to do a fake claim on because if we were counter claimed that'd equal two dead mafia (this is going into wifom of if we were mafia).

Disbelieve it all you want Chuck, the fact remains that we claimed important roles which would be countered easily if we were lying. Our roles fit with our characters. Also, I've given out information on N1 and N2 scenes that have had people in the dark for quite a while now. I do not know why he'd be in the white suit neither but you could ask Saf at the end of the game. N2 scene was obvious it was Doom who was targeted, and the N1 scene if it didn't mention 'she' in the car I would have thought otherwise, but since it said she, I assume it meant me in the car.

Fasposted, I don't think so, unless the bus driver wants to say otherwise (which shush, Doom and I need you tonight so we can give more information out).

Also, the information you're questioning Chuck is what I meant when I debated with Doom earlier in the day whether or not we should be out with it.

[pmchugh]

Fasposted by PMC. He is neo, I can confirm is bud. If you kill him, you kill me. (lovers)

I know mate, I never questioned that.

[thechuck51]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

couple things i don't like about your claims...

-are you a tracker or are you a protection role? you are claiming you can do both.

-the one that got away was wearing a white coat. this doesnt fit with neo though.

Well I'll let town maul over it in their heads to what I mean if they read the scenes. Just because I'm giving out a lot of our cards, does not mean I will give them all out. Mafia still doesn't know some things about us that give us the advantage.

If you're so worried Chuck, either vote us or re-read the scenes or wait for counter claims. I've offered what role I am, and who I tracked N1, also the fact that I was role blocked N2. Both Doom and I have given out our names of which would be stupid to do a fake claim on because if we were counter claimed that'd equal two dead mafia (this is going into wifom of if we were mafia).

Disbelieve it all you want Chuck, the fact remains that we claimed important roles which would be countered easily if we were lying. Our roles fit with our characters. Also, I've given out information on N1 and N2 scenes that have had people in the dark for quite a while now. I do not know why he'd be in the white suit neither but you could ask Saf at the end of the game. N2 scene was obvious it was Doom who was targeted, and the N1 scene if it didn't mention 'she' in the car I would have thought otherwise, but since it said she, I assume it meant me in the car.

Fasposted, I don't think so, unless the bus driver wants to say otherwise (which shush, Doom and I need you tonight so we can give more information out).

Also, the information you're questioning Chuck is what I meant when I debated with Doom earlier in the day whether or not we should be out with it.

i do believe your claims there were just those small things i was wondering about. I will reread the scenes to make sure i was interpreting them correctly.

[jak111]

Fasposted by PMC. He is neo, I can confirm is bud. If you kill him, you kill me. (lovers)

I know mate, I never questioned that.

I misread it then, I thought you meant he was claiming the name JUST to get you lynched, even though I doubt that will happen. So basically to my eyes it seemed like you were saying he was faking it to get you out.

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

Aye, do that. I've been debating with him whether or not we should tell today through things only we knew. (Although he didn't know I was roleblocked, I didn't make a code for that because I didn't think I'd be roleblocked). But besides that, we've been out with any information that can help town. Anything that only helps us is still our little secret.

Also, if it was a townie who role blocked me last night, pick a new target, I was about to clear another VT. (whether or not Hippo is clear is still questionable but he has the benefit of doubt from me for he didn't go anywhere).
And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

couple things i don't like about your claims...

-are you a tracker or are you a protection role? you are claiming you can do both.

-the one that got away was wearing a white coat. this doesnt fit with neo though.

Well I'll let town maul over it in their heads to what I mean if they read the scenes. Just because I'm giving out a lot of our cards, does not mean I will give them all out. Mafia still doesn't know some things about us that give us the advantage.

If you're so worried Chuck, either vote us or re-read the scenes or wait for counter claims. I've offered what role I am, and who I tracked N1, also the fact that I was role blocked N2. Both Doom and I have given out our names of which would be stupid to do a fake claim on because if we were counter claimed that'd equal two dead mafia (this is going into wifom of if we were mafia).

Disbelieve it all you want Chuck, the fact remains that we claimed important roles which would be countered easily if we were lying. Our roles fit with our characters. Also, I've given out information on N1 and N2 scenes that have had people in the dark for quite a while now. I do not know why he'd be in the white suit neither but you could ask Saf at the end of the game. N2 scene was obvious it was Doom who was targeted, and the N1 scene if it didn't mention 'she' in the car I would have thought otherwise, but since it said she, I assume it meant me in the car.

Fasposted, I don't think so, unless the bus driver wants to say otherwise (which shush, Doom and I need you tonight so we can give more information out).

Also, the information you're questioning Chuck is what I meant when I debated with Doom earlier in the day whether or not we should be out with it.

i do believe your claims there were just those small things i was wondering about. I will reread the scenes to make sure i was interpreting them correctly.

[jak111]

Fasposted by PMC. He is neo, I can confirm is bud. If you kill him, you kill me. (lovers)

I know mate, I never questioned that.

I misread it then, I thought you meant he was claiming the name JUST to get you lynched, even though I doubt that will happen. So basically to my eyes it seemed like you were saying he was faking it to get you out.

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

couple things i don't like about your claims...

-are you a tracker or are you a protection role? you are claiming you can do both.

-the one that got away was wearing a white coat. this doesnt fit with neo though.

Well I'll let town maul over it in their heads to what I mean if they read the scenes. Just because I'm giving out a lot of our cards, does not mean I will give them all out. Mafia still doesn't know some things about us that give us the advantage.

If you're so worried Chuck, either vote us or re-read the scenes or wait for counter claims. I've offered what role I am, and who I tracked N1, also the fact that I was role blocked N2. Both Doom and I have given out our names of which would be stupid to do a fake claim on because if we were counter claimed that'd equal two dead mafia (this is going into wifom of if we were mafia).

Disbelieve it all you want Chuck, the fact remains that we claimed important roles which would be countered easily if we were lying. Our roles fit with our characters. Also, I've given out information on N1 and N2 scenes that have had people in the dark for quite a while now. I do not know why he'd be in the white suit neither but you could ask Saf at the end of the game. N2 scene was obvious it was Doom who was targeted, and the N1 scene if it didn't mention 'she' in the car I would have thought otherwise, but since it said she, I assume it meant me in the car.

Fasposted, I don't think so, unless the bus driver wants to say otherwise (which shush, Doom and I need you tonight so we can give more information out).

Also, the information you're questioning Chuck is what I meant when I debated with Doom earlier in the day whether or not we should be out with it.

i do believe your claims there were just those small things i was wondering about. I will reread the scenes to make sure i was interpreting them correctly.

EBWOP (put what I replied with in the quote originally..

Aye, do that. I've been debating with him whether or not we should tell today through things only we knew. (Although he didn't know I was roleblocked, I didn't make a code for that because I didn't think I'd be roleblocked). But besides that, we've been out with any information that can help town. Anything that only helps us is still our little secret.

Also, if it was a townie who role blocked me last night, pick a new target, I was about to clear another VT. (whether or not Hippo is clear is still questionable but he has the benefit of doubt from me for he didn't go anywhere).

[Some7hingCLEVER]

This I am getting tired of Vodean. You keep saying "well this person looks scummy, go for them, if they don`t die scum, go for these, if they die town, go for these" Nice way to seem 'smart' and 'logical'...

wait... are you saying that i look scummy because my argument looks logical and well-presented and thought through? tell me more about how much sense your argument makes

Clever, no. you are not scummy because you defended people. your buddies hippo and edoc are the ones scummy because the consistently defend me. jak defends me sometimes, but then in the next post he goes and attacks me... im not sure what to make of him. if you are VT, im sorry, but you make scummy posts, and in previous days pushed for VT to be killed

fastposted x3

he is making perfect sense.
a b c d e f g h i and j are all scummy one of them is mafia.
are you really wanting to risk losing 6-9 people to find one mafia? that is not helful at all! and no your wrong i didnt push a vt i pushed for a guy who was inactive and doing nothing at all. regardless if he was a vt or not he was being scummy.

[vodean]

This I am getting tired of Vodean. You keep saying "well this person looks scummy, go for them, if they don`t die scum, go for these, if they die town, go for these" Nice way to seem 'smart' and 'logical'...

wait... are you saying that i look scummy because my argument looks logical and well-presented and thought through? tell me more about how much sense your argument makes

Clever, no. you are not scummy because you defended people. your buddies hippo and edoc are the ones scummy because the consistently defend me. jak defends me sometimes, but then in the next post he goes and attacks me... im not sure what to make of him. if you are VT, im sorry, but you make scummy posts, and in previous days pushed for VT to be killed

fastposted x3

he is making perfect sense.
a b c d e f g h i and j are all scummy one of them is mafia.
are you really wanting to risk losing 6-9 people to find one mafia? that is not helful at all! and no your wrong i didnt push a vt i pushed for a guy who was inactive and doing nothing at all. regardless if he was a vt or not he was being scummy.

being inactive is not the same as scummy. in any case, unvote we need to listen to what jak and doom are saying right now.

[DoomYoshi]

@vodean: not necessarily. Just because we are semi-confirmed townies doesn't mean we are great players. I can promise you that what I say has towns best intention in its motivation, not in its result.

[everywhere116]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

I know that Neo is the main character of the Matrix films, but what is your role? Or are you not comfortable in revealing that information?

[jak111]

@vodean: not necessarily. Just because we are semi-confirmed townies doesn't mean we are great players. I can promise you that what I say has towns best intention in its motivation, not in its result.

Agreed, I didn't make the perfect call tracking Hippo N1, but I did it and I guess it semi-clears him. Doom and I aren't perfect Vodean. We have been holding some cards no one else knew about for a while now but that does not even make them perfect.

For example, while I can offer explanations to N1 and N2 scenes, I cannot CONFIRM that's exactly what happened, for it may have been Saf making us think they involved Doom and I.

Fasposted, I am not allowing him to reveal his role, it's something between him and I, just know if town wishes to lend support tonight, hit it on me and it will protect us both.

[everywhere116]

Very well. I won't pressure you guys.

[MoB Deadly]

Fasposted by vodean. Thanks for reminding me!
FOS Deadly for attempting to throw on pressure (on what seems will be our BW of the day)

Ghostly, I was the 2nd person to cast a vote on vodean back on page 74.

BTW, I am mouse, and i do nothing special at night (being that im VT)...

So far this is the first case of somebody that can enter the matrix being VT.

I think we need to test this claim and get this whole Matrix/Zion meta strategy out of our systems. Plus, I disagree with quite a few things vodean said.

I kinda feel really bad though, she just read 74 pages and I am voting her? vote vodean

With Jak and Doom claiming a lot more information, I don't want to risk another power role to claim. I think we should proceed with vodean today.

vote vodean

[Nebuchadnezer]

Let's just get this day done...VOTE Vodean

Worst. Day. Ever.

[everywhere116]

Unvote vote vodeon

That's L-2 by my count.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(5)- leehar, dj, vodean, ghostly, soundman
hippo(1)- jonty
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(9)- edoc, jak, chuck, clever, betiko, hippo, mob, neb, everywhere
doom(1)- IB

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[safariguy5]

Also, still no replacement found, if anyone has any suggestions, I'm willing to listen.

[Iron Butterfly]

Hey folks.

Im on the road with family driving to Maine, which is why I didnt post last night. I wont be on till tonight most likely.
With that said,Unvote Doom I make no apologise as it had to be done. I also beleive them 100%

I do not beleive Vodean is guilty. While highly annoying in some ways they have claimed vanilla townie. They have played with nothing to lose. The energy of the game has taken a turn for the better since they stirred things up.

Vote Clever

Why? As I was reading through he did the old please dont kill me routine, which always gets me.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ok it seems like im the second choice. well i assume mafia might target me maybe? not really sure though. im not directing but if someone could watch me. tracking is pointless as im a VT but if the tracker feels the need then go ahead. anyway IM NOT DIRECTING!.

