A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[Talapus]

When I said that you argued not to vote Commander, I meant that you were saying not to lynch him this turn. I read through all your posts, I just could have phrased it better is all.

Ok, i get that, but where the heck did you come up with me being a mafia busdriver. That just seems out of the blue.

[rishaed]

We don't even have any idea if there is a Mafia Busdriver? Sure there could be one, but its currently not confirmed. Got more thoughts, will post later. Got 1 1/2 event ahead.

[DoomYoshi]

When I said that you argued not to vote Commander, I meant that you were saying not to lynch him this turn. I read through all your posts, I just could have phrased it better is all.

Ok, i get that, but where the heck did you come up with me being a mafia busdriver. That just seems out of the blue.

I suggested it initially.

When I say one long post in Island Mafia, I mean of all the posts in all the mafia games that rishaed has played there was only a single long post. So, the statistical sample is small, but he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.

oh, like this one maybe?
long post1
or this one
or maybe this one?
That's enough however. I usually do keep my posts short and concise. Why should I use two sentences to say what I can use one with? I use long posts when building cases and posting my thoughts and comments on said cases. However that is enough of a tangent from outside the thread.
How can you say that you didn't completely derail the thread from a Neb line of thought? After Tal, voted Neb directely and had a long post as such, you completely attacked Tal, which then drew attention from Neb/JamKer, and a page or two later Neb's name is nowhere to be seen.
Also the long post being scummy is BS. And I don't have to post long posts to know the information that I get out of them, or the potential information is greater.

I did miss the Bo2012 post, my bad. The other two don't count as walls.

Your point 1 is incorrect. The person who actually led the case on Neb even disagrees with you there. So, if I derailed the case on Neb so bad, why are you focusing on me while those who are actually interested in the Neb case are focused over there?

I can't do anything about your gut feeling though. Note that I play nearly identical town to scum. I am surprised I'm not a policy lynch around here (and so is Neb). Many times I don't read my role PM so saying that I act a certain way on Day 1 means you know me better than I know myself.

Now, I don't like how Neb is buddying up to me.

vote Neb

[aage]

Now, I don't like how Neb is buddying up to me.

vote Neb

I agree that this post is definitively off:

3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.

But that was two pages ago, why the change of heart? Rish convinced you? You don't need him for that.

[rishaed]

@ Doom, Link the part where you said TAL disagreed, I'm not finding it. You attacking me after I fos'd and disagreed with you on the part about long posts didn't help either. Its called being highly aggressive when at that point I hadn't even voted you yet. I realize that you were trying to destroy any credibility on the subject I had, but it came off weird. As far as why I am voting you instead of Neb, both of you are pretty scummy to me. I am just trying to either gain momentum on one or the other.
Back and forth on the Neb going all buddy buddy on you. The no deadline is comforting seeing as there is still quite a bit of infighting. For today I would like at least one solid claim before going into the night.
Where is Iliad??????!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Lol...re-reading my post, it does looking like my lips are glued to doom's butt. It was unintentional. Doom just amuses me sometimes. Just as I'm sure my scummy posting amuses the scum. I am not Doom's buddy, and I would be foolish to paint that picture.

[Commander9]

Didn't have enough time today. Should make a big post tomorrow.

[DoomYoshi]

@ Doom, Link the part where you said TAL disagreed, I'm not finding it.

other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way

According to talapus, I didn't derail the thread, or his case on Neb.

@aage: 2 pages ago? With 27 players, that is just over a post per player. It is also less than 24 hours difference. I wanted to see how the rishaed thing played out first, especially since I went looking through his mafia history as I have a meta on him as being a concise player normally. The rishaed thing is played out. He seems more confused townie than scum trying to blackwash me.

[Minister Masket]

Exile, care to respond to any of the posts about yourself? Asking for nothing more than a vote count seems somewhat odd, all things considered.

I have uni all day weekdays so that was something I shot off shortly before catching the train this morning. I will try and recap now.

Your uni has begun already?

Mine has. Not that that won't stop me from being active.

The excessive drinking however might.

[aage]

@aage: 2 pages ago? With 27 players, that is just over a post per player.

Yet you made three posts since (okay, two of them consecutively). But okay, the rishaed thing. I suppose that's only fair since Neb was backing you up and you're juggling several cases.

Vote neb I should've in my last post. I suppose I wanted DY's response.

[The Weird One]

Sorry for the postless day...Got swamped by homework, and, at a glance, there wasn't much for me to comment on, at the time. I'll try to make a long post, this evening, if I get a chance...I'll post something, at the least.

[iAmCaffeine]

Since there hasn't really been any progress after my last post, I'm just going to sit tight and reiterate that my vote is currently on Neb for reasons already stated.

The1exile raised some interesting points, but I'm not convinced Comm9 is mafia. I think it more likely he's a fool of some sort.

[jonty125]

Just because this is in a spoiler, it doesn't mean don't read, it's just to make the post look less foreboding.

DoomYoshis Comments About Long Posts

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

The main point is that wall posts are anti-town and a majority of players agree with that. The logical extension is that cases themselves are anti-town.

Point 1: Walls make it harder for town, since they have more to read. They increase skimming, even for players who are fairly careful, since the more that you have to remember, the harder it is to remember.

OK, I realise this has been addressed by other players, but I haven't posted since Doom made these comments, so I feel it's fair I post my views. I disagree with Doom's statements, and I'm fairy certain Doom has posted a long post in his mafia career, but that's OT. I agree, the longer a post, the more falsehoods it will contain but it will also contain more truths. And I feel it is all about the ratio to truths and falsehoods. What also has to be considered if it is an intentional falsehood, this is a subjective matter and one I wish not to explain.

