Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

[Campin_Killer]

[sarcasm]Wow, great reasoning on the mafia/town potentials[/sarcasm]

As for Yomiel saying he got the magic 8 ball that er...intresting. He/She is either being stupid, or / is indeed fucking with us.

I might be reading too much into it, but "magic 8 ball" is one of those comepletly random things, so I'm wondering if that'd be insane or not...just saying

[Yomiel]

No need to be rude. I like to keep things moving.

[Rodion]

Let me remind that with 2 investigations Jak is not cleared and LSU is not busted. So far, we have Yomiel as a possible sane/insane/paranoid cop and PCM as a possible sane/insane/naive cop.

Jak, did you vig Aage? If so, why, given that you seemed to suspect Pmchugh when the day ended?

[spiesr]

I might be reading too much into it, but "magic 8 ball" is one of those comepletly random things, so I'm wondering if that'd be insane or not...just saying

Well, last time around we had library card (sane cop) and an Ojua board (insane cop), so there might be something to that idea...

[jonty125]

I might be reading too much into it, but "magic 8 ball" is one of those comepletly random things, so I'm wondering if that'd be insane or not...just saying

Well, last time around we had library card (sane cop) and an Ojua board (insane cop), so there might be something to that idea...

But they're both the same. I'd be willing to lynch LSU, tests Yomiel's sanity and lynches a scummy player. Two birds in one stone.

[Yomiel]

There's nothing to lose.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

And I would be willing to lynch Yomiel for the rush to try to force lynch me without have definitive proof especially with having a second "cop" gift. Yomiel is not THE COP. She only received a "cop" gift and to me trying to force a bad lynch two straight days is just poor play. It is very possible the 8 ball is random or Yomiel just got some weird lyncher vendetta against me for some stupid reason when earlier I did not even push for her lynch saying it could be insane/paranoid etc... but to try to get this day ended so quickly helps no one at all other than scum. For now, I'm willing to accept Jak as being town even if he is a bit anal since pancake got town on him and jak is anal in all of the games I've been in with him. Unvote Vote Yomiel for being a pushy rushing to lynch scumbag when we still have 5 days left.

We really need shield's replacement to come in with all of the info that was given to shield before this day ends unless it winds up screwing town over this day.

[Yomiel]

It's your own posts that do you in. I'm an active player, and I always want to move things along. This is nothing new. Wanting to kill me for that is poor on your part. Then there's you rude attitude. To add to that, several people, myself included, have said there is no proof what kind of Cop gift I got and that killing you is the quickest way to find out.

[Campin_Killer]

You can try to move things along, but when we have five days to reach a lynch, we don't need to rush through it like a cheetah. Not to mention I'm having doubts about you actually getting a cop gift, due to the fact that you claim to have gotten the EXACT same gift as PCM (magic 8 ball).

[Yomiel]

I'm telling the truth. Lying and claiming the exact same object would be stupid. If I were lying, why not make up a separate object? And it's better to rush things along than let you talk your way out of being lynched.

[jak111]

Jak, did you vig Aage? If so, why, given that you seemed to suspect Pmchugh when the day ended?

Yes, I did. I'm surprised you caught onto WHO I vigged though. I wouldn't vig PMC, because he's the one I sent MY gift to (even though he didn't receive it). But, I was looking at Aage's posts toward the end of the day, like you ever get that feeling where you think someone is trying to go without getting a certain person lynched?

Chuck is right. 50% is still better than 100% for me, though.

That's how this post made me feel, even though now knowing he was town, his last few posts make more sense to me now. However, at the time it seemed like he was trying to lead town in another direction or earn town cred.

Although now my interests are perked. 1.) How did you guess I was the vig? 2.) How did you guess WHO was my target of the two?... 2 for 2 seems a bit like you know something, without sharing it with us.


Anyway, onto Campin's post.
"[sarcasm][/sarcasm]".. Yea, this isn't sarcastic what I'm about to say... Where the hell is your list/notes/thoughts if mine are so bad bud? At least I'm TRYING to make sense of the actions and what's going on. Sure, you question Yomiel (Believe me, that doesn't take much thought to do at this point), but what are your thoughts on anything else? Or are you going to say every other idea sucks?

Although, what I love about your post Capin, is the fact that you're upset because your name is in the potential mafia.

(Also in reply to Rodion, I did not put myself or anyone cleared, just potentially cleared if the information given so far is accurate).


LSU, you seem to be blowing off a lot of smoke in your posts. While the possibility of Yomiel lying is there (2 8 balls? o.e) it IS possible to do it (One 8 ball may be broken?), hell, maybe even PCM is lying and got a lucky guess in an item? Either way, it's all WIFOM until we test it out on people. Right now, with your guilty result and your attitude toward it, it's like you're fighting tooth and nail to get free of being caught? If you were town, you wouldn't be casting insults at people nor call everyone mafia o.e.


