Moderator: Community Team

If you take the percentage of players who actually take the time to start dice complaining threads it's actually pretty small. Could not these players be the playthings of some unknown torturer? We have had officials here in the past who were eventually deemed unstable and unfit for their positions. These individuals were able to slip through the cracks for some time, why couldn't that happen in regard to dice. Again, it's a slim chance but not impossible.Arama86n wrote:What you are suggesting in the first part of your post is even more far-fetched than the average dice-complainer will come up with.It seems that you are suggesting that some master-programmer has rigged CC in such a sophisticated manner as to be able to read the game and localize the key point in the game when player A needs good dice, and then hack the game changing his dice for the worse during that period of the game/ that turn. And this either without the administrators knowledge, or with their consent?

The odds aren't slim. rds specifically outsourced his moderating jobs to China so that he could spend more time doing that.Funkyterrance wrote: Just because the odds of rds watching my game and holding down a button that suppresses my dice rolls to 3 or less are very slim doesn't mean it's not possible.

On the contrary, every time I complain about my dice in the forum they show genuine signs of remorse and contrition, and they begin to behave. At least for a little while. Have to be careful not to overuse the technique, though. I find the optimum is one outburst every two weeks. After that they tend to behave themselves and roll properly for at least the next forty rolls.frankiebee wrote:Why dice complainers should not post on the forums:
Fact 1
Complaining on the forums will not help improve your dice.
Yes, and yes. You've misunderstood the concept. Random distributions will tend to show long "streaks" of good and bad.chang50 wrote:As far as the dice goes, my only complaint is the patterns/streak of misfortune. How can something advertised as random be consistently bad for a while and then consistently good for a while? That is the only part that gets to me.
Unless I've totally misunderstood the concept isn't that exactly what randomness will produce,along with periods of average fortune?
Dukasaur wrote:Yes, and yes. You've misunderstood the concept. Random distributions will tend to show long "streaks" of good and bad.chang50 wrote:As far as the dice goes, my only complaint is the patterns/streak of misfortune. How can something advertised as random be consistently bad for a while and then consistently good for a while? That is the only part that gets to me.
Unless I've totally misunderstood the concept isn't that exactly what randomness will produce,along with periods of average fortune?
http://sinepost.wordpress.com/2012/10/3 ... nd-people/
I can personally vouch for this. The extra work is killing me. =)DoomYoshi wrote:The odds aren't slim. rds specifically outsourced his moderating jobs to China so that he could spend more time doing that.Funkyterrance wrote: Just because the odds of rds watching my game and holding down a button that suppresses my dice rolls to 3 or less are very slim doesn't mean it's not possible.
Of course there will be periods of average as well as good and bad, yes.chang50 wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Yes, and yes. You've misunderstood the concept. Random distributions will tend to show long "streaks" of good and bad.chang50 wrote:As far as the dice goes, my only complaint is the patterns/streak of misfortune. How can something advertised as random be consistently bad for a while and then consistently good for a while? That is the only part that gets to me.
Unless I've totally misunderstood the concept isn't that exactly what randomness will produce,along with periods of average fortune?
http://sinepost.wordpress.com/2012/10/3 ... nd-people/
Not sure how that is different to what I wrote,unless I am mistaken in thinking there will be periods of average fortune among the long streaks of good and bad..
Here we have an example of the classic long term dice victim. He has been berated so badly by his fellow players that he has actually started to believe he is to blame for his misfortune. How delicious this must be for his torturer, if he/she does indeed exist.SaMejoHn wrote:Why doesn't everyone just do what I do and talk it over with their therapist? But personally the more games I play the worse my dice. As far as the dice goes, my only complaint is the patterns/streak of misfortune. How can something advertised as random be consistently bad for a while and then consistently good for a while? That is the only part that gets to me. I read so much here about selective memory and all that great stuff. but I never forget the times my dice came through big time in clutch. In fact, if i didn't try to forget all the moments of bad dice i wouldnt even be on this site. but that's just me. so is that really as big a factor as others posit it to be?

Indeed, its' possible. But what's more likely: rolling 1's for the rest of your life in a random situation or the existence of a rigged or not-random system?DoomYoshi wrote:The thing about randomness is that it is defined by unpredictabilty. Let's assume there is an infinite, and random, stream of dice. In that infinite random stream, there is contained an infinite stream of 1s. So it is entirely possible to roll nothing but 1s for your entire life.
Proof: If the longest stream of 1s is only 564 1s long, then we know that the 565th roll is not a 1, and it is therefore not random.