"Cases are anti-town". Yes this would be the correct logical extension from the logic you stated but I believe your logic is INCORRECT (as explained earlier). If it were all that simple, you would vote the people who made cases, based on principle rather than there reasoning behind the case. A good case can come from either alignment but, generally, scum try and slide under the radar. But everyone has their own meta, I try and put and the same effort into each game, based on respect to the mod, but in big games I seem to get dragged in to these massive posts.

"Walls are hard to read". Yes, yes they are. Now, I'm going to define a wall as lots of poorly formatted text. I will also agree that a wall increases skimming. I don't think people go around posting walls intentionally, after all if you spend time working on a post the very least I would like people to do is read it (hint, hint). You say walls contain lots of things, so is harder to remember, I say, you get that problem regardless because if you have 12 points to address, you can do it in 12 or 1 post. Either way, it's going to be difficult to remember all 12 points with details.

Re: this above post. which was my (jonty125) case on The exile Why no green part comments? I don't mind the colors after all, it just seems weird.

also:
"I would plead guilty as it would be humourous, regardless of my role."

Is it actually humorous? Have you ever laughed during the jokevote stage. I never did.

Yes, yes I have.

Can I just throw out a polite request here? [yes, I'm just as guilty as everyone else when it comes to these accusations]:

For right now, at least, can we just accept that everyone is skimming to some extent. When it gets down to the only players who are posting anything just pointing at each other and saying how much each of us is skimming, we aren't making any progress. Whether or not the accusations hold water I'm not bringing up. All I'm saying is that the accusations are just bogging down the miniscule handful of actives.

Or I could just be dead wrong.

I don't skim them intentionally, and I normally read through the posts that have posted since my last, twice before I post.


Neb's post was less than impressive. You all know which one I'm on about if you've been following. So FOS Neb.


I'll respond to the exile maybe later tonight or in the morning. I'm shattered from college, but I have read it, and my first impression is that we are going to have to agree to disagree.

[safariguy5]

So it seems like Doom threw out the long post=scum argument out there to test rishaed's meta? And that rishaed seems scummy because he usually doesn't post long cases/paragraphs?

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there. It can (and did) elicit strong reactions from a lot of people. Perhaps he was trying to see if anyone would agree with him? Still however, I don't really understand how taking that meta angle on rishaed would be useful. This is putting aside the fact that rishaed showed long or longish posts that he has made.

[The1exile]

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there.

Maybe mandy can tell us who deals in absolutes, if he comes back.

[Talapus]

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there.

Maybe mandy can tell us who deals in absolutes, if he comes back.

God help us if he comes back with crazy theories and ideas. The last thing we need is to give Sherwood's record breaking day 1 a run for it's money. Unless of course it reveals all scum day one and gets results...lol

[Anarkistsdream]

Sherwood was an awesome game. Sorry I have been away... Visiting my parents out of state...

Sadly, right now, I want to vote several people, but only get one vote, so I still need to keep it where it is....

Maybe if you all were as smart as me with all my education, thiswould have already been solved.

[DoomYoshi]

So it seems like Doom threw out the long post=scum argument out there to test rishaed's meta? And that rishaed seems scummy because he usually doesn't post long cases/paragraphs?

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there. It can (and did) elicit strong reactions from a lot of people. Perhaps he was trying to see if anyone would agree with him? Still however, I don't really understand how taking that meta angle on rishaed would be useful. This is putting aside the fact that rishaed showed long or longish posts that he has made.

No, I threw the argument out there because I play impulsively. The rishaed thing came after.

[jonty125]

The1exile, I can see your reasoning, however, I disagree, that he has and I quote; "deliberately tried to mislead the town". I believe a D1 claim is needed, but not as far as D1 lynch (in all circumstances) so unvote. Because now that you have fully explained yourself, I still believe, with the greatest respect your wrong, but being wrong doesn't make you scum (for the matter is subjective, as of now).

[Fircoal]

For the record, no one has been prodded because either people can not be bothered to actually read what's going on in the thread or they don't care.

[mandalorian2298]

I suppose it's an interesting idea, but my main issue is why Doom would put a blanket statement out there.

Maybe mandy can tell us who deals in absolutes, if he comes back.

I'm sorry for being absent for so long. I work over the day (and the evil admin frowns upon Conquer Clubbing at the workplace) and I had poker on Sunday, poker and sleep deprivation on Monday and SLEEP! FINALLY! SLEEP!!!! on Tuesday. Today I have luckily sucked out early so here I am!

Fair enough, and I'm certainly not sure his death is surefire. I am almost certain however that is win condiotion or extra power role or whyever the hell it is Com9 dropped such obvious "tells" is dictated by his or Fircoal's lynch. More over I think some of the other posts from a few players is seriously lacking anything the rest of us should have to deal with just because they are lazy or indifferent. Should Com9 turn up scum and the evil eye of suspicion turn my way it's fine with me. I would just rather see us persue a lynch that doesn't completely screw us as I think Com9's might. Off him in the night, lynch someone tonight and we have twice the data to analyse tomorrow.

*sigh*

All of my first posts were obviously jokes - I think you know me well enough that with my experience, I wouldn't go out like that just to get myself unless there was a very good reason. So, no, I'm not a jester/mafia/cult or anything else - I am a townie with specific... "conditions." There was nothing more in PM but the assumption that something happens if Fir gets lynched is absolute WIFOM. What's even funnier that I have some other information, but apparently I can't share it which would make things make much more sense. *shakes fist*

I've never given up (as some here assumed) - I just don't have as much time and access to post through the weekends (as evidenced by my missed turns in a clan war game) and secondly, I'm just absolutely distraught by the level of play most people have done here. Apart from roughly 3 people, everyