9/11 Be Not Afraid video

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:59 am

Oh, I try not to leave this forum if I can help it. Its where all the good discussions go on.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:00 am

jay_a2j wrote:Oh, I try not to leave this forum if I can help it. Its where all the good discussions go on.

I'm sure it is.

lusi · Post by **lusi** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:11 am

I am not American but came accross a video called 'In Plane Site' - this is also an interesting story about the 9/11 attacks. I havent watched the one mentioned here but is pretty much along the same lines. You should take a look at this one AK. It is produced by Dave Vokleist and he also has a conference answering the questions surrounding his footage and explanations of it.

Have to admit there are still some very profound questions unanswered....

Ehriggn · Post by **Ehriggn** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:22 am

Skittles! wrote:Eh, why?

Woot, humans dying! But eh.. I don't think i wana join VHEMT... What will I get if I do join?

a false sense of rightousness, and a bumper sticker. nothing else.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:25 am

Ehriggn wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Eh, why?

Woot, humans dying! But eh.. I don't think i wana join VHEMT... What will I get if I do join?
a false sense of rightousness, and a bumper sticker. nothing else.

Oh, I'm not joining.

Also, with this.

Q. Does VHEMT support abortions?

A. Only if they're not pregnant.

I was confused.

Ehriggn · Post by **Ehriggn** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:32 am

Q: Does VHEMT favor abortion?

Only when someone is pregnant.

Seriously though, pregnancy should be prevented whenever possible. Unwanted pregnancy is the cause of almost all abortions, and VHEMT certainly doesn't favor unwanted pregnancy.

The Movement doesn't even favor wanted pregnancies. Unfortunately, accidental conceptions still happen, so an available and safe safety net is essential for the well-being of girls and women. Criminalizing abortions has never prevented them from being performed, it just makes them unsafe: illegal abortions cause an estimated 78,000 to 80,000 deaths each year.

Abortion is inconceivable without conception.

The issue of a woman's right to a legal and safe abortion is somewhat beyond the scope of VHEMT. However, the first word is "Voluntary" and coerced births are not. A wide range of opinions on this subject exists within The Movement.

-that was copied from the site, I think you may have read it wrong.
( Sorry for going off topic!)

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:33 am

I know it was like that, but for people just reading that, they would be like 'wtf'.

Anyway, you're a guy, right? I need to add it in the Bondage story.

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:04 am

jay_a2j wrote:My problems with 911.

1. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.

2. The WTC are the first steel buildings to EVER be brought down by fire in history.

3. Many "earwitnesses" heard several explosions as the towers fell.

4. The white smoke rising from the bottom of towers just BEFORE they collapsed.

5. Giuliani was "told" the towers will collapse. (Who could have possibly guessed that?)

1) It burns how enough to weaken the steel by 50%. Also, not only the jet fuel was alight, but all of the paper, furniture, paint, wallpaper, walls, and the building in general. If the steel is 50% weaker, then it can only hold up half the weight it used to, and it will eventually crubmle under the pressure.

2) Also the first buildings to be hit by commercial jumbo jets at 500mph...

3) The pancake effect. You got hundred of tonnes of concrete and steel pounding into each other, gunna make a loud noise.

4) I've never seen this..pictures or video proof please...

5) I'm sure some people were thinking it was going to collapse. Where the proof he was told and he knew? Also, a plane crashed into a building, and it was burining like shit. I myself though there was a chance it was going to collapse, it wont just stand there on fire for ages.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:18 am

Titanic wrote: 4) I've never seen this..pictures or video proof please...

5) I'm sure some people were thinking it was going to collapse. Where the proof he was told and he knew? Also, a plane crashed into a building, and it was burining like shit. I myself though there was a chance it was going to collapse, it wont just stand there on fire for ages.

Watch the video at beginning of thread.

Security guards told workers in tower 2 to go back to work, that it was the "safest place to be". And if I was told that I'd of told him to bite me.

Even if the steel was "weakened" it would be weakened where the fire was. When those floors collapsed they would come into resistance when falling on non-weakened floors. The towers fell as in a "free fall" with no resistance. It just doesn't makes sense.

Human bone fragments found on nearby building rooftops years after 911...explain how that happened in a "collapse"?

Did you even watch the video? I know its hard to except but staying in denial isn't an option for me.

stooby · Post by **stooby** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:33 am

Titanic wrote: 3) The pancake effect. You got hundred of tonnes of concrete and steel pounding into each other, gunna make a loud noise.

4) I've never seen this..pictures or video proof please...