Although, I love all the time stalling going on so far. "We have 5 days, we don't need to lynch now". The cards are out on the table. If we allow the days to go days on end, people have wayy too much time to make up a story to get out of something, usually the instinct thoughts are what should be used, but they get thrown away when people over think things. The only things left for today really are to test out the sanity, and get the item part of the gifts out on the table.

[Yomiel]

Exactly. Though, that reminds me-I need to get on that.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I also have my doubts on you getting gifts with your recent "history" I don't really know anyone here that would want to gift you something on day 1 until you've proven to be helpful other than a pushy impatient brat. I repeat that Yomiel is NOT the cop but claims to have received that as a gift last night after proving to be a math genius during the daytime multiple times while trying to get poor Vodean lynched.

As Spiesr stated just a couple of posts ago
"Yomiel wrote:Who hasn't voted for LSU yet? The faster we kill him, the faster we learn how reliable this gift is.

Yomiel wrote:I think we should just forget about shield for now. He's held up the game enough.: (

I'll add the following brilliant rush to lynch posts since then.
by Yomiel » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:09 am
No need to be rude. I like to keep things moving.

Post by Yomiel » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:36 pm
There's nothing to lose.

Post by Yomiel » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:41 pm
It's your own posts that do you in. I'm an active player, and I always want to move things along. This is nothing new. Wanting to kill me for that is poor on your part. Then there's you rude attitude. To add to that, several people, myself included, have said there is no proof what kind of Cop gift I got and that killing you is the quickest way to find out.

by Yomiel » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:50 pm
I'm telling the truth. Lying and claiming the exact same object would be stupid. If I were lying, why not make up a separate object? And it's better to rush things along than let you talk your way out of being lynched.


BTW Jonty you have nothing on me when it comes to scumminess and getting yourself lynched. Having it seen it in the past when you were town, I'm fairly sure that you ate a few paint chips growing up.

Jak those that have known me and been around know that I do a lot of bitching at a bullshit lynch. This is a bullshit lynch when sanities should not be rushed to judgement yet especially after yesterday's mislynch and then taking a fair shot last night with the vigilante. The sanity test should come after at least 2 investigations by the same cop where one might be innocent and one might be guilty or two guilties etc... When I'm scum sure I don't like getting lynched but it's fair enough. It's when people are being sheeple as Walton and Johnson call it and trying to force something that is just plain bullshit that I get annoyed especially with certain people not "around" that before the day is up might be needed to get information from. As I stated earlier, I don't even know what gift I am giving based off of the results of last night. I just know that I am town, don't even have a freaking name claim to use etc, and that probably 75% of the players in this game would NOT have given Yomiel a gift after originally wanting to not play with them. That is what is pissing me off.

[Yomiel]

Friendly, isn't he?

[Rodion]

Vote: Vodean

Reason for vote?

Reason for only questioning the newbie?

Aye, Yomiel is Yomiel. However, I find it odd for PMC to be eyeballing him out of everyone that voted for Vodean. THAT, is what I'm finding strange here.

It's also understandable that you would refrain from killing PMC since you gave him your gift and it's on your best interest to find out what it does as soon as possible. What I don't get is why you'd pick PMC of all people given that you expressed a certain degree of suspicion towards him back in D1.

Regarding your question, I could tell you right now. Or I could wait and potentially load my OMGUS machine gun to scorch people around. I think I'll wait.

[Campin_Killer]

I can give you a long wall of text and show you a read on everyone. I'm just lazy because I'm packing right now, but since I'm almost done, I'll get on that

[Campin_Killer]

Player List (in order of read)
Campin_Killer
spiesr
shieldgenerator7
pancakemix
everywhere116
TA1LGUNN3R
soundman
Hensow
Djfireside
Rodion
thechuck51
Yomiel
pmchugh
jak111
LSU Tiger Josh
jonty125

Key:
Red- Scum
Orange- Slight Scum
Black- Neutral/no read
Green-Slight Town
Blue-Town

CampinKiller

CampinKiller- I know I am town, because I never got a role PM or PM stating otherwise. Case closed.

spiesr

spiesr-I'm getting a strong town read on spiesr, I haven't really seen much in the way of scum tells, and he's been reasonable, no bullshit, unless we want to rehash that meta argument from Day 1.

SG7

SG7-Since he's being replaced, no need for a read.

PCM

PCM-Hasn't said much, but I'm stuck between a slight scum/slight town read right now, so I'm going with neutral. More posting, please.

everywhere

everywhere-Needs to contribute more to the discussion, hasn't said very much, so has been flying under my radar.

TAIL

TAIL-4 posts, nothing coming out of them. Stop scummarining and start posting

sound

Sound-4 posts, has said next-to-nothing. Let's get contributing

Hensow

Hensow-1 or 2 line posts without much contribution, along with the fact that you have been flying under my radar to the point where I forgot you were in this game. Scum-vibe from me.

