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No, what's really annoying is when people try to do something good and other people complain for no good reason because I fail to see how this could negativly affect us.alstergren wrote:Nameless One wrote:No one is making anybody do anything, u don't have to use this list at all, u could completely ignore it. In the end, it is up to the person to put these people on their ignore list, no one is forcing them.Hehe… well, well… If I have to spell it out one more time: This list and the people taking part of it is a bunch of very annoying people. The self-righteousness is beyond words. And I find it to be quite appalling. The whole "J'accuse!" thing is ridiculous.Nameless One wrote:No one is making anybody do anything, u don't have to use this list at all, u could completely ignore it. In the end, it is up to the person to put these people on their ignore list, no one is forcing them.
And yes. I will gladly ignore this thread when people stop harassing other players under the clout of public backing like this. In short: Mind your own business, use your ignore list and stop being so pretentious.
I beg to differ. This "list" and the people behind it are ridiculous. And I believe that something good may come out of pointing out that there's a big, pink elephant in the room.Nameless One wrote:No, what's really annoying is when people try to do something good and other people complain for no good reason because I fail to see how this could negativly affect us.
Gengoldy wrote:Of all the games I've played, and there have been some poor sports and cursing players out there, you are by far the lowest and with the least class.
alstergren wrote:I beg to differ. This "list" and the people behind it are ridiculous. And I believe that something good may come out of pointing out that there's a big, pink elephant in the room.Nameless One wrote:No, what's really annoying is when people try to do something good and other people complain for no good reason because I fail to see how this could negativly affect us.
As far as negative effects is concerned, those effects hit the people being singled out and prosecuted by these nonsense do-gooders with no sense of basic politeness.

Yes, you do fail to see. If you don't see why a self-appointed self-righteous oligarchy creates a mechanism whereby accusations can be made by anyone and judged by only a few, then you definitely aren't seeing the point being made by dissent to such a committee.Nameless One wrote:...I fail to see how this could negativly affect us.
In the Cheat and Abuse Forum rule violations are dealt with. And, the mods are looking into it, making it clear whether or not a rule violation has occured. After that, players are either banned or cleared. This works fine.freezie wrote:So, pointing out multis or secret alliances in the cheat forums is persecuting those people? Please develop your argument on why this list is that much different.
Simtom has ''persectued'' hundreds of games, yet you say he shouldn't be here?
Gengoldy wrote:Of all the games I've played, and there have been some poor sports and cursing players out there, you are by far the lowest and with the least class.
I also don't see how such a "committee" provides any significant value for most anyone beyond what is already generously provided by the existing system.alstergren wrote: In the Cheat and Abuse Forum rule violations are dealt with. And, the mods are looking into it, making it clear whether or not a rule violation has occured. After that, players are either banned or cleared. This works fine.
All of the people on the ignore list deserves to be on it. It maybe a small number of people judging but it they will be smart about making who stays on the list.cleveridea wrote:Yes, you do fail to see. If you don't see why a self-appointed self-righteous oligarchy creates a mechanism whereby accusations can be made by anyone and judged by only a few, then you definitely aren't seeing the point being made by dissent to such a committee.Nameless One wrote:...I fail to see how this could negativly affect us.
The stated purpose of this committee is to help the casual gamer make snap decisions on who should be on their ignore list. Sure, it doesn't have any authority to make that happen. No one is arguing that you do have that authority - so stop defending on that basis.
The point is that the exact same rationale that the casual gamer is very likely to "benefit" from the fruits of this committee - they are likely to assume that this committee has some sort broad support by the die-hard gamers in the community.
With the exception of tahitiwini, the fact that all dissent to this committee has evoked bellicose and overly emotional response proves my point of the unworthiness of both this committee and the members of it to conduct such an ill-conceived effort.
Not all newbs check the forums before entering a game for the first time because most will want to start playing right away, this is to make sure they don't play with the wrong kinds of people and hate the game just because some person wanted to do something stupid or use unfair or annoying tactics.cleveridea wrote:I also don't see how such a "committee" provides any significant value for most anyone beyond what is already generously provided by the existing system.alstergren wrote: In the Cheat and Abuse Forum rule violations are dealt with. And, the mods are looking into it, making it clear whether or not a rule violation has occured. After that, players are either banned or cleared. This works fine.
When I was new it took very little effort to comb the forums and examine the feedback system to know who were the black holes to avoid.
So for me this committee is at best about helping those who are simply too lazy to help themselves, and it is at worst a witch-hunt. The entire range of that spectrum of possibility disgusts me.
Soooo... let me see if i understand this... if they don't visit the forums THEN they haven't seen your black list SO you haven't "made sure they don't play with the wrong kinds of people" WHICH means they will "hate the game because because because".Nameless One wrote:Not all newbs check the forums before entering a game for the first time because most will want to start playing right away, this is to make sure they don't play with the wrong kinds of people and hate the game just because some person wanted to do something stupid or use unfair or annoying tactics.cleveridea wrote:I also don't see how such a "committee" provides any significant value for most anyone beyond what is already generously provided by the existing system.alstergren wrote: In the Cheat and Abuse Forum rule violations are dealt with. And, the mods are looking into it, making it clear whether or not a rule violation has occured. After that, players are either banned or cleared. This works fine.
When I was new it took very little effort to comb the forums and examine the feedback system to know who were the black holes to avoid.
So for me this committee is at best about helping those who are simply too lazy to help themselves, and it is at worst a witch-hunt. The entire range of that spectrum of possibility disgusts me.
First of all, there's only one name on the list so far and his reason is actually valid for being on the list. Secondly, the people that don't want to come are the people who are on the list and I rather not play with anyone on this list.swiftyswift wrote:You losers take this game way too seriously. ITS A FREAKING GAME!!!
Outlawing people from your games because they use swears, or because they borg, or whatever else the case is nonsense. Come on! So be it...we all know it sucks but we all deal with it. When you start completely black-flagging people because of these stupid reasons you end up creating a place where people don't want to come to. Losen up and get a life. ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS!!
Besides there is a place where this ridiculousness doesn't happen...it's called LANDGRAB. For all of you who don't want to deal with these nerds sitting at their computers all day contemplating ways to whine about about players... come on over. The water is nice.
I'm not saying all people quit when they come across their first annoying player, it's just some probably do and even if they don't, they will have an unenjoyable experince playing this game. Everyone always complains about how someone does something unfair and either someone gives a "solution" of not playing a gametype completely, agreeing with the player, or disagreeing saying it's a stratagy. Most fall in the first two. It's funny how people can complain about something but never do anything about it and when someone does, he gets shot down, and I have yet to see anyone giving a good reason why.Robinette wrote:Soooo... let me see if i understand this... if they don't visit the forums THEN they haven't seen your black list SO you haven't "made sure they don't play with the wrong kinds of people" WHICH means they will "hate the game because because because".Nameless One wrote:Not all newbs check the forums before entering a game for the first time because most will want to start playing right away, this is to make sure they don't play with the wrong kinds of people and hate the game just because some person wanted to do something stupid or use unfair or annoying tactics.cleveridea wrote:I also don't see how such a "committee" provides any significant value for most anyone beyond what is already generously provided by the existing system.alstergren wrote: In the Cheat and Abuse Forum rule violations are dealt with. And, the mods are looking into it, making it clear whether or not a rule violation has occured. After that, players are either banned or cleared. This works fine.
When I was new it took very little effort to comb the forums and examine the feedback system to know who were the black holes to avoid.
So for me this committee is at best about helping those who are simply too lazy to help themselves, and it is at worst a witch-hunt. The entire range of that spectrum of possibility disgusts me.
How did any of us survive long enough to actually like this site before this noble effort of yours?
"J'accuse!" le school system for thier failure to teach good sense!
Says which particular over-inflated ego that feels the need to impose their own moral code on the rest of us?Nameless One wrote:All of the people on the ignore list deserves to be on it.
As I said before, this is just a suggustion, we're not making anyone do anything so that doesn't make anyone the boss.Captain Crash wrote:Says which particular over-inflated ego that feels the need to impose their own moral code on the rest of us?Nameless One wrote:All of the people on the ignore list deserves to be on it.
As I have said in the other thread on this topic:
Who died and made you lot boss?
There already exists a fairly simple two step process in which you have two options after you have played some-one:
1 - you enjoy the experience - great, play 'em again, or
2 - you don't like something about their behaviour - so don't play 'em again and if its really offensive to your own standards of behaviour put 'em on your ignore list. If you really want the world to know about their actions then use feedback or the flame forum is that way >>>>
umm... don't attribute simtom's placement on "the list" as reason for his changing behavior. Him starting to play again occurred when he hit 1 and realized he couldn't go any lower.Guilty_Biscuit wrote:I've grown to like the list for the following reasons:
1) There is only 1 person on the list - simtom
2) Since being put on the list simtom has started to play games
Nothing to complain about - yet.