Bring back slavery?

[Gillipig]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

[2dimes]

The working class.

[Serbia]

I'd go for idiots.



Bollocks.

[waauw]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.

[BigBallinStalin]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.

Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.

"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).

[2dimes]

The rent is too damn high.

[Gillipig]

You guys have no imagination. Only four posts in and you're already discussing economics! I created this thread to give you something else to talk about but you're just going in circles.

I'd go for idiots.



Bollocks.

That is an emu, not Henrik Zetterberg!

[AdamKeith]

I would enslave all idiots, bums, pot-heads, etc. If they aren't worth anything independently, let's put them to work for the greater good of society!

[waauw]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.

Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.

"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).

well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.

Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

[BigBallinStalin]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.

Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.

"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).

well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.

Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

Oh, "sweatshops."
Which is worse: working in the fields with lesser pay or working in the sweatshops with more pay?
Which is "slavery"?
Which reinforces subsistence living?


Then, about "choice." I have no choice to jump 10 feet in the air. Nearly all in 3rd world countries don't have the choice of working for $100 per hour. Is that "slavery"? Is that "coercion" caused by human agency--or is it simply a constraint of the times?

[Gillipig]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.

Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.

"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).

well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.

Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

We didn't get any opportunities either. We took 'em! We have the opportunities we have today because our forefathers worked their ass off conquering other nations, enslaving their people and stealing their natural resources. We should thank them very much for their work.

[waauw]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

One could argue that slavery does still exist. It has just taken a different form. It's called financial slavery.

Hence, it isn't slavery, but you can run with that rewording.

"I don't like it when someone is in debt. Let's call it something that sounds bad... Ah, 'financial slavery'. That'll do our cause good, and who cares if it's inaccurate." (most don't).

well it has a lot of the same characteristics and I wasn't referring to debt. I was referring to the contrast between the developed world and the 3rd world.

Oftentimes poor uneducated people in the 3rd world, who never got any opportunities, work very hard, from which western consumerism and local business leaders reap all the benefit, while they themselves only get enough to keep them alive. And although one could argue they do have a choice for a job. However people in those countries don't get many options.

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

Oh, "sweatshops."
Which is worse: working in the fields with lesser pay or working in the sweatshops with more pay?
Which is "slavery"?
Which reinforces subsistence living?


Then, about "choice." I have no choice to jump 10 feet in the air. Nearly all in 3rd world countries don't have the choice of working for $100 per hour. Is that "slavery"? Is that "coercion" caused by human agency--or is it simply a constraint of the times?

I don't know what is better the fields or the sweatshops, however I'm not so sure the sweatshops pay that much more than the fields. Though I do get your point. You are right it does sound more like a euphemism now, although I still think there are similarities.
But strictly speaking I guess you're right. I'll admit my mistake here. Thank you for correcting me

[saxitoxin]

Is this another Gillpig torture-sex-fantasy thread?

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

How did a Filipina emigrant end up in Belgium instead of racing through San Francisco in a souped-up Honda Civic with $3K rims and a 2-meter spoiler?

We didn't get any opportunities either. We took 'em! We have the opportunities we have today because our forefathers worked their ass off conquering other nations, enslaving their people and stealing their natural resources. We should thank them very much for their work.

ah ... the good old days when Sweden ruled ... Estonia! ... and ... and ... and Natty_Dread's garden!

[BigBallinStalin]

Wow, that was painless. Thanks, waauw! and you're welcome!*
*from what I've seen in lectures, sweatshops jobs on average across nearly all developing countries pay more than subsistence agriculture, but the pay isn't the only deciding factor. One factor is "not working in the sun all day, every day." (The guy who made this lecture, which I haven't seen, is my source. He's got a few articles about sweatshops IIRC).


Although sweatshops are really shitty jobs, we need to be careful about using a faulty comparison. Many well-intended people look at conditions in 3rd world countries and then conclude that X is 'slavery' or 'so terrible that it must be boycotted/ended' because they used 1st world conditions as a standard of comparison. That's not good reasoning because the relative constraints and prices (wages) are different for very different reasons.

Even 1st world countries experienced conditions similar to today's 3rd world countries, and unfortunately that's the avenue that nearly all of humanity has had to take in order to earn enough to save enough which is then spent on one's children and so on and so forth. Unfortunately, well-intended people in 1st world countries protest against sweatshops and opt for "fair labor practices," which don't do the world's poorest any favors.

[Gillipig]

Is this another Gillpig torture-sex-fantasy thread?

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

How did a Filipina emigrant end up in Belgium instead of racing through San Francisco in a souped-up Honda Civic with $3K rims and a 2-meter spoiler?

We didn't get any opportunities either. We took 'em! We have the opportunities we have today because our forefathers worked their ass off conquering other nations, enslaving their people and stealing their natural resources. We should thank them very much for their work.

ah ... the good old days when Sweden ruled ... Estonia! ... and ... and ... and Natty_Dread's garden!

But we did mess his garden the f*ck up!!

I was more thinking of European nations as a whole though, particularly the colonial powers. But it is true that Sweden used these countries in similar ways the colonial powers used their colonies.
And yes, any thread I start or participate in, will have a sexual undertone.

[Lootifer]

Day traders, bureaucrats, middle men, and all other kinds of ticket clippers.

[KernowWarrior]

What do you mean, bring back slavery?

It never ended!

Millions of men, women and children around the world are still forced to lead lives as slaves. Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their 'employers'.

Slavery exists today despite the fact that it is banned in most of the countries where it is practised. It is also prohibited by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 1956 UN Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery. Women from eastern Europe are bonded into prostitution, children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. Contemporary slavery takes various forms and affects people of all ages, sex and race.

Common characteristics distinguish slavery from other human rights violations. A slave is:
• forced to work -- through mental or physical threat;
• owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse;
• dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property';
• physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.

Bonded labour affects millions of people around the world. People become bonded labourers by taking or being tricked into taking a loan for as little as the cost of medicine for a sick child. To repay the debt, many are forced to work long hours, seven days a week, up to 365 days a year. They receive basic food and shelter as 'payment' for their work, but may never pay off the loan, which can be passed down for generations.

Early and forced marriage affects women and girls who are married without choice and are forced into lives of servitude often accompanied by physical violence.

Forced labour affects people who are illegally recruited by individuals, governments or political parties and forced to work -- usually under threat of violence or other penalties.

Slavery by descent is where people are either born into a slave class or are from a 'group' that society views as suited to being used as slave labour.

Trafficking involves the transport and/or trade of people -- women, children and men -- from one area to another for the purpose of forcing them into slavery conditions.

Worst forms of child labour affects an estimated 126 million children around the world in work that is harmful to their health and welfare.

[Gillipig]

What do you mean, bring back slavery?

It never ended!

Millions of men, women and children around the world are still forced to lead lives as slaves. Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their 'employers'.

Slavery exists today despite the fact that it is banned in most of the countries where it is practised. It is also prohibited by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 1956 UN Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery. Women from eastern Europe are bonded into prostitution, children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. Contemporary slavery takes various forms and affects people of all ages, sex and race.

Common characteristics distinguish slavery from other human rights violations. A slave is:
• forced to work -- through mental or physical threat;
• owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse;
• dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property';
• physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.

Bonded labour affects millions of people around the world. People become bonded labourers by taking or being tricked into taking a loan for as little as the cost of medicine for a sick child. To repay the debt, many are forced to work long hours, seven days a week, up to 365 days a year. They receive basic food and shelter as 'payment' for their work, but may never pay off the loan, which can be passed down for generations.

Early and forced marriage affects women and girls who are married without choice and are forced into lives of servitude often accompanied by physical violence.

Forced labour affects people who are illegally recruited by individuals, governments or political parties and forced to work -- usually under threat of violence or other penalties.

Slavery by descent is where people are either born into a slave class or are from a 'group' that society views as suited to being used as slave labour.

Trafficking involves the transport and/or trade of people -- women, children and men -- from one area to another for the purpose of forcing them into slavery conditions.

Worst forms of child labour affects an estimated 126 million children around the world in work that is harmful to their health and welfare.

So you like slavery too?

[waauw]

I know this because my mother grew up in the slums of Manilla, Philippines, where she worked for an equivalent of about 50 eurocents per day.

How did a Filipina emigrant end up in Belgium instead of racing through San Francisco in a souped-up Honda Civic with $3K rims and a 2-meter spoiler?

The same way women from the Philippines spread throughout the world. The Philippines has the image of being a sexparadise, somewhat like thailand but without the transvestites, where western men can come and look for an asian wife. This was the case for my parents.

ps: a funny statistical analysis done by my government once showed that all immigrants from all countries on earth were always pretty much divided 50/50 accross male an female. The exceptions were the Philippines and Thailand for which it was 95% women and 5% men

[BigBallinStalin]

What do you mean, bring back slavery?

It never ended!

Millions of men, women and children around the world are still forced to lead lives as slaves. Although this exploitation is often not called slavery, the conditions are the same. People are sold like objects, forced to work for little or no pay and are at the mercy of their 'employers'.

Slavery exists today despite the fact that it is banned in most of the countries where it is practised. It is also prohibited by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 1956 UN Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery. Women from eastern Europe are bonded into prostitution, children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. Contemporary slavery takes various forms and affects people of all ages, sex and race.

Common characteristics distinguish slavery from other human rights violations. A slave is:
• forced to work -- through mental or physical threat;
• owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse;
• dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property';
• physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.

Bonded labour affects millions of people around the world. People become bonded labourers by taking or being tricked into taking a loan for as little as the cost of medicine for a sick child. To repay the debt, many are forced to work long hours, seven days a week, up to 365 days a year. They receive basic food and shelter as 'payment' for their work, but may never pay off the loan, which can be passed down for generations.

Early and forced marriage affects women and girls who are married without choice and are forced into lives of servitude often accompanied by physical violence.

Forced labour affects people who are illegally recruited by individuals, governments or political parties and forced to work -- usually under threat of violence or other penalties.

Slavery by descent is where people are either born into a slave class or are from a 'group' that society views as suited to being used as slave labour.

Trafficking involves the transport and/or trade of people -- women, children and men -- from one area to another for the purpose of forcing them into slavery conditions.

Worst forms of child labour affects an estimated 126 million children around the world in work that is harmful to their health and welfare.

Ah, didn't take long for the word-abuser to come out.

[nietzsche]

hot chicks.

[greenoaks]

children.

i would buy a house with a chimney to give them work.

[Falkomagno]

Slavery has existed for over 10 000 years, who are we to say it's wrong? I say we bring it back! If you could enslave a group, any group, whether it is mobile salesmen, the French, people with big feet or just women in general, what would be your choice and why?

I say let's slave the Swedish. Swedish women can be used in different kind of slavery, if you know what I mean.

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Let's enslave slave owners, that way we won't run out of slaves.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Lets enslave people who want to enslave other people.

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