BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN SHOWN IN SCHOOL

[mr. incrediball]

Jay, God bless you for standing up to the rifle range of insults that come from those who claim to be tolerant:

jay, you're a jackass. passion of the christ isn't "religion" and brokeback isn't "alternative lifestyles." how old are you? too young to know that the world ain't black and white like you might want it to be. Passion was ultra gory. brokeback won oscars. get over it.

I don't know what Jay is so upset at. Gay Cowboys are awesome! If he checks his bible carefully then he'll find that Jesus once said "Blessed are the ranchers of cattle who lay with one another. In God's Heaven they will be blessed amongst men". I beleive it's part of his Sermon on the Mount Speech, Mark's Gospel if I'm not mistaken...
The point is, that sexing other male cowboys isn't an alternative lifestyle at all, and we ought to be encouraging little children to do it. It's the Christian way; and if Jay doesn't agree then he ought to be fed to Satan. The bible says so.

oh, it isn't promoting homosexuality, you fucking homophobe, it's a story ABOUT homosexuality!

i hate religions... all of 'em...

run it through your freakin' head, jay, that maybe you're a big loser, who needs to open his mind to the outside world and stop coddling his STUPID narrow mind in the suburbs of midwest america...

*phew* o.k rant over

I think the bone of contention (teehee, 'bone') here really is about Jay's bizarre conviction that the beliefs of the parent ought to censor the mind of the child.

EDIT: Also, I just realised how ironic Jay's avatar is...

uh-huh, if people don't open there minds just a little it would be an endless stream of hitlers, stalins and *shudder* diddles

"Alternative Lifestyles"?! Is this the new neocon euphemism for "we hate gays but we're not going to come out (pun intended) and say it"? The Bullshit meter is off the charts on this one.

Being gay isn't immorral, you ignorant cunt.

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me" - Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:11

my god... i'm mentioned quite a bit there...

[mr. incrediball]

The amount of money is irrelevant. We live in a sue-happy society. Remember the other thread where the guy was suing his cleaners for losing his pants? He was seeking millions of dollars.


I was more focusing on the principle of showing R rated movies promoting homosexuality in public schools.

oh, it isn't promoting homosexuality, you fucking homophobe, it's a story ABOUT homosexuality!

I don't fear anything about homosexuality. It is, in my view against God's commandments. Thus it is not acceptable for teachers to tell my kids "Its ok" because its not. Try and comprehend this....its not hard.

hey wait a minute, where in the ten commandments does it say anything about homosexuality?

run it through your freakin' head, jay, that maybe you're a big loser, who needs to open his mind to the outside world and stop coddling his STUPID narrow mind in the suburbs of midwest america...

*phew* o.k rant over

The 10 Commandments? Try reading the REST of the book. I'm not in mid-west America. And why is ok for the atheist to sue over "The pledge of Allegiance" or prayer in school on behalf of HIS child but a Christian parent is not allowed to on behalf of HIS child? I sense a double standard here. I DO NOT NEED THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM TO INSTILL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ACCEPTED IMMORALITY ON MY CHILDREN. When my child turns 17 and wants to go see brokeback, more power to them.

stop bloody contradicting yourself...

[jay_a2j]

stop bloody contradicting yourself...

Stop posting one liners that have no basis in reality.

[Dancing Mustard]

stop bloody contradicting yourself...

Stop posting one liners that have no basis in reality.

Stop ignoring all of the other posts that are mercilessly destroying your arguments. Are you going to respond to us, or is this over?

[mr. incrediball]

stop bloody contradicting yourself...

Stop posting one liners that have no basis in reality.

I have no basis in reality???
I HAVE NO BLOODY BASIS IN BLOODY REALITY!?!?

I'm not the FREAK who still believes homosexuality is a sin!

I'm not the one who refuses to even consider FOSSIL evidence as a suggestion of evolution!

I'm not the gullible fool who believes everything written in some 2000 year old peice of crap!

sometimes you do my FREAKING head in, jay!

[mr. incrediball]

sorry, lost it a little there...

