Don't sell that milk for too little

[Funkyterrance]

The market for cows is no less flexible than any other market.

What? Just no. Of course a market which involves something that takes more planning/time to produce is going to be less flexible.

[Funkyterrance]

That was one of the points I was trying to make. Cows are not some special resource compared to everything else. It can take just as long or longer to get certain equipment for production. A lot of which have custom elements in them. In some cases it would be faster if you need cows and in some cases not.

Of course it all depends. But if you were in short supply of something like adult cows it would take you drastically longer than something that didn't need 3 years to grow. This detail cannot be ignored. If you needed machinery in two weeks, with enough money you could physically make it happen even if none were currently available. There is no way to get adult cows in two weeks if none were available.

[BigBallinStalin]

There's substitutes for milk as well, e.g. water, flavored water, calcium pills, milk-flavored water--if there's a demand, or even smaller quantitities of milk, e.g. 1 liter instead of 1 gallon. In other words, as the price rises, people seek substitutes, and they purchase on the margin (1 liter, reduced consumption, etc.). Hell, substitutes can be found from different geographical areas (e.g. beyond Louisiana from States which sell milk at lower prices at a profit). Who knows, it depends on consumer preferences; therefore, you've bought my argument.

Ok so you've listed a bunch of poor if not unacceptable substitutes for milk. You forgot piss on that list.

Although YOU may not find those to be substitutes, it really doesn't matter what you alone think. You're not the Grand Czar of Substitutes, my friend. The quantity demanded for milk depends on the preferences of the consumers---not just your preferences nor your opportunity cost alone.

A dairy farm need not close down. If it's unprofitable, it can be bought while still operating. If it's profitable enough to continue producing milk at the current quantity, then milk operations will resume. If not, then maybe 10% milk production is reduced, or maybe 100%. The uncertainty on continued production, response time, and other possibilities exists within my analogy and your example.

Response time? Dairy production is capital-intensive, so is cookie production. But your claims aren't true. Cows are alive and take years to produce milk, but so what? Import milk from other States while waiting for cows to attain the correct age. Or, ship those milk cows in. So, it's not 3-4 years, but probably on par with shipping in cookie-producing equipment. If not exactly, then this is a really trivial contention.

You're cheating there though. Importation of adult cows is not a solution. There is no way to get "instant" adult cows, even if you import them from South America. Whoever else has adult cows, they most likely wouldn't have them if they didn't need them for themselves. So you can import baby cows maybe but you're in the same position with immature cows. The supply is just as slow to recover since the problem is not like oil or ore where you can just mine more.

That's not cheating. That's called Markets, baby.

"Hey, Johnny, we need some milk cows in sector 9Z immediately. The prices here are crazy high!"

With that, we lay your qualms to rest.

"The bottom line is, once again, that people are too short sighted for a completely free market to work."

if that was true, then we could make the same argument for almost all other economic goods. Therefore, if this is true, we must impose price controls on everything. Prices don't work on the market, but they definitely work with central planning, amirite?

(Hey, if the Mafia held a gun to your head, would you voluntarily accept my argument?)

With central planning there is enough milk to go around at least. With the market you can get screwed into a situation where for a time there is no milk. I never made any deals with the mafia so I think I'm safe but in the meantime I suggest you mull this over while eating a bowl of cornflakes doused in flavored water.

Sure, cuz the Soviet Union had no shortages! And wartime economies experience no shortages for consumer goods like milk! Amirite?

Anyway, we must insist on free markets for milk--instead of supporting price controls and their inherent inefficiency (waste).

[thegreekdog]

Whomever came up with the name "Hydrox" for a cookie brand should be fired.

[AAFitz]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

[BigBallinStalin]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

[AAFitz]

Whomever came up with the name "Hydrox" for a cookie brand should be fired.

AD COPY:
Hydrox: A chemical weapon?

NO!

Hydrox: A commercial cleaner?

NO!

Hydrox: Is a great tasting cookie. Buy some for your kids today.

Just make sure you don't tell them the name.

[AAFitz]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

No, thats called corrupt science. If you look into the real research, youll find it does the exact opposite.

Now thats science.

[thegreekdog]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

Isn't there something about how midwesterners are taller than other people because they drink more milk? Or something?

the real research

AH!!!! AAFITZ AND PLAYER ARE MULTIS!!!

[BigBallinStalin]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

No, thats called corrupt science. If you look into the real research, youll find it does the exact opposite.

Now thats science.

Yeah well corrupt science and real science are faith-based, and I heard that milks makes you strong, so you're wrong.

[Neoteny]

I believe milks make me strong. That's all you really need.

