Why would you need a hundred round ammo drum?

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[Phatscotty]

Why would you need this thing for? Really?

[Funkyterrance]

When they finally develop phasers, do you recommend we regulate their battery capacity? IE force them to contain small batteries so they can only fire 10 times before needing a recharge or new battery? I just don't find this to be a valid line of reasoning.

I think that if you could take out say, 100 people before you're "done", yeah there ought to be limits on phasers sold to civilians.
These questions are all revolving around the issue of whether or not your "average joe" should be trusted with a weapon that has the potential to take out dozens of people before anyone else even knows what happened.

[Phatscotty]

Has anyone ever killed 100 people with 1 clip?

What are the circumstances of the ones that got the closest?

[xeno]

zombies

I don't think I've pulled one of these from the Mystery Box yet.

Automatic weapons that hold 100 or more rounds in a clip:
Hamr
RPD

For Black Ops 1 is the RPK and HK21 and for WAW it's the M1919 and MG42.

Cod fags!!! And it's about that m249 so many headshots no need to reload everyone's just running into my bullets I'm fucking Rambo yeahhhh!!

[Lootifer]

EDIT: I also think the hunting and self protection arguments take a serious back-seat to the "target shooting is fun" aspect. Nobody wants to shoot anybody. The hunting season is short, the animal tags are limited, it's hard to find property. But target shooting is readily available and enjoyable. Everything else takes a backseat. When you are 8 and you get a .22 it's not for defense against the government and not initially for hunting. It's for practice and fun.

I can agree with that, but is there any loss in fun with you not being able to take your 30 round mag home after you're done at the range?

[Funkyterrance]

I can agree with that, but is there any loss in fun with you not being able to take your 30 round mag home after you're done at the range?

Now there's a thought.

[BigBallinStalin]

When you are 8 and you get a .22 it's not for defense against the government and not initially for hunting. It's for practice and fun.

Great point. Most people don't understand this about guns, so they readily scream for regulation/prohibition with the hope that it would stop mass killings and reduce homicides.



@Loot,
Yeah there is. It's inconvenient, and such a law won't prevent whatever it is you're intending it to do (e.g. curtail mass killings cuz 30 round magazines cause mass killings, blah blah blah).

[Funkyterrance]

When you are 8 and you get a .22 it's not for defense against the government and not initially for hunting. It's for practice and fun.

Great point. Most people don't understand this about guns, so they readily scream for regulation/prohibition with the hope that it would stop mass killings and reduce homicides.

It's not that people don't understand this about guns, it's just that very few people these days start out that early with real guns and hence we have many walking around thinking they are more experienced than they actually are.

[pimpdave]

Well....

These kinds of mass killings have been going on since the dawn of time. Seriously. Go read a newspaper from say, 1795-1800. I know there was at least one big story of a guy who hatcheted his entire family to death and then killed himself. I forget which year, but it was in one of the Boston papers around that time (that man is, naturally, heralded by the Tea Party Death Squads as one of their founding fathers. WHY HOW DARE THEY!).

Point is, this stuff will happen forever, but having a machine gun with 30+ rounds probably makes the body count of the killing spree much higher.

How would possible Tea Party Death Squad Operative Adam Lanza have fared with a hatchet, I wonder.

[BigBallinStalin]

When you are 8 and you get a .22 it's not for defense against the government and not initially for hunting. It's for practice and fun.

Great point. Most people don't understand this about guns, so they readily scream for regulation/prohibition with the hope that it would stop mass killings and reduce homicides.

It's not that people don't understand this about guns, it's just that very few people these days start out that early with real guns and hence we have many walking around thinking they are more experienced than they actually are.

I really doubt that. Most people I know who've actually been around guns for much of their lives don't fit that description.

The main point is that many people who aren't around guns feel hardly any problems in curtailing many people's fun. Those prohibitionists don't prescribe to a free society because they feel that prohibition will reduce homicides and crime and that prohibition is worth the costs of preventing a particular group of people from enjoying themselves.

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[pimpdave]

BBS, how about the 30+ round mags just stay at the range? I mean, f*ck yeah we should still get to machine gun the shit out of inanimate objects, just make them harder to get to when someone breaks with reality and impulsively decides to go on a murder spree.

Unfortunately, most of these guys don't leave many reasons, which of course just speaks to the craftiness of the Tea Party's Death Squads, but in the incredibly rare event the shooter is not affiliated with that racist, violent organization, I'd bet at least 90% of these acts aren't meticulously planned and just sort of... happen. And then there's no turning back.

[pimpdave]

We can all tell bedub1 has no, or only very rudimentary, training with firearms. They're called magazines. Or mags. Clips are what the ammo comes in that you then load into the mag.

[Funkyterrance]

When you are 8 and you get a .22 it's not for defense against the government and not initially for hunting. It's for practice and fun.

Great point. Most people don't understand this about guns, so they readily scream for regulation/prohibition with the hope that it would stop mass killings and reduce homicides.

It's not that people don't understand this about guns, it's just that very few people these days start out that early with real guns and hence we have many walking around thinking they are more experienced than they actually are.

I really doubt that. Most people I know who've actually been around guns for much of their lives don't fit that description.

It sounds like you missed my point. I'm saying that those actually experienced gun owners(those who have been familiar with guns their whole lives AKA since very young) are actually quite uncommon in this day and age. What we have is droves of people who picked up guns as a "fun" hobby in their adulthood. These people are the reason guns need to be regulated since they have a false security in regard to their comfort level and overall level of respect for guns.
I know many people who:
A:Have been using firearms nearly as long as they were able to walk.
B:Use firearms for killing animals (my family is full of very experienced hunters).

Of all these people, I can' think if a single one who fires their guns for "fun". They use target practice as a means to setting the accuracy of their guns, proper maintenance and perhaps to brush up lightly on their skills or in the event in which they acquire a new gun. The people I know who shoot for fun are those who started late in the game and are basically fulfilling their missed childhood experiences that veteran gun users got out of their systems decades ago. If anything, seasoned gun users view this practice as a waste of ammo and I tend to agree.

[Lootifer]

EDIT: I also think the hunting and self protection arguments take a serious back-seat to the "target shooting is fun" aspect. Nobody wants to shoot anybody. The hunting season is short, the animal tags are limited, it's hard to find property. But target shooting is readily available and enjoyable. Everything else takes a backseat. When you are 8 and you get a .22 it's not for defense against the government and not initially for hunting. It's for practice and fun.

I can agree with that, but is there any loss in fun with you not being able to take your 30 round mag home after you're done at the range?

Yes, because I don't always go to the same range. Sometimes I don't go to the range at all, and go to federal land where shooting outside is legal.

The problem is this: Where do you set the limit? How many "people" is it okay? 10 round clips for 10 people? 30 round clips for 30 people? I set NO limits, because the size of the magazine isn't relevant, and the second you try to set limits, you end up with a slippery slope where somebody wants 1 round clips. then somebody wants 0 round clips.

If you want to stop people from killing mass amounts of people, your regulation has to extend beyond magazine sizes. airplanes can't carry over 10 people. An airplane carrying 100 people could be hijacked and all the people killed far too easy. No theaters with more then 10 people in them. Too many people in a confined space are too easy to kill. No large stadiums.

I cant argue here; firstly I have no concept of the fun associated with shooting a firearm, secondly because the link between magazine size and public safety is a very difficult topic of research and borders on the unknowable.

However its a simple matter of solving two issues when it comes to spree shootings: first and foremost you should focus on preventing the conversion of desire into action (i.e. mental health), second step is to prevent, once that desire has been converted, the person from being able to carry out the spree (i.e. gun safes, magazine limitations, semi-automatic rifle restrictions, etc), and finally, if all else fails, you should be purely reactive and arm everyone to the teeth such that if a crazy walks thru the door you can neutralise them immediately.

I can agree to disagree with the gun advocates on this forum that they would put points 2 and 3 above in a different order (in fact they skip two and go straight to three).

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[Funkyterrance]

Once the rifle is sighted in, why bother to shoot anymore?

There, you answered your own question. There is no point. The people/family members whom I know that hunt are out not for the enjoyment of firing their gun(as I said they've gotten that out of their systems unless they get a new gun and then it's only momentary) but for the enjoyment of hunting combined with the reward AKA game. And tbh, I don't have any "hunting buddies". I've got family and other guys I know who hunt but like myself, they prefer to hunt alone for the most part and generally around our own neighborhoods. I know that hunting trips, etc., are commonly arranged as a sort of social gathering but nobody I know has the time to dedicate to this sort of thing.
So in your case it's for nostalgia's sake I guess you are saying? I suppose I don't see a problem with that, it's your time/money but It's arguably a waste of good ammo. You should put those rounds to good use if you've got the time to target practice and the skills to hunt. Just send the meat to me.

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[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, how about the 30+ round mags just stay at the range? I mean, f*ck yeah we should still get to machine gun the shit out of inanimate objects, just make them harder to get to when someone breaks with reality and impulsively decides to go on a murder spree.

Unfortunately, most of these guys don't leave many reasons, which of course just speaks to the craftiness of the Tea Party's Death Squads, but in the incredibly rare event the shooter is not affiliated with that racist, violent organization, I'd bet at least 90% of these acts aren't meticulously planned and just sort of... happen. And then there's no turning back.

If they're a dedicated member of the Tea Party Death Squad, then a local shooting range's glass case which holds those 30+ round mags will not pose a problem. If we want real solutions, we must address the fundamental causes.

[HapSmo19]

We can all tell bedub1 has no, or only very rudimentary, training with firearms. They're called magazines. Or mags. Clips are what the ammo comes in that you then load into the mag.

Try again, numbnuts.

[Funkyterrance]

Canadian Geese and Ducks weren't very tasty and too much work

Yeah, too greasy.