[MoB Deadly]

ok it seems like im the second choice. well i assume mafia might target me maybe? not really sure though. im not directing but if someone could watch me. tracking is pointless as im a VT but if the tracker feels the need then go ahead. anyway IM NOT DIRECTING!.

Why would the mafia target you if you survive tonight? You are tripping off everyone scumdars... They will probably want you to live so that we lynch you

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ok it seems like im the second choice. well i assume mafia might target me maybe? not really sure though. im not directing but if someone could watch me. tracking is pointless as im a VT but if the tracker feels the need then go ahead. anyway IM NOT DIRECTING!.

Why would the mafia target you if you survive tonight? You are tripping off everyone scumdars... They will probably want you to live so that we lynch you

I assume i live through the night. but i am being useful to town. which is why i assume that BW happened so fast. thats why i think they would want me dead. i feel that all the mafia was probably on that bandwagon on me. we should cross examine the people who were on mine and then who was or was not on vodean depending what she flips.

[shieldgenerator7]

Whoa. I missed a whole weeks worht of 13 pages?

Sorry, didn't mean to miss so much, just got busy all of a sudden. Catching up (with notes!)
I see there's a BW on neb and I'll go back and see how that beauty got it's start.
Later. (as in very soon)

-SG7 ( )

[pmchugh]

ok it seems like im the second choice. well i assume mafia might target me maybe? not really sure though. im not directing but if someone could watch me. tracking is pointless as im a VT but if the tracker feels the need then go ahead. anyway IM NOT DIRECTING!.

Why would the mafia target you if you survive tonight? You are tripping off everyone scumdars... They will probably want you to live so that we lynch you

Hi again MoB, you appear not to have voted anyone yet. This post seems rather like filler too. Do you find clever/vodean suspicious? You stated you found vodean suspicious earlier and now you seem to be saying clever is too, so I don't understand why your vote is not on either. Also do you have any thoughts on who is suspicious outside of them two?

p.s. I know I haven't voted but that is because I think neither wagon is good.

[Djfireside]

This is a revealation but one I am sad to see occur with Doom and Jak. Unfortunately I had my thoughts but I was hoping neo would have stayed hidden but I started to believe that you two had to be them when Jak kept asking for protection. At this point, based on their play I would follow what jak is saying to protect the greatest asset.

Doom: Is there any siginificance to your vote other than he was chasing you earlier and trying to say hidden?

Whoa. I missed a whole weeks worht of 13 pages?

Sorry, didn't mean to miss so much, just got busy all of a sudden. Catching up (with notes!)
I see there's a BW on neb and I'll go back and see how that beauty got it's start.
Later. (as in very soon)

-SG7 ( )

Huh? There is no BW on Neb?!?


FP PMC

[MoB Deadly]

ok it seems like im the second choice. well i assume mafia might target me maybe? not really sure though. im not directing but if someone could watch me. tracking is pointless as im a VT but if the tracker feels the need then go ahead. anyway IM NOT DIRECTING!.

Why would the mafia target you if you survive tonight? You are tripping off everyone scumdars... They will probably want you to live so that we lynch you

Hi again MoB, you appear not to have voted anyone yet. This post seems rather like filler too. Do you find clever/vodean suspicious? You stated you found vodean suspicious earlier and now you seem to be saying clever is too, so I don't understand why your vote is not on either. Also do you have any thoughts on who is suspicious outside of them two?

p.s. I know I haven't voted but that is because I think neither wagon is good.

PMC, where is the confusion at? I suggest you reread my posts if you do not know my position on these bandwagons. I have said it multiple times that I think there is a scum bandwagon on Clever right now. I really do think this lynch is very important today, because we are divided. Depending upon how one of them flips it will be priceless later in the game.

You say that I think clever is scum, can you point out where I even hinted at that notion? I think clever is town this game. as IB said the "Please don't kill me" isn't helping his case, and his last post trying to direct night actions isn't helping either though. I just questioned his post as to why he thinks he will be a target tonight as the mafia would rather keep him alive so that we are inclined to lynch him.