3) the towers took 9 seconds to collapse. That's the same as dropping a (as they say in the video) snooker ball off the top of the tower and letting it free-fall. That means that none of the floors slowed the collapse of the tower! How? Surely they would have slowed it a little... it was as if each floor was already falling or powedered before the floors above hit.

4) watch the video mentioned right at the start of this thread.

I've never considered myself a conspiracy theory nut, but after watching this same video (9/11 Mysteries) I've seen this particular tradegy in a different light.

I've yet to be told a reasonable explanation for the 'squibs' you see as the towers collapse. The official line is that this is just the floors collapsing and exploding out of the windows... if so, how come they happen several floors below the actual collapse? and why don't they happen where you would expect them to, ie the corners?

Anyone watching the 'collapse' of building 7 can't honestly believe that was anything other than a controlled demolition. Especially as there are recorded radio conversations of people being warned they are pulling building 7. 'Pulling' is a term used in demolition, meaning 'to bring down'. The official line in this conversation is that they meant they were pulling people out of the building in case it collapsed!

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:41 am

jay_a2j wrote:I know its hard to except but staying in denial isn't an option for me.

Whoah!!!!! This from the man who believes in "Sky Daddy"!

You will believe ANYTHING you are told, wont ya jay.

All you conspiracy theorists...do you honestly think that the greatest conspiracy in history could be kept quiet for 5+ years? Not one person has come forward to say "I was involved or know who was".

Why not? It would take many people to pull it off...this is no "lone gunman", yet we hear nothing. Why? No camera phone pics of the demo setup? They would be worth TENS OF MILLIONS. Yet...silence.

It must be the sheer intelligence and pre-planning of our government!

It is also fair to guess that those of you who really believe this BS don't live in New York, where the FIRST thing people do is gather evidence for the book and television rights.

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:48 am

Even if the steel was "weakened" it would be weakened where the fire was. When those floors collapsed they would come into resistance when falling on non-weakened floors. The towers fell as in a "free fall" with no resistance. It just doesn't makes sense.

When the floors collapsed, the ones beneath cudn take the pressure as they were then holding up more then they should, and also beause the floors were falling onto them there was mroe force (F=MA). They did not fall in free fall. If you watch them collapse, you will see the debris which scatters on the outside falls faster then the building and reaches the ground before the main core does. That is not free fall.

Human bone fragments found on nearby building rooftops years after 911...explain how that happened in a "collapse"

The debris scattered. Those debris ent out as well, if you watch when it falls it just didn fall straight down, loads of the stuff went out and fell away from the tower.

Did you even watch the video? I know its hard to except but staying in denial isn't an option for me.

Read my earleir posts. I am not in denial, I just decide to look at the overall picture, whilst you look at certain areas and manipulated videos.

the towers took 9 seconds to collapse.

Now that just bs. It took much longer then 9 seconds. It probably took 9 seconds if you choose a view which hides when they started to collapse, and the timing ends before the top of the tower hits the ground.

I've yet to be told a reasonable explanation for the 'squibs' you see as the towers collapse. The official line is that this is just the floors collapsing and exploding out of the windows... if so, how come they happen several floors below the actual collapse? and why don't they happen where you would expect them to, ie the corners?

They come out of the windows because that is the weakest point of exit. The corners are made out of concrete and steel. The windows is just glass which can easily be smashed. Also, if the squibs were explosions, how come the air flow in the squibs is constant? An explosion would create a rush of air and an uneven amount of dust coming out.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:57 am

Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:I know its hard to except but staying in denial isn't an option for me.
Whoah!!!!! This from the man who believes in "Sky Daddy"!

You will believe ANYTHING you are told, wont ya jay.

All you conspiracy theorists...do you honestly think that the greatest conspiracy in history could be kept quiet for 5+ years? Not one person has come forward to say "I was involved or know who was".

Why not? It would take many people to pull it off, yet we hear nothing. Why? No camera phone pics of the demo setup? They would be worth TENS OF MILLIONS. Yet...silence.

It must be the sheer intelligence and pre-planning of our government!

It is also fair to guess that those of you who really believe this BS don't live in New York, where the FIRST thing people do is gather evidence for the book and television rights.

Did they even have camera phones in 2001? WATCH the video! The WTC was "powered down" just before 911. Too much "coincidental" stuff happened before 911. "hearing movement and drilling" on the EMPTY floor above them. Dust all over the windows just before 911? (Heavy dust)

I live in NY. You think because you live in NY you have the final say in whether it was a collapse or demolition?

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:03 am

jay_a2j wrote:Did they even have camera phones in 2001?