That's not an accurate description of the situation here. CC and its dice mechanism together are not random, in that one can control one's probability of winning a game by playing better--given the constraints of a random setting (e.g. the dice). In other words, although the dice are random, the player's decisions and capabilities are not random, so this is neither a "random situation" nor a "rigged or not-random system." Your dichotomy falls apart like the fortresses of so many ignoble kings.Funkyterrance wrote:Indeed, its' possible. But what's more likely: rolling 1's for the rest of your life in a random situation or the existence of a rigged or not-random system?DoomYoshi wrote:The thing about randomness is that it is defined by unpredictabilty. Let's assume there is an infinite, and random, stream of dice. In that infinite random stream, there is contained an infinite stream of 1s. So it is entirely possible to roll nothing but 1s for your entire life.
Proof: If the longest stream of 1s is only 564 1s long, then we know that the 565th roll is not a 1, and it is therefore not random.
I was only following Yoshi's train of thought here and asking him a question comparing his extreme scenario to mine and I believe showing that his was certainly more far fetched and therefore useless as a counter. I never claimed it was a "this or that" scenario, however. It could very well be somewhere in-between.BigBallinStalin wrote:That's not an accurate description of the situation here. CC and its dice mechanism together are not random, in that one can control one's probability of winning a game by playing better--given the constraints of a random setting (e.g. the dice). In other words, although the dice are random, the player's decisions and capabilities are not random, so this is neither a "random situation" nor a "rigged or not-random system." Your dichotomy falls apart like the fortresses of so many ignoble kings.Funkyterrance wrote: Indeed, its' possible. But what's more likely: rolling 1's for the rest of your life in a random situation or the existence of a rigged or not-random system?
Again, while our ever so keen impressions of what is actually going on with regard to dice complainers may suggest to us otherwise, I am arguing reasonable doubt. I am arguing that supposition is not strong enough evidence to consistently treat dice complainers much like the lowliest mental patient and we the presiding doctors.BigBallinStalin wrote: On Dice Complainers: A Never Ending Trial of Self-Perceived Tribulations
When people condemn the system as 'rigged', many of them may be overlooking the fact that their strategy and their decisions were suboptimal. And, it seems that a large group of people are almost always more likely to blame one's environment (the 'rigged' dice system) instead of blaming oneself for poor decision-making. Of course, the blame they make might not be 100% on dice and 0% on one's decisions, but it seems that of that large group of dice complainers, they attribute too little blame on themselves. A further problem is their confirmation bias, which has been dealt with numerous times by the valid criticizers like natty dread.
Besides, it also psychologically rewarding to vent one's frustration while filtering out valid criticism in order to receive the desired sympathy from other dice complainers. Many dice complainers could be tapping themselves into this "positive" feedback loop with its negative unintended consequences.
Nonetheless, I look forward to the day when more and more people control for their cognitive bias, assess the situation from a more objective viewpoint, and consequentially make the necessary changes to improve themselves and others.

lol no one has berated me...this is first time im posting about dice. and only did so because i have more of a question than a complaint...(which was answered.) i dont approve of being labeled as "long term dice victim"Funkyterrance wrote:Here we have an example of the classic long term dice victim. He has been berated so badly by his fellow players that he has actually started to believe he is to blame for his misfortune. How delicious this must be for his torturer, if he/she does indeed exist.SaMejoHn wrote:Why doesn't everyone just do what I do and talk it over with their therapist? But personally the more games I play the worse my dice. As far as the dice goes, my only complaint is the patterns/streak of misfortune. How can something advertised as random be consistently bad for a while and then consistently good for a while? That is the only part that gets to me. I read so much here about selective memory and all that great stuff. but I never forget the times my dice came through big time in clutch. In fact, if i didn't try to forget all the moments of bad dice i wouldnt even be on this site. but that's just me. so is that really as big a factor as others posit it to be?
It might be in your best interest to accept this title as being a major you would have to be a pretty decent player to overcome this affliction.SaMejoHn wrote:lol no one has berated me...this is first time im posting about dice. and only did so because i have more of a question than a complaint...(which was answered.) i dont approve of being labeled as "long term dice victim"Funkyterrance wrote:
Here we have an example of the classic long term dice victim. He has been berated so badly by his fellow players that he has actually started to believe he is to blame for his misfortune. How delicious this must be for his torturer, if he/she does indeed exist.

lol hmmm... you are right. EVERYDAY MY DICE IS SHIT. Everyone else has SOOO much better dice than me. Im here now because im afraid to take turns.. f*ck CC AND THE BULLSHIT DICE.Funkyterrance wrote:It might be in your best interest to accept this title as being a major you would have to be a pretty decent player to overcome this affliction.SaMejoHn wrote:lol no one has berated me...this is first time im posting about dice. and only did so because i have more of a question than a complaint...(which was answered.) i dont approve of being labeled as "long term dice victim"Funkyterrance wrote:
Here we have an example of the classic long term dice victim. He has been berated so badly by his fellow players that he has actually started to believe he is to blame for his misfortune. How delicious this must be for his torturer, if he/she does indeed exist.
Now you're talking.SaMejoHn wrote:lol hmmm... you are right. EVERYDAY MY DICE IS SHIT. Everyone else has SOOO much better dice than me. Im here now because im afraid to take turns.. f*ck CC AND THE BULLSHIT DICE.Funkyterrance wrote: It might be in your best interest to accept this title as being a major you would have to be a pretty decent player to overcome this affliction.

I'll have to say I've never encountered a dice complainer complaining about the randomness itself. I'm afraid you are beyond my area of expertise, generalhead. I do however have the number of a guy across town who specializes in insanity pleas.generalhead wrote:I am pissed off about how random the dice are. This is bullshit. Some times I get good dice and sometimes I get bad dice.
What the f*ck is up with that?.....
Some times my opponents get good dice and sometimes they get bad dice? I don't understand this bullshit!....
