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Ooooh tough guy foed me.. poor muffin.. D: its okay, I forgive you <3. Like I'd join any of your games anyhow bubbmviola wrote:t's ok though, I understand you don't have the intelligence required to follow the situation closely. I'll just foe you because you're an idiot who didn't know when to stop.
I have to agree with this... I wonder what is the score right nowTheCrown wrote:I just find it strange to be in a tourney and I have been playing my 9 games for quite some time and another group had not even started theirs. Seems like every group getting 3 games at the same time to start the tourney would have gotten everyone involved at the same time. Then maybe every 2 weeks send out the next 3 games for everyone, and then 2 weeks later send out the last 3 games for everyone. Then the whole tourney would have been active and moving forward within a month. All results would have come in about the same time. This would have saved about 4 months time in the preliminaries round.
And maybe it's a guy thing, but we like to see standings of how the teams are progressing. Team 1 = 3-1, Team 2 = 2-5, etc.
TheCrown wrote:I just find it strange to be in a tourney and I have been playing my 9 games for quite some time and another group had not even started theirs. Seems like every group getting 3 games at the same time to start the tourney would have gotten everyone involved at the same time. Then maybe every 2 weeks send out the next 3 games for everyone, and then 2 weeks later send out the last 3 games for everyone. Then the whole tourney would have been active and moving forward within a month. All results would have come in about the same time. This would have saved about 4 months time in the preliminaries round.
And maybe it's a guy thing, but we like to see standings of how the teams are progressing. Team 1 = 3-1, Team 2 = 2-5, etc.
darkseb wrote:I have to agree with this... I wonder what is the score right now![]()
But it appears BG's team his winning so its pointless to play the rest of the game

Mviola, where did 9 games start in the span of a week? There is no team in the tournament who had 9 games start in a week. I am not sure why you are fibbing here.mviola wrote:
Also, I'm pretty sure it says 3 invites every week for 3 weeks, not 9 games starting in the span of a week.
I understand the point that you and TC are trying to make. But as I already explained before several times, that is not the way I choose to run things. If you disagree with that- it is perfectly fine and you have that right. However, I did things exactly as I stated in my format post. It seems like your partner signed you up for this tourney without your knowing, and you had no idea of the format when the tourney started. It may seem like poor planning and execution to you, but I still have to do it in the way that is easiest for me to run. I honestly didn't think every team not starting at the same time would be a big deal. 16 teams all starting 3 games at once at the same time (48 games) seems too many to make at once. At least for me it was. Instead of burdening myself, I decided to divide up the work evenly- giving myself a set amount of games to make and invites to send out every week. For me, a goal is easier to accomplish when I do small steps at a time instead of trying to overload myself all at once.mviola wrote:Exactly the point I'm trying to make here. It's poor planning and execution on her part.


