If Marriage Is a Fundamental Right, Then?

[AslanTheKing]

a kid deserves a mom and a dad

Do you believe that single parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

depending on why they are single parents (did one parent die?)
marrying is a commitment for live, it takes responsiblility,
u can divorce , but u dont have to,
u loved that person some day, so much, and now u dont
what happened to you?
she hurt u or what ever, get over it, if u stay strong u can master it
a divorce is not an option

youre gay?
so what
we love u
ure welcome in our society, what do you want now?
a child?
well, then make one
u cant?
i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works

Do you believe an infertile couple shouldn't be allowed to raise children?
a infertile lesbian couple? NO

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids,
but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure

No. No, that's definitely not "for sure". Most of the time, probably. But definitely not "for sure".

bad luck, they get over it and love comes back

[Symmetry]

And given the absolutely huge number of kids in the foster & adoption system, one has to wonder why you hate orphans so much that you won't let them have a family who will love and support them. Heterosexual couples simply can't or won't take care of enough Orphans and Foster children.

I'm all messed up. So the first thing I wonder reading that is why are there so many stories of people having to wait years to adopt.

A lot of them want to adopt infants, and healthy ones at that.

[2dimes]

A lot of them want to adopt infants, and healthy ones at that.

I don't think that is a matter of sexual gender preference.

I like Juan but believe his gay adoption agency will do little to solve that particular issue.
"Sally seems nice but we can't afford dialyses. Do you have any babies?"

[Symmetry]

A lot of them want to adopt infants, and healthy ones at that.

I don't think that is a matter of sexual gender preference.

I like Juan but believe his gay adoption agency will do little to solve that particular issue.
"Sally seems nice but we can't afford dialyses. Do you have any babies?"

I was simply answering your question about why some people have to wait a long time. Older children are harder to place. Kids with problems are harder to place.

[2dimes]

Of course it's possible they're blowing it out of proportion but I've heard people on the telli exclaim. "We just wanted a child for a family and it took X years on a waiting list."

[Symmetry]

Of course it's possible they're blowing it out of proportion but I've heard people on the telli exclaim. "We just wanted a child for a family and it took X years on a waiting list."

And there will always be a waiting list for very young children. Unless you go Evangelical Christian and simply have one kidnapped from another country.

BABIES FOR SALE‘The Child Catchers’: Evangelicals and the Fake-Orphan Racket

[2dimes]

I'm not going to snopes or google or anything but saw a claim on facebook that someone in India used facebook to sell a baby.

[Symmetry]

I'm not going to snopes or google or anything but saw a claim on facebook that someone in India used facebook to sell a baby.

You should read the article.

[2dimes]

That wasn't a shot at your article. I'm just not going to go look for any details on the thing I saw on facebook.

This little girl telling her adopted Nashville mom about missing her real mom at the "orphanage" was interesting.

[Symmetry]

That wasn't a shot at your article. I'm just not going to go look for any details on the thing I saw on facebook.

This little girl telling her adopted Nashville mom about missing her real mom at the "orphanage" was interesting.

I didn't take it as one, more a "You think that's bad, look at this". I'm not sure you read it though, given that that was not part of it.

[2dimes]

BABIES FOR SALE‘The Child Catchers’: Evangelicals and the Fake-Orphan Racket

Here's a copy paste since my Canadian translation didn't make sense to you.

A few months later, when she had learned some English, the daughter pointed to a picture of the orphanage that Hawkins had taped to her bedroom wall and told her, “When I lived there, I missed my mom.”

Hawkins responded, “‘Honey, that’s nice of you, but you didn’t know me then.’ And then she kind of looks at me like she’s afraid she was going to be in trouble, and you could see her really choosing her words with the little bit of English she had. And she said, ‘You know, I have another mom.’”

Unless you meant I should read a different article.

[Symmetry]

BABIES FOR SALE‘The Child Catchers’: Evangelicals and the Fake-Orphan Racket

Here's a copy paste since my Canadian translation didn't make sense to you.

A few months later, when she had learned some English, the daughter pointed to a picture of the orphanage that Hawkins had taped to her bedroom wall and told her, “When I lived there, I missed my mom.”

Hawkins responded, “‘Honey, that’s nice of you, but you didn’t know me then.’ And then she kind of looks at me like she’s afraid she was going to be in trouble, and you could see her really choosing her words with the little bit of English she had. And she said, ‘You know, I have another mom.’”

Unless you meant I should read a different article.

Apologies, I misread your post.

[2dimes]

Here it is. ","

[Symmetry]

I read your post as it was her mom at the "orphanage" that she missed, when you clearly meant that while at the "orphanage" she missed her mom. Sorry.

[2dimes]

Look man. I've got 50 forums open and my boss is riding me to produce more. If I miss some letters or puncuation we're going to need to work around it.

[Symmetry]

Look man. I've got 50 forums open and my boss is riding me to produce more. If I miss some letters or puncuation we're going to need to work around it.

Consider "adopting" some "orphans" to help you.

[2dimes]

stupidchildlabourlawssuckheresothatsoutofthequestionthisissomewhatdifficultasimatouchtyper

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm all messed up. So the first thing I wonder reading that is why are there so many stories of people having to wait years to adopt.