DJfire

DJfireside-4 posts, no much contribution. Let's step it up some, please.

Rodion

Rodion-Contributing well, pretty good for his first game, but the only thing hendering him is a gut feeling that he might be scum, it's just my gut, and that doesn't affect my decisions much.

chuck

Chuck-Good contribution, not seeing anything I can call him out on

Yomiel

Yomiel-Don't get me started. Says nothing Day 1 for reasons I don't know, then pops in Day 2 with this statement of a scum find, when he gets the EXACT SAME FLAVOR as PCM. I call bullshit on that. And on that topic he aggressively pursues for a speed lynch of LSU, which, IMO, is rediculously stupid, because you don't want to get the day over ASAP. Also, answer me this:

I think we need to be on the lookout for Campin. Regardless of what happens with LSU, he's trying to push me for the next target.>_<

At what point did I push you as a target for Day 3 or a different target in the case of LSU not being lynched?

I'll finish this later, I've got to eat, and I don't want to re-type this

[Yomiel]

LSU and Campin are the most suspicious, even without the reading.

[Campin_Killer]

[sarcasm]Well, you know how to build a case[/sarcasm]

That's a blatant OMGUS read, and you didn't answer my question. So answer my question.

[/]

Alright, I prodded shield and will replace him if he's not on by tomorrow.

Vote Count:
Yomiel (2) - LSU Tiger Josh , ???
LSU Tiger Josh (4) - thechuck51 , Yomiel , jak111 , jonty125

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch

[Yomiel]

On my 3ds, so I can't type much. Your question is just trying to mess with our heads, since you already know the answer. This is why we need to rush the lynch.

[Campin_Killer]

I know the answer, so I ask the question...makes complete sense[/sarcasm]

[Hensow]

Jak, did you vig Aage? If so, why, given that you seemed to suspect Pmchugh when the day ended?

Yes, I did. I'm surprised you caught onto WHO I vigged though. I wouldn't vig PMC, because he's the one I sent MY gift to (even though he didn't receive it). But, I was looking at Aage's posts toward the end of the day, like you ever get that feeling where you think someone is trying to go without getting a certain person lynched?

Chuck is right. 50% is still better than 100% for me, though.

That's how this post made me feel, even though now knowing he was town, his last few posts make more sense to me now. However, at the time it seemed like he was trying to lead town in another direction or earn town cred.

Although now my interests are perked. 1.) How did you guess I was the vig? 2.) How did you guess WHO was my target of the two?... 2 for 2 seems a bit like you know something, without sharing it with us.


Anyway, onto Campin's post.
"[sarcasm][/sarcasm]".. Yea, this isn't sarcastic what I'm about to say... Where the hell is your list/notes/thoughts if mine are so bad bud? At least I'm TRYING to make sense of the actions and what's going on. Sure, you question Yomiel (Believe me, that doesn't take much thought to do at this point), but what are your thoughts on anything else? Or are you going to say every other idea sucks?

Although, what I love about your post Capin, is the fact that you're upset because your name is in the potential mafia.

(Also in reply to Rodion, I did not put myself or anyone cleared, just potentially cleared if the information given so far is accurate).


LSU, you seem to be blowing off a lot of smoke in your posts. While the possibility of Yomiel lying is there (2 8 balls? o.e) it IS possible to do it (One 8 ball may be broken?), hell, maybe even PCM is lying and got a lucky guess in an item? Either way, it's all WIFOM until we test it out on people. Right now, with your guilty result and your attitude toward it, it's like you're fighting tooth and nail to get free of being caught? If you were town, you wouldn't be casting insults at people nor call everyone mafia o.e.


Although, I love all the time stalling going on so far. "We have 5 days, we don't need to lynch now". The cards are out on the table. If we allow the days to go days on end, people have wayy too much time to make up a story to get out of something, usually the instinct thoughts are what should be used, but they get thrown away when people over think things. The only things left for today really are to test out the sanity, and get the item part of the gifts out on the table.

I wonder why you didn't tell us before

[everywhere116]

Thoughts: For now, I am going to place my money on the part of the table that says that both PCM and Yomiel both got an investigative role that says they got a magic eight-ball, and that Slash didn't want us to figure out from the items alone whether or not they are reliable. This could change, especially if a third cop role comes up in the future.

Campin, why do you believe that Yomiel is the best bet to lynch if his/er investigation is proven to be inaccurate? Why would we assume that s/he is scum instead of just receiving a bad cop gift?

Yomiel, now that we have some more information, do you believe that your investigation is reliable?

PCM, do you?

[Yomiel]

Campin just dislikes me.

I really don't know how trustworthy my result is, like I said from the beginning. I still think the best way to find out is to lynch LSU. Even if he turns out to be Town, the knowledge that the gift is not always accurate will benefit us in the long run.