no its not against the rules to have no brain... Since you are dumb enough to figure it out on your own I'll translate it to you. I did read the format but yesterday I accepted 4 invites, currently I have 2 new. Last week I started 3 games which puts all games within a week.NoSurvivors wrote:Can't defend my friend.. What, is that against the CC rules too bubb?if it truely helps you sleep at night, I'm sorry bubb, I am wrong, you're right.. Does that help your e-feelings at all? Is that what you wanted to hear? Good.. Now stop being a jerk and maybe learn to read the format of the tourney when joining tourneys.. Seriously bubb.. Did they not teach you that skill in grade 1?
You mean about the one that you started editing on Wed Oct 03, 2012(that was after few players reacted)... I know about that one but those stats doesn't belong in second page.VioIet wrote:That was the post that I kept trying to point Goranz to; the one that I constantly edit.
GoranZ wrote:I know about that one but those stats doesn't belong in second page.
VioIet wrote:I probably should have made a blank post on page 1 so that I could later insert it there. That way people could find it in an easier manner. My bad on that one.
Since when having no room on first page is a problem? There are handful other ways to achieve the same effect within 1 post.NoSurvivors wrote:GoranZ wrote:I know about that one but those stats doesn't belong in second page.VioIet wrote:I probably should have made a blank post on page 1 so that I could later insert it there. That way people could find it in an easier manner. My bad on that one.
To be precise 9 days if I accept the last invite today.VioIet wrote:Mviola, where did 9 games start in the span of a week? There is no team in the tournament who had 9 games start in a week. I am not sure why you are fibbing here.mviola wrote:
Also, I'm pretty sure it says 3 invites every week for 3 weeks, not 9 games starting in the span of a week.
I'm actually not sure what you mean here. Please elaborate. What other ways? Just keep in mind though, that I am not going to copy/paste it to the OP. But if you have other ideas, I'd love to hear.Since when having no room on first page is a problem? There are handful other ways to achieve the same effect within 1 post.
10 days; however, I began sending out the invites the week of 09/23. I explained all of that above. Mviola has no need to exaggerate, and she doesn't seem to understand what really happened with the invites and why things were delayed.To be precise 9 days if I accept the last invite today.
This is not correct. Please see above.no its not against the rules to have no brain... Since you are dumb enough to figure it out on your own I'll translate it to you. I did read the format but yesterday I accepted 4 invites, currently I have 2 new. Last week I started 3 games which puts all games within a week.
My apologies on that one. I got Hook's team confused with Momo's team. I just knew there was one invite you had missed and assumed it was the one against Hook's team. And yes, I know that more games were missing, but that wasn't really the point here. It was not the time for three of them been created yet- and it meant that one Hook game would have still been missing. When I realized my mistake, and saw I had extra room in the game-finder, I decided to re-make the last Hook game.The game that I was re invited into was Game 11724875Watch game... I don't see Hook2 in it but if you do you should visit a Doctor, he can help you. For your information more then 1 game was missing, and some games are still missing even now.
I kinda understand what you mean here, especially if you think about how standings are done in sports. I do keep track of the wins (not losses though, because it's really not important in this tourney) in a post on the second page. But remember, DS games take a long time to finish, and for the first few weeks or even first month, there are not enough games finished or wins for it to be worth being tracked. It's a different type of tourney. But when enough games have finished, I do start posting wins. Also, I thought each individual team would have a good enough idea of how well they are doing in their own group. To me- standings means when you get an idea of how a team ranks amongst the other teams in his group/division. If every team just has one win each- it doesn't make sense to me to post standings yet. Once leaders start emerging- then definitely.For all normal world standings mean current standings regardless if the round is finished or not, except for you. But since we are not mind readers you should have written what you mean in the first page.
I'm not sure if you were including both the times when I edited the OP and when I edited the post on page 2. I am pretty certain that one of the other was edited within a month. But yes, it has been over a month since I edited the OP. It doesn't need anymore editing- especially once sign-ups concluded. I honestly, don't think it listed all the timestamps either. It should, of course- but I don't believe that it did for whatever reason. I can't prove that though. I just know that I edited the page 2 post once a week on average.I quoted when did u edit out your posts... and it was over 1 month between some action from you. Your logic is amazing it works only for you
I still don't think that I am doing things wrong. The fact that I am not doing things the way you feel I should be, does not necessarily make them wrong. What you listed is a guideline (posting once every 30 days). Yes, its what I should be doing; however, I didn't because there was no reason for me to make a new post yet. I could've said something like, "Round 1 is still in progress," but I had already said that, and didn't see a need to say it again. Just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I was also doing most of my communication via pm, with those who had questions. My whole objective is to make sure the tourney is fair, follows the format, and that I track the wins accurately, the right people advance and so forth. Also, perhaps that rule that Nosurvivors stated is not strictly followed, because the tourney I am in has lasted for over a year. Or it's possible the TD's don't know about it. It's a great tourney by the way, and the nature of the format is what makes it so ongoing. Also, I wonder if clan tournaments are exempt from this one, because CL and CC can last over a year.Actually you not knowing the current rules has a lot with what you are doing wrong in here. Btw the rule is almost 2 years old