[MeDeFe]

sounded like jay-bashing to me... not good. But at least you apologized.

[jay_a2j]

stop bloody contradicting yourself...

Stop posting one liners that have no basis in reality.

Stop ignoring all of the other posts that are mercilessly destroying your arguments. Are you going to respond to us, or is this over?

I have responded to every post to my knowledge. You're stating otherwise is a futile attempt to distract from the fact that it is you guys, who are not responding to my posts. Nice try.

[jay_a2j]

sorry, lost it a little there...

Apology accepted.

[Dancing Mustard]

stop bloody contradicting yourself...

Stop posting one liners that have no basis in reality.

Stop ignoring all of the other posts that are mercilessly destroying your arguments. Are you going to respond to us, or is this over?

I have responded to every post to my knowledge. You're stating otherwise is a futile attempt to distract from the fact that it is you guys, who are not responding to my posts. Nice try.

Over then?
How about my post on page 7. How about Guiscard on page 11 (you gave him a one liner that proved nothing, and then a hollow 'your argument is bad', then ignored him after that)?
We've responded to everything you've said. Each time you have failed to logically. You can repeat my posts back at me and switch the names around all you like. You're only deluding yourself.

Seriously, I'm done with you until you come up with something that isn't either shadow-boxing, ridiculous one-liners, "my bible says I'm right", or "other people are as bad as me, therefore i'm ok".
You've tried all of those at least twice; we've shown you why they don't work. You need something new, or you're just going to have to concede this one mate...

[Balsiefen]

so far its just been jay arguing this, Is there anyone else that agrees?

[Backglass]

so far its just been jay arguing this, Is there anyone else that agrees?

As I stated at the onset, I agree that R-Rated movies should not be shown to 12-year olds in public schools without parental consent, regardless of content.

Something tells me that if it was "Passion of the Christ" (also an R- Rating) jay wouldn't be quite so outraged.

[Dancing Mustard]

It's true; his argument is fast boiling down to "I'm homophobic and I want kids to be too"...

[n8freeman]

i believe the grandparents have a right to sue
but not because of the gay cowboys, but because they movie was R rated

there is nothing wrong with homosexuals

how do homosexuals hurt others?



i dont understand why many conservative christians hate gays?

they arent hurting u at all


it doesnt make any sence



showing an R rated movie to 12 year olds is bad, what movie it was shouldnt matter, whether it be saw, brokeback mountain, or the 40 year old virgin

[The1exile]

i believe the grandparents have a right to sue
but not because of the gay cowboys, but because they movie was R rated

Why should they sue?

I think I already made the point about the distinction between suing and complaining.

[n8freeman]

i believe the grandparents have a right to sue
but not because of the gay cowboys, but because they movie was R rated

Why should they sue?

I think I already made the point about the distinction between suing and complaining.

sry i guess i missed that, but ur right
complain would be the better option


the teacher though should definetly be fired

[Backglass]

showing an R rated movie to 12 year olds is bad, what movie it was shouldnt matter, whether it be saw, brokeback mountain, or the 40 year old virgin

It shouldn't mater, but it does. If it WERE "The 40 year old virgin", there would be no lawsuit.

[Dancing Mustard]

i believe the grandparents have a right to sue
but not because of the gay cowboys, but because they movie was R rated

Why should they sue?

I think I already made the point about the distinction between suing and complaining.

sry i guess i missed that, but ur right
complain would be the better option


the teacher though should definetly be fired

O RLY?
Sure they ought to be accountable for the error. But isn't sacking for a single error like that a bit of an overreaction? I think I stern warning from the school's board of governors would be more than sufficient. Or has the bloodlust overcome you?

[The1exile]

O RLY?
Sure they ought to be accountable for the error. But isn't sacking for a single error like that a bit of an overreaction? I think I stern warning from the school's board of governors would be more than sufficient. Or has the bloodlust overcome you?

QFmotherfuckingT

[Guiscard]

No, no, no. You state "Homosexuality is legal" so it can and should be taught in public schools. The Pledge of Allegiance and prayer are also LEGAL but we had atheists take it to the supreme court to get prayer out of school. Once you can address the double standard we'll talk.... until then you are just Christian bashing. And not making a good argument at all.