They had cameras.

jay_a2j wrote:The WTC was "powered down" just before 911. Too much "coincidental" stuff happened before 911. "hearing movement and drilling" on the EMPTY floor above them. Dust all over the windows just before 911? (Heavy dust)

Geez, have you EVER worked in a large office building? They are drilling and pounding above me as I speak. Companies move in and out...floors are completely stripped to the walls and rebuilt to the new owners specs. This inst "coincidence" it's called "construction" and happens constantly in every large building in Manhattan.

Gullible rubes..all of you. (Also...we landed on the moon, nobody killed princess Di and there are no alien spacecraft in Roswell.

)

jay_a2j wrote:I live in NY. You think because you live in NY you have the final say in whether it was a collapse or demolition?

I think your a fool.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:05 am

Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:I know its hard to except but staying in denial isn't an option for me.
Whoah!!!!! This from the man who believes in "Sky Daddy"!

You will believe ANYTHING you are told, wont ya jay.

All you conspiracy theorists...do you honestly think that the greatest conspiracy in history could be kept quiet for 5+ years? Not one person has come forward to say "I was involved or know who was".

Why not? It would take many people to pull it off...this is no "lone gunman", yet we hear nothing. Why? No camera phone pics of the demo setup? They would be worth TENS OF MILLIONS. Yet...silence.

It must be the sheer intelligence and pre-planning of our government!

It is also fair to guess that those of you who really believe this BS don't live in New York, where the FIRST thing people do is gather evidence for the book and television rights.

Nice try.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:06 am

Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:06 am

Backglass wrote: I think your a fool.

Hmmm Am I supposed to care?

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:23 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????

Yes, here the video of when he met Buzz Aldren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoyiJdeWT4&NR

stooby · Post by **stooby** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:24 am

Backglass wrote:I think your a fool.

Is the fool someone who questions those in authority? or the one who accepts all the official stories, including that of building 7 being a natural collapse due to fire damage?

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:35 am

2dimes wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????
Yes, here the video of when he met Buzz Aldren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoyiJdeWT4&NR

HAHAHAHA!

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:40 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:
2dimes wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????
Yes, here the video of when he met Buzz Aldren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoyiJdeWT4&NR
HAHAHAHA!

Isn't that golden? My favorite part is Buzz is 70 something and that other guy is probably under 30.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:42 am

2dimes wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
2dimes wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????
Yes, here the video of when he met Buzz Aldren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoyiJdeWT4&NR
HAHAHAHA!
Isn't that golden? My favorite part is Buzz is 70 something and that other guy is probably under 30.

For some reason, I hear Chris Tucker screaming "You got knocked the f*ck out!"

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:44 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:
2dimes wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
2dimes wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????
Yes, here the video of when he met Buzz Aldren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoyiJdeWT4&NR
HAHAHAHA!
Isn't that golden? My favorite part is Buzz is 70 something and that other guy is probably under 30.

For some reason, I hear Chris Tucker screaming "You got knocked the f*ck out!"

It's friday night, I am high and I am home. There's no way I'm gettin in no space capsule.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:11 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:I know its hard to except but staying in denial isn't an option for me.
Whoah!!!!! This from the man who believes in "Sky Daddy"!

You will believe ANYTHING you are told, wont ya jay.

All you conspiracy theorists...do you honestly think that the greatest conspiracy in history could be kept quiet for 5+ years? Not one person has come forward to say "I was involved or know who was".

Why not? It would take many people to pull it off...this is no "lone gunman", yet we hear nothing. Why? No camera phone pics of the demo setup? They would be worth TENS OF MILLIONS. Yet...silence.

It must be the sheer intelligence and pre-planning of our government!

It is also fair to guess that those of you who really believe this BS don't live in New York, where the FIRST thing people do is gather evidence for the book and television rights.

Nice try.

Your rolling your eyes because of CAMERA PHONES? OK...35mm, digital camera pics, brownie pinhole camera, chalk cave drawings, POLAROIDS....whatever! WHERE ARE THEY?

Are YOU saying that our government is so good, they have threatened hundreds of people into silence or mass genocide of their own countrymen?

"Waiter! More Kool-Aid please!"

Anarkistsdream wrote:Backglass, are you saying we DIDN'T land on the moon????

LOL...of course not. Thats just as silly as this argument!

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:16 pm

Why were all the video's from the camera's that would have recorded the plane hitting the pentagon confiscated by the FBI and never released to the public?

And I don't think its rational to expect people to bring cameras to work "just in case someone is plotting to bring down the WTC and I want to capture some proof".