Great question! I did a report on this in high school, and here's what I remember:

1) Most people want healthy babies
2) Most Adoptions cost around $40,000
3) All US adoption agencies require an adoption portfolio. If the mother of the child doesn't like your portfolio, she will reject it.

That said, somewhere around 75% of couples can still find a baby within a year.
And when it comes to rent-to-try-adoption (foster parenting) most of the young ones are adopted within a year as well. But the poor troubled kids can be pretty problematic for finding a permanent home solution. Almost everyone is warned when they turn in an adoption portfolio that it can take up to 2 years to find a child, but that's almost never the case. And once your foster portfolio and screening is done, they just start throwing whatever kids they have at you.
You like this?
This one?
Darker?
Oh, Curlier?
I might have one that's a little taller?
Plus, you can pretty much fly to Poland and adopt a child today, if you want. We just need a few more families who are willing to adopt. And I'm not going to support a gay adoption agency, or a heterosexual adoption agency. I can't in good conscience allow any kind of bigots to choose who's best fit to take care of a child. They should all be just be "adoption agency, come on in."

[Woodruff]

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz

When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.

I did. Just because you don't like the point doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As I clearly stated, the fact that there are many heterosexuals who would make worse parents is a very key point, because it destroys the idea that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

<head explodes>

Weren't you the one who was just whining about "if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument"? Hypocrite.

[Woodruff]

a kid deserves a mom and a dad

Do you believe that single parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

depending on why they are single parents (did one parent die?)

Why they are single parents is irrelevant, since you believe a kid deserves both a mom and a dad. If one of them dies, then you apparently believe that single parent should no longer be allowed to raise their children, because they wouldn't have both the mom and dad that they deserve.

a divorce is not an option

That is a really idiotic statement. Anyone who would suggest that a spouse stay with their abusive partner "just because" borders on the sociopathic.

Do you believe an infertile couple shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

a infertile lesbian couple? NO

Are you going to answer the question I asked, or are you going to coward out of it?

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids,
but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure

No. No, that's definitely not "for sure". Most of the time, probably. But definitely not "for sure".

bad luck, they get over it and love comes back

So you're what...fourteen years old or so, I'm guessing?

[Juan_Bottom]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .

I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?


Honibaz

I do literally mean every single peer-reviewed study, dating all the way back to the late 60s. This has been used to lend weight to the argument that sexual identity and preference is genetic, and not taught.

[Phatscotty]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .

I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?


Honibaz

I do literally mean every single peer-reviewed study, dating all the way back to the late 60s. This has been used to lend weight to the argument that sexual identity and preference is genetic, and not taught.

does that mean that homosexuals will always be 1-3% of the population?

[Woodruff]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .

I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?

I do literally mean every single peer-reviewed study, dating all the way back to the late 60s. This has been used to lend weight to the argument that sexual identity and preference is genetic, and not taught.

does that mean that homosexuals will always be 1-3% of the population?

First of all, that presumes that nobody has ever hidden their homosexuality, out of fear of the consequences.

But aside from that, how is that relevant? If it isn't relevant, why do you care and why do you think we would care? Why do you continue to try to distract every conversation that isn't going the way you want it to?

[Phatscotty]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .

I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?

I do literally mean every single peer-reviewed study, dating all the way back to the late 60s. This has been used to lend weight to the argument that sexual identity and preference is genetic, and not taught.

does that mean that homosexuals will always be 1-3% of the population?

First of all, that presumes that nobody has ever hidden their homosexuality, out of fear of the consequences.

But aside from that, how is that relevant? If it isn't relevant, why do you care and why do you think we would care? Why do you continue to try to distract every conversation that isn't going the way you want it to?

Wait, what are the consequences of filling out a census form in the privacy of your own home? According to the 2010 US census, and the large majority if gay advocates who accept it, 1-3% of people are homosexual.

I'm not sure if it's relevant yet, which is why I was asked more questions. Do you want it to not be relevant for some reason?

I have not done a lot of research for myself as to whether being gay is taught or genetic. Is that the case, that it's genetic? Can I see some studies please? I am eager to learn, and since I'm helping you with your American History, maybe you can help me out a bit here?

I also ask because there is a lot of confusion here. Some people have mentioned it's 50%, some others in the past have said 25%, but I have listened to and watched and read hundreds of arguments on redefining marriage from both sides, and the 1-3% number is generally accepted on both sides.

[b.k. barunt]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .

I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?


Honibaz

I do literally mean every single peer-reviewed study, dating all the way back to the late 60s. This has been used to lend weight to the argument that sexual identity and preference is genetic, and not taught.

You do "literally mean every peer-reviewed study . . ." Now you leave out "aside from those linked to religious groups". Which is it? Every single one or every single one besides those "linked to religious groups"? And how many of these "studies" would you have us believe you've read? No no don't go running for Google to help you out on this one - seriously, you throw out statistics like these and expect anyone to take you seriously? Homosexuality is genetic? Cite me one experiment by name (that has been replicated) that supports this hypothesis. How about the "Gay Brain" experiment that "proved" the hypothalamus of the brain was larger on gay males than straight? How about the "Gay Twins" experiment? Unlike you i've actually given time and effort to studying this subject and am not glibly pulling concocted generalities out of my ass. You have no idea what kind of studies have been done in this area and your generic delivery gives this away like a neon casino sign.


Honibaz