Did I say I approved of those actions?

Am I defending those actions at any point in this thread?

Is anyone else?

As far as I can see, your argument has now resorted to childish 'but he did it as well' whining. That's very Christian of you, Jay. Double standards mean absolutely nothing here. What we are talking about is the fact that you object to a legal lifestyle being shown in schools. How would you respond if the Atheists you hate so much said 'we'll stop suing over things like prayer when the Christians stop making a fuss over homosexuality in schools'?

Face it, Jay, the immorality of homosexuality doesn't stand up as an argument for the film being banned so now you're getting childish. I thought you were more sensible than that.

Why does every single thread have to come back to 'Christian bashing' of some kind. My partner is a (non-practising) Christian and she has made the same argument as me, as has my practising Christian father, in a family discussion about this. You have an immense chip on your shoulder and it seems to be completely clouding your morality in this case. My analogy still stands - can I murder or steal because others get away with murdering or stealing?

Response to this please Jay.

[jnd94]

I think that you guys are making WAY too big of a deal about this. Sure, maybe the teacher wanst right to show an R-rated movie that may have some references to gay life or some other "bad thing". The US has made "gay" a term used for anybody that isnt quote normal unquote. Remeber, Brokeback mountain is a MOVIE, not only that but a FAKE movie.

As a jew, I dont like religion being TAUGHT in schools. Teachers in my school occasionally make a reference to something from the bible, big deal. As long as teachers arent teaching christianity to schools, I dont see why every one is making such a fuss. Its called freedom of religion, and if you dont want your child learning wrong values from a movie such as Brokeback Mountain, DONT LET THEM SEE IT. I think that teachers should give permission slips and if the parents dont agree with the values of a particualr movie that is being shown, the can just say, I dont want my child to see it.

[Dancing Mustard]

Couldn't agree more.
So long as no child was forced to remain in the room then I just don't see the harm. Parents can't get all shouty because their child chose to stay in the class and watch the film.
Meh...

[luns101]

Actually I would rather teach 10, 000 people to be open minded and not to be a homophobe, like you are.

So you're not open minded to the scriptures which say that homosexuality is a sin, I take it. It's all a matter of perspective.

I've only watched 2 people die of AIDS during my lifetime, but it was 2 too many. Both individuals were practicing homosexuals. They did not contract it from sharing infected needles, drug use, or a bad transfusion. They got it from engaging in homosexual sex.

It's not a popular stance to take...warning somebody that engaging in that kind of activity could lead to death. But it is more cruel to just keep your mouth shut so you can be part of the "tolerant" bandwagon.

[Iliad]

Actually I would rather teach 10, 000 people to be open minded and not to be a homophobe, like you are.

So you're not open minded to the scriptures which say that homosexuality is a sin, I take it. It's all a matter of perspective.

I've only watched 2 people die of AIDS during my lifetime, but it was 2 too many. Both individuals were practicing homosexuals. They did not contract it from sharing infected needles, drug use, or a bad transfusion. They got it from engaging in homosexual sex.

It's not a popular stance to take...warning somebody that engaging in that kind of activity could lead to death. But it is more cruel to just keep your mouth shut so you can be part of the "tolerant" bandwagon.

Fine your opinion is that homosexuality is a sin, while I don't agree with you, it is your opinion. If you are tolerant that doesn't mean that you won't tell gay people what dangers they face. Your entire argument is wrong.

[jay_a2j]

so far its just been jay arguing this, Is there anyone else that agrees?

As I stated at the onset, I agree that R-Rated movies should not be shown to 12-year olds in public schools without parental consent, regardless of content.

Something tells me that if it was "Passion of the Christ" (also an R- Rating) jay wouldn't be quite so outraged.

Actually, I own the movie Passions..... and none of my kids have seen it....they are still too young for the graphic depiction. Of the two which would I rather have my child watch? Passions of coarse, it deals with the death of Christ not the immoral love affair of two men.