Christ, for the last time, no.VioIet wrote:Goranz, here is a break-down of your team's games and exactly what happened:
October 13- 6th, 7th, 8th games started
Oct 11- 3rd game started
October 3- 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th games started
1 game hasn’t started yet. This is 8 games starting in 10 days. This is a week in a half. But why was this?
The week of- 09/23- first set of 3 invites sent out (in all three- someone missed an invite, so they did not start.
The week of 09/30- second set of three invites sent out, and invites for the first three games re-sent. 2 of the first three games started, and 2 of the second set of games started. One invite was missed in the second batch of games- which is why only 2 started in that batch. An invite was missed for the second time in a row in the first 3-set of games. I did not re-send that invite. So only two of those games started. This makes four games total starting on the same day, October 3.
The week of 10/07- the third set of three invites were sent out. That should’ve been about two nights ago. I would have sent those games out sooner, however I tried to give your group some extra time, as a courtesy. All three of those games started today.
Last night, October 12, I re-made the game that had been deleted. Normally, this game would’ve had to wait about another month to be re-made. However, in game finder, I still had spots left over for Group 3. So it wouldn’t be too confusing to make this game now while those slots were still available. Keep in mind, this game should’ve started the week before 09/30. Due to missed invites, it started late.
But your group unfortunately, seemed to have the most issues with missed invites. Not necessarily from your team, but from the teams you are playing against in your group. So yes, that messed up the natural starting time of the games. I can’t control that your games started later than they were supposed to; and that more than three game started at once due to missed invites. I sent the original invites out at the time they were supposed to. I feel that is what you and mviola are not understanding.
10 days; however, I began sending out the invites the week of 09/23. I explained all of that above. Mviola has no need to exaggerate, and she doesn't seem to understand what really happened with the invites and why things were delayed.[/quote]To be precise 9 days if I accept the last invite today.
That actually does look very organized.TheCrown wrote:Dear Vi, when you make your 1st batch of games, you can label them accordingly. For example:
Game Label: Prelims - Group 1 - 1st batch
Game Label: Prelims - Group 2 - 1st batch
Game Label: Prelims - Group 3 - 1st batch
Game Label: Prelims - Group 4 - 1st batch
or
Game Label: Prelims - Group 1 - 1 vs. 4
Game Label: Prelims - Group 1 - 2 vs. 3
Thank you CrownTheCrown wrote:My Avalanche tourneys are made by levels to have everyone going at once... just something to think about. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say that we appreciate your time you spend on making a tourney. And I especially enjoy your responses on this thread and marvel and how you don't explode at us...
HeheTheCrown wrote: And I especially enjoy your responses on this thread and marvel and how you don't explode at us...

He*10 days; however, I began sending out the invites the week of 09/23. I explained all of that above. Mviola has no need to exaggerate, and she doesn't seem to understand what really happened with the invites and why things were delayed.To be precise 9 days if I accept the last invite today.
Hmm, I think you meant to say, "too short,", instead of "too long." Yes, I agree that 8-9 games starting in 10 days is normally too many. But things got a bit messed up in your group with the missed invites- which is why it happened that way.mviola wrote:The point still stands, even with the estimate that I made. A week or nine days or ten days is too long.
As I had stated previously, I normally don't re-invite. I will if I happen to blatantly catch it, or if someone asks me to re-invite. The thing is, I typically only check game finder once a week. Once I create all the games- send all the invites- I naturally assume that all will be accepted and all is well. Of course, that is not always the case. But it is not my mindset that, "oh this team is going to reject all of their invites, so I better re-check the games the next night or so."mviola wrote:
Christ, for the last time, no.
My issue is that it took you at least a week to reinvite. If you're going to say in the tourney description you will send out 3 invites every week for 3 weeks, and then when someone misses, it takes you a week to reinvite, it unfairly adds a high game load that no one else in the tourney except for our group got. The first few turns in a Das Schloß game are the most important, and having more of those turns where I need to coordinate with my team is unfair.

We don't need one game, cause we joined that one game and your team didn't.VioIet wrote:
Group 2
12. slickstick, soundman, madmom - 3 wins
1. VioIet & Falkomagno & jsnyder748 - 5 wins
11. aaronvollrath, friesuschrist, beeps- 2 wins
13. Benga, Jug68,V.J.- 4 wins
Needs
1 game- Violet & Benga
3 games- aaron & benga
This is incorrect. All games need to be played to have accurate results. It is not fair to the other teams in your group to play less/more games. Everyone should play 9 games.benga wrote:We don't need one game, cause we joined that one game and your team didn't.
That is not how the tournament works. You must play a game for a win- it will not just be handed to you. If I did that for your team- I'd also have to grant a win to every team that had an opposing team member miss an invite. That would skew the results unfairly.benga wrote: It just stood there for 2 weeks before the game disappeared.
It should count as our win.
As I've stated countless times already, I do not typically re-invite. I don't know what about that is not clear. And it doesn't matter if its my teammate or not- I treat all teams equally. Any game that needs to be re-made will be done so at the end of Round 1.benga wrote:
And it was pretty awkward, as you also joined the game and never cared if it ever started.

benga wrote:So if I don't join my game like you guys didn't you will be sending invites forever?
Okay, I have no problem with that.

So your teammate recevied 3 invites and he joined only 2 games,VioIet wrote:benga wrote:So if I don't join my game like you guys didn't you will be sending invites forever?
Okay, I have no problem with that.
I don't believe that anyone misses an invite on purpose. If I feel that a particular player is purposely declining their invites again and again, without any good reason- then I will have to come up with an alternative. Most likely- that team member will have to be replaced. But I don't expect to have to do that for any team in this tournament.
benga wrote:
So your teammate received 3 invites and he joined only 2 games,
do you have different approach for your team and others?
And how will you figure out are the misses accidental or not?


I'm with benga on this one... Your actions doesn't support your statements. Your teammate misses 1 invite and accepted 2 other in the same time. Can he or you explain that? If you cant will you replace him as you state in your previous messages?VioIet wrote:benga wrote:
So your teammate received 3 invites and he joined only 2 games,
do you have different approach for your team and others?
And how will you figure out are the misses accidental or not?
I have the same approach for every team, regardless if its my team or not. I already stated that above.
I assume all misses are accidental. It doesn't make sense that anyone would purposely be missing. If they are purposely missing, they will need to explain why.
Can you define habitual misses? 3 in whole tournament, 6 or more... For example over 60% of my games in round 1 didn't started on time and yet no one hasn't been even warned.VioIet wrote:Anyone with habitual misses will be replaced.
Lol, I'm sure it was accidental. He probably didn't come online in time and missed one of them.GoranZ wrote: I'm with benga on this one... Your actions doesn't support your statements. Your teammate misses 1 invite and accepted 2 other in the same time. Can he or you explain that? If you cant will you replace him as you state in your previous messages?
It was a different player who kept missing in all of your games. Habitual misses will be when the same player misses time and time again. Nobody did anything wrong, so no warnings are necessary.GoranZ wrote:Can you define habitual misses? 3 in whole tournament, 6 or more... For example over 60% of my games in round 1 didn't started on time and yet no one hasn't been even warned.

Amazing explanation, I bet even little kids wont believe you lolVioIet wrote:Lol, I'm sure it was accidental. He probably didn't come online in time and missed one of them.GoranZ wrote: I'm with benga on this one... Your actions doesn't support your statements. Your teammate misses 1 invite and accepted 2 other in the same time. Can he or you explain that? If you cant will you replace him as you state in your previous messages?
I will repeat the question: Can you define habitual misses? preferably with precise number.VioIet wrote:It was a different player who kept missing in all of your games. Habitual misses will be when the same player misses time and time again. Nobody did anything wrong, so no warnings are necessary.GoranZ wrote:Can you define habitual misses? 3 in whole tournament, 6 or more... For example over 60% of my games in round 1 didn't started on time and yet no one hasn't been even warned.
He may not have been the last to join. Also how can you say he logged on twice that day? Couldn't he be online for over four hours at a time? There could be a million probable reasons why he missed. If you want to know why he missed his invite, you should ask him. That would take all the guesswork out of it. While you're at it, maybe you can also explain why you missed your invite as well.GoranZ wrote:
Lets see what numbers say. Times are in CET...
2012-09-19 03:14:43 - Game 11649995 has been initialized
2012-09-19 07:14:37 - Game 11649993 has been initialized
Games started with 4 hours difference which mean your teammate was on at least twice that day(assuming he accepted the invites last).
I will repeat my answer:GoranZ wrote: I will repeat the question: Can you define habitual misses?
time (1) + time (1) + again (1) = 3GoranZ wrote:Preferably with precise number:
