Halo: The Mafia: Day 6: End of the World as we KnowIt (9/25)

[thehippo8]

Kill thechuck: I had to kill and he was suspiscious. Dont know why it didn't go through but glad he has a chance to explain his actions.

I would guess I was busdriven with either edoc, kageryuu, or zimmah and they were targeted instead.

Or maybe you are the mafia busdriver and can subtely state things that others know is true from their perspective!

I'm inclined to believe that Chuck was the one that was kidnapped and perhaps forgot in his first post of the day and got a reminder from Jak that all he could do was vote. It's possible that while he was kidnapped he saw the face of one of his "kidnappers" and hence why he "knows" sam is scum if he can confirm one way or the other.

If i was kidnapped I havent been made aware of it.

Because you weren't kidnapped!

Chuck, you are right that my name is Keith, but I am not scum as you claim. I am a survivor, am I am a vanilla survivor at that. I have read and reread my role PM and It in essences says that if the town wins, I win.

Usually survivors win as long as they are alive at the end. It doesn't matter which faction wins. Is there a reason you didn't mention you would win with mafia as well? My guess is you are lying and you are not really a survivor.

True that ... and being mafia you must be looking at him sideways and saying "what you talkin bout Willis?"

So sam is saying that chuck was right in getting his name. This indicates a rolecop to me. While a mafia rolecop is not out of the realm of possibility, I find it much more likely that chuck is town. Regardless of whether sam is really third party survivor or not is not that important right now.

Correct, I am a sort of rolecop. I am a town inspector. I can find out the name of a player.

Nice scum claim. Well thought out. Very clever. Also meaningless in the extreme.

Here's what I mean ...

N1: samgrossy=keith

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Keith David
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Keith Steury
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Keith Collingwood
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N2: shaggy=opal (which leads me to believe he was busdriven with kageryuu)

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Ages of Doubt
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N3: campin=colby

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Halo PC credits
Colby Cutler<br/>

Why didn't you look at the list of characters and then maybe you'd have done a bit better?

Anyway ... whatever world you have derived your names I am clearly missing it. I find your claim clever but unconvincing and for that reason ... thechuck

[thehippo8]

Sorry for the double post but thought I'd be do a further check.

The wikipedia article has no mention of Opal or Colby and even the more scholarly work Characters of Halo seems to have no mention of them either! The other details I forgot to credit properly but they come from this behemoth!

[thehippo8]

EBWOP

Dang it, third time lucky ... forgot to unvote!

unvote vote thechuck

[ShaggyDan]

Alright, my main problem with this is that thechuck is sure that sam is scum based solely off knowing his name.

Combined with the fact that he still hasn't explained the votes from yesterday makes me a little concerned. I wouldnt mind campin to confirm the name... He managed to pull kageyru's from the dead list stating he targetted me that night.

Most likely scenario to me atm is that he is a lyncher for sam. Also for what it is worth I don't believe sams vanilla survivor claim. We already had mason'd survivors so it seems a little underpowered.

[zimmah]

Alright, my main problem with this is that thechuck is sure that sam is scum based solely off knowing his name.

Combined with the fact that he still hasn't explained the votes from yesterday makes me a little concerned. I wouldnt mind campin to confirm the name... He managed to pull kageyru's from the dead list stating he targetted me that night.

Most likely scenario to me atm is that he is a lyncher for sam. Also for what it is worth I don't believe sams vanilla survivor claim. We already had mason'd survivors so it seems a little underpowered.

especially because he claims survivor and also a town win was mentioned in his win condition. you can't really be town and survivor, as survivors are 3rd party. so it seems like we catched him in a lie.

[Campin_Killer]

Alright, my main problem with this is that thechuck is sure that sam is scum based solely off knowing his name.

Combined with the fact that he still hasn't explained the votes from yesterday makes me a little concerned. I wouldnt mind campin to confirm the name... He managed to pull kageyru's from the dead list stating he targetted me that night.

Most likely scenario to me atm is that he is a lyncher for sam. Also for what it is worth I don't believe sams vanilla survivor claim. We already had mason'd survivors so it seems a little underpowered.

especially because he claims survivor and also a town win was mentioned in his win condition. you can't really be town and survivor, as survivors are 3rd party. so it seems like we catched him in a lie.

Yeah, cause from what I know survivors can win either way.

The vanilla bit does seem underpowered.

[DoomYoshi]

Rolecop seems to be a popular mafia role in the current meta.

As saf suggests though, there is some problem with the x-raider account. At first I thought it was a forgotten action, but let's motivate him to get in here.

Unvote vote raider

[soundman]

Sorry for the double post but thought I'd be do a further check.

The wikipedia article has no mention of Opal or Colby and even the more scholarly work Characters of Halo seems to have no mention of them either! The other details I forgot to credit properly but they come from this behemoth!

I'm pretty sure we can't go off of anything outside of this game. It looks like Jak has just made up a few names for this game. If you can take all the names of everyone we know and find them related to Halo then I would consider the possibility. But I've looked at a few of them and couldn't find any relation.

I think Sam only mentioning being able to win with town is suspicious. Makes me think he's trying hard to look townie. And after a masoned pair of survivors I don't think there would just be a lone vanilla survivor out there. However X-raider not using his night action is more scummy at the moment. Vote X-raider.

[Campin_Killer]

I'll up the pressure on raider. Lying ain't fun, isit?

Vote X-Ray

[zimmah]

i'l wait for a vote count to see if i should also vote or not. i don't want accidents to happen again.

even though last time we did actually lynch scum f i am not mistaken.

[jak111]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

soundman ~
new guy1 ~
zimmah ~
Samgrossy ~ Chuck (L7)
Thechuck51 ~ Sam, Hippo (L6)
Thehippo8 ~
DoomYoshi ~
pancakemix ~
Safariguy v2 ~
Campin_Killer ~
ShaggyDan ~
DiM ~
x-raider ~ Safari, Hippo, Doom, Soundman, Campin (L3)
LSU Tiger Josh ~

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

No Deadline set yet.

[zimmah]

unvote vote x-raider

[jak111]

Posting this for New Guy.

I'm sorry about the spotty activity was on vacation with no access. I'm on my phone right now so its a little hard to be active. I will try to read up tonight or throughout the day and make a post. Could you possibly post in my game and let everyone know my computer won't keep a charge and the game will start later if you get time?

[thechuck51]

Or maybe you are the mafia busdriver and can subtely state things that others know is true from their perspective!

Or I am just able to think logically. The reason I believe there is a bus driver is that I inspected shaggy and got "opal" as a result. Last night kageryuu was killed and his name was revealed to be opal. Now unless there are two opals my N2 result must have actually been from kageryuu. Hence shaggy and he were busdriven. So either shaggy bussed himself and kageryuu N2 or there is another busdriver.

Because you weren't kidnapped!

I didn't say I was. I was just responding to LSU

True that ... and being mafia you must be looking at him sideways and saying "what you talkin bout Willis?"

You are wrong about me being mafia but you are right that I am suspicious of his claimed win condition.

Nice scum claim. Well thought out. Very clever. Also meaningless in the extreme.
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Why didn't you look at the list of characters and then maybe you'd have done a bit better?

Anyway ... whatever world you have derived your names I am clearly missing it. I find your claim clever but unconvincing and for that reason ... thechuck

Well I was given these names as a result of my inspections and as I got each one I searched the Halo Wiki and got the same stuff you found, none of which I found useful. And to be honest role name's do not appear to be a good way to determine mafia or town but It is not samgrossy's role name that tell me he is scum.

Think about how people respond in game when players are inactive. Usually people ask where he/she is and if the mod can prod or replace them for inactivity. How many times do people assume right away that they are prevented from posting? If you can honestly say that it happens often then go ahead and vote me but to me it shows that he knows something the rest of us (at least the rest of the town) don't.

[thechuck51]

Alright, my main problem with this is that thechuck is sure that sam is scum based solely off knowing his name.

Combined with the fact that he still hasn't explained the votes from yesterday makes me a little concerned. I wouldnt mind campin to confirm the name... He managed to pull kageyru's from the dead list stating he targetted me that night.

Most likely scenario to me atm is that he is a lyncher for sam. Also for what it is worth I don't believe sams vanilla survivor claim. We already had mason'd survivors so it seems a little underpowered.

especially because he claims survivor and also a town win was mentioned in his win condition. you can't really be town and survivor, as survivors are 3rd party. so it seems like we catched him in a lie.

Yeah, cause from what I know survivors can win either way.

The vanilla bit does seem underpowered.

Campin will you confirm whether or not your role name is Colby?

[thehippo8]

@ thechuck - fine response! Others could learn a lot from you! Anyways, I accept what you are saying. It was worth a prod to see if I could get any scum tells as I was playing the Meta for a moment.

Seems everyone wants x-raider gone. I had my vote on him before so I'll return that ... unvote vote x-raider.

And before anyone gets all cocky about me flip-flopping take a look in the mirror and ensure you are happy with your level of activity

[pancakemix]

Haven't read up, but a claim from x-raider seems to be in order.

[pancakemix]

Haven't read up, but a claim from x-raider seems to be in order.

Yeah, sticking with this. Answers from chuck are also in order, but let's sort x-raider first.

I'm willing to drop the hammer if it comes to it.

[zimmah]

@ thechuck - fine response! Others could learn a lot from you! Anyways, I accept what you are saying. It was worth a prod to see if I could get any scum tells as I was playing the Meta for a moment.

Seems everyone wants x-raider gone. I had my vote on him before so I'll return that ... unvote vote x-raider.

And before anyone gets all cocky about me flip-flopping take a look in the mirror and ensure you are happy with your level of activity

Note, i put him at L-2 because he didn't respond for a serious amount of time, and you already voted him so he is still at L-2, but I think this is a minor FoS for skimming and potentially dangerous behavior for almost putting someone at L-1 without thinking it through.

[jak111]

@ thechuck - fine response! Others could learn a lot from you! Anyways, I accept what you are saying. It was worth a prod to see if I could get any scum tells as I was playing the Meta for a moment.

Seems everyone wants x-raider gone. I had my vote on him before so I'll return that ... unvote vote x-raider.

And before anyone gets all cocky about me flip-flopping take a look in the mirror and ensure you are happy with your level of activity

Er.. I didn't mess up the vote count by putting you in two spots... I CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE!!!

Anyway, Hippo is on X-Raider now to be clear to everyone and not on Chuck.

Also, Everywhere will be replacing DiM as DiM has been forum banned for an unknown length of time. (I'm guessing 2 weeks or a month this time?)

[samgrossy]

I think Sam only mentioning being able to win with town is suspicious. Makes me think he's trying hard to look townie. And after a masoned pair of survivors I don't think there would just be a lone vanilla survivor out there. However X-raider not using his night action is more scummy at the moment. Vote X-raider.

I know the pressure is on x-raider right now, but I need to clear up a few things. So, first the masoned pair the were kllled off day 1 were Hunters and not Survivors. I must be part of a fourth faction that have yet to be claimed, except by me. I guessed that I am part of another faction mainly because my the color of my name and role were different than that of the scum (red), town (green), hunters (Purple). My color was blue. Jak is too organized (it seems) to not make this significant.
And I mention my win condition because it shows that while I am not named as a townie, I win if the town wins. I would quote my role PM, but we already saw one mod kill for an "almost" quote.
So we haven't seen any survivors yet. If they are out there, then they can confirm the color and the win condition. If not, let me just say that the hunters killed D1 (red & saf) were NOT part of the survivor faction, so I don't think any argument based on their role is valid.

Lastly, Chuck has yet to provide any solid evidence that I could be scum, and a name doesn't cut it. So, I hope that we can say that chuck is acting really scummy.

[Campin_Killer]

Alright, my main problem with this is that thechuck is sure that sam is scum based solely off knowing his name.

Combined with the fact that he still hasn't explained the votes from yesterday makes me a little concerned. I wouldnt mind campin to confirm the name... He managed to pull kageyru's from the dead list stating he targetted me that night.

Most likely scenario to me atm is that he is a lyncher for sam. Also for what it is worth I don't believe sams vanilla survivor claim. We already had mason'd survivors so it seems a little underpowered.

especially because he claims survivor and also a town win was mentioned in his win condition. you can't really be town and survivor, as survivors are 3rd party. so it seems like we catched him in a lie.

Yeah, cause from what I know survivors can win either way.

The vanilla bit does seem underpowered.

Campin will you confirm whether or not your role name is Colby?

I can confirm that my role name is Colby, but I will not go beyond that

[ShaggyDan]

I support the pressure on x-raider, and will vote the hammer if necessary. That said I definitely am not comfortable with the L-1 at the moment without a chance for him to claim or defend himself. It seems to have gone from pressure to get him posting to pushing for a quick lynch along the line somewhere. At the very least we should get his actions in case he does flip town watcher.

Even if we do decide on x-raider; the chuck and samgrossy issue still has a lot of mileage for the day. No need to rush ahead with a lynch without getting to the bottom of the information already provided.

On that note; while we wait for x-raider to pop up:

I know the pressure is on x-raider right now, but I need to clear up a few things. So, first the masoned pair the were kllled off day 1 were Hunters and not Survivors. I must be part of a fourth faction that have yet to be claimed, except by me. I guessed that I am part of another faction mainly because my the color of my name and role were different than that of the scum (red), town (green), hunters (Purple). My color was blue. Jak is too organized (it seems) to not make this significant.
And I mention my win condition because it shows that while I am not named as a townie, I win if the town wins. I would quote my role PM, but we already saw one mod kill for an "almost" quote.
So we haven't seen any survivors yet. If they are out there, then they can confirm the color and the win condition. If not, let me just say that the hunters killed D1 (red & saf) were NOT part of the survivor faction, so I don't think any argument based on their role is valid.

Lastly, Chuck has yet to provide any solid evidence that I could be scum, and a name doesn't cut it. So, I hope that we can say that chuck is acting really scummy.

The Hunters claimed they had to survive to win. They were hunters, yes, but from the looks of it it seems like they were the only two (no flavour in the scenes, you'd think those gargantuan things would have a night kill)... basically making them mason'd survivors. Your claim that you may be part of another "faction" is a little worrying... a survivor that wins only with the town (correct me if I've mis-interpreted your claim) is really just a Vanilla Townie. That and the fact that you're claiming vanilla survivor seems vastly underpowered and unbalanced to what we've already seen. I find it extremely likely at the moment that you are, at least in part, fakeclaiming or withholding information.

I agree with your point about Chuck. I would very much like him to explain his evidence for voting you, because at the moment he has given no reason at all except that he knows your name.

Basically, I don't trust either of you atm .

[samgrossy]

And before anyone gets all cocky about me flip-flopping take a look in the mirror and ensure you are happy with your level of activity

I'm pretty happy

[safariguy5]

As stated, the hunter names were not any notable hunters. Random USNC marines need not all be named Johnson. As I said before, we can come back to this later, but lack of action from x-raider should be number one priority I think.