[AAFitz]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

Isn't there something about how midwesterners are taller than other people because they drink more milk? Or something?

the real research

AH!!!! AAFITZ AND PLAYER ARE MULTIS!!!

Dont take my word for it enlightened one. Look at the research, its impossible to ignore, granted, some of the studies are from Harvard and other lesser universities that dont consider God the creator of everything, but still...its not a bad idea to look at it.

2nd leading killer of men in this country is Prostate cancer.

It exists nearly and almost exclusively in countries that drink milk.

Hell, only about 20% of the worlds population isn't even lactose intolerant.

Again, look it up for yourself, but youre the ignorant one in this banter for sure.

[notyou2]

American capitalism at work. Why do you call yourself "land of the free" when it is obviously a bunch of trumped up hype and outright lies?

Where's phatty when you need him?

[notyou2]

My guess is the guvnah owns the competing supermarket chain, or a senator does, or some other powerful person trampling your rights and freedoms.


RISE UP AMERICA!!!!!!

[AAFitz]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

No, thats called corrupt science. If you look into the real research, youll find it does the exact opposite.

Now thats science.

Yeah well corrupt science and real science are faith-based, and I heard that milks makes you strong, so you're wrong.

Im not anything. Its not my research and at worst, Ive chosen to believe the wrong results, but, at least I have read both sides of the argument, and in my opinion, which has been confirmed by countless health care professionals, is probably the safer one.

And while you are joking, at some point, obviously where your faith lies does ultimately make your decision, but...you are either right or wrong.

[thegreekdog]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

Isn't there something about how midwesterners are taller than other people because they drink more milk? Or something?

the real research

AH!!!! AAFITZ AND PLAYER ARE MULTIS!!!

Dont take my word for it enlightened one. Look at the research, its impossible to ignore, granted, some of the studies are from Harvard and other lesser universities that dont consider God the creator of everything, but still...its not a bad idea to look at it.

2nd leading killer of men in this country is Prostate cancer.

It exists nearly and almost exclusively in countries that drink milk.

Hell, only about 20% of the worlds population isn't even lactose intolerant.

Again, look it up for yourself, but youre the ignorant one in this banter for sure.

I have no opinion on the relative health of consuming milk. I don't drink milk. My son drinks organic whole milk, but he's under 2. I believe you that milk is unhealthy!

I was referring to the statement "the real research" which is something Player would say. In other words, I was trying to be funny and I was not impugning (TGD's word of the day) your post otherwise. In summation - chillax.

[AAFitz]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

Isn't there something about how midwesterners are taller than other people because they drink more milk? Or something?

the real research

AH!!!! AAFITZ AND PLAYER ARE MULTIS!!!

Dont take my word for it enlightened one. Look at the research, its impossible to ignore, granted, some of the studies are from Harvard and other lesser universities that dont consider God the creator of everything, but still...its not a bad idea to look at it.

2nd leading killer of men in this country is Prostate cancer.

It exists nearly and almost exclusively in countries that drink milk.

Hell, only about 20% of the worlds population isn't even lactose intolerant.

Again, look it up for yourself, but youre the ignorant one in this banter for sure.

I have no opinion on the relative health of consuming milk. I don't drink milk. My son drinks organic whole milk, but he's under 2. I believe you that milk is unhealthy!

I was referring to the statement "the real research" which is something Player would say. In other words, I was trying to be funny and I was not impugning (TGD's word of the day) your post otherwise. In summation - chillax.

Well, my dad has a charred organ where his prostate used to be, so maybe I take this one too seriously...and you did compare me to PLAYER!!!!!

Sorry player.

And running the risk of preaching...check out the study Harvard did on Milk for infants. Its worth reading at the very least.

Im not a professional in any way, and Im fully aware I have not put enough time in, nor have the qualifications to understand all of the research that far more qualified professionals debate, however, I feel Ive made an informed decision, and given the risk vs benefit analysis, the right one.

[BigBallinStalin]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

No, thats called corrupt science. If you look into the real research, youll find it does the exact opposite.

Now thats science.

Yeah well corrupt science and real science are faith-based, and I heard that milks makes you strong, so you're wrong.

Im not anything. Its not my research and at worst, Ive chosen to believe the wrong results, but, at least I have read both sides of the argument, and in my opinion, which has been confirmed by countless health care professionals, is probably the safer one.

And while you are joking, at some point, obviously where your faith lies does ultimately make your decision, but...you are either right or wrong.

In summation - chillax.

Yeah, bro, have a glass of milks.

[thegreekdog]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

Isn't there something about how midwesterners are taller than other people because they drink more milk? Or something?

the real research

AH!!!! AAFITZ AND PLAYER ARE MULTIS!!!

Dont take my word for it enlightened one. Look at the research, its impossible to ignore, granted, some of the studies are from Harvard and other lesser universities that dont consider God the creator of everything, but still...its not a bad idea to look at it.

2nd leading killer of men in this country is Prostate cancer.

It exists nearly and almost exclusively in countries that drink milk.

Hell, only about 20% of the worlds population isn't even lactose intolerant.

Again, look it up for yourself, but youre the ignorant one in this banter for sure.

I have no opinion on the relative health of consuming milk. I don't drink milk. My son drinks organic whole milk, but he's under 2. I believe you that milk is unhealthy!

I was referring to the statement "the real research" which is something Player would say. In other words, I was trying to be funny and I was not impugning (TGD's word of the day) your post otherwise. In summation - chillax.

Well, my dad has a charred organ where his prostate used to be, so maybe I take this one too seriously...and you did compare me to PLAYER!!!!!

Sorry player.

And running the risk of preaching...check out the study Harvard did on Milk for infants. Its worth reading at the very least.

Technically, my son is a toddler, not an infant. My daughter is an infant and drinks breast milk. Neither of the milk-drinking habits of my children will change, simply because I do not hold the power in my household in that regard.

[AAFitz]

The real problem here isn't the price of milk, but that it is advertised as a healthy food.

Milks makes you strong. It's called SCIENCE.

No, thats called corrupt science. If you look into the real research, youll find it does the exact opposite.

Now thats science.

Yeah well corrupt science and real science are faith-based, and I heard that milks makes you strong, so you're wrong.

Im not anything. Its not my research and at worst, Ive chosen to believe the wrong results, but, at least I have read both sides of the argument, and in my opinion, which has been confirmed by countless health care professionals, is probably the safer one.

And while you are joking, at some point, obviously where your faith lies does ultimately make your decision, but...you are either right or wrong.

In summation - chillax.

Yeah, bro, have a glass of milks.

Sure thing. Almond, Soy, or Flax.....as long as its not that GMO crap!!!

[AAFitz]

Technically, my son is a toddler, not an infant. My daughter is an infant and drinks breast milk. Neither of the milk-drinking habits of my children will change, simply because I do not hold the power in my household in that regard.

In all seriousness I would never suggest any action other than reading the article, but my brother is in the same situation on that respect. But hey, its just a few articles to read, at worst you get to mock me for believing some silly research.

And trust me, its not conspiracy theory bs research. In a lot of them, you can tell the researchers seem genuinely surprised at what they found.... but like everything, you really do have to research it from as many sources as you can bear.

[BigBallinStalin]

@AA FITZ

I'm actually interested in the SCIENCE because I like milks. Since you've reviewed the literature, please show me the Milky Path to Enlightenment.
(google and wikipedia are as insufficient as a female dog with no tits.)

[tzor]

Yeah, but that slippery slope didn't happen. If Rockefeller is selling oil for so cheap, then his competitors would simply buy it, sell it at market prices, and reap the profits. Or the competitors would limit production, and let Rockefeller incur heavy losses, and when he stops selling for below-cost, then the competitors step in. Or they could emulate his business model, thus becoming as efficient. Etc. etc.

But it can happen when there are major differences in the sizes of the competitors. You can see that in the mega lumber stores; they come into a community where a smaller lumber store is operating and they start taking a major loss. Lower prices plus paying extra staff to be extra helpful. Once the small company goes out of business, they drop the dumping policy and get a small bump from being a practical local monopoly.

You don't see that as often with grocery stores, since grocery stores have a smaller profit margin in general. But some large chains can take out the local general store this way.

[thegreekdog]

Technically, my son is a toddler, not an infant. My daughter is an infant and drinks breast milk. Neither of the milk-drinking habits of my children will change, simply because I do not hold the power in my household in that regard.

In all seriousness I would never suggest any action other than reading the article, but my brother is in the same situation on that respect. But hey, its just a few articles to read, at worst you get to mock me for believing some silly research.

And trust me, its not conspiracy theory bs research. In a lot of them, you can tell the researchers seem genuinely surprised at what they found.... but like everything, you really do have to research it from as many sources as you can bear.

GOD DAMN YOU!!! I'm not mocking you for believing some silly research. I'm mocking you for using the phrase "the real research."

[Neoteny]

The Harvard study I found indicated increased correlation of prostate cancer with whole milk consumption, and decreased with reduced fat milk, which is not found in some other studies.

I'll note that I'm not flipping my shit about this yet. I'm going to maintain my whole milk consumption until some sort of consensus is reached.

EDIT: clarified, and want to add that I don't drink milk for health reasons, but because it is delicious. Similar to drinking dark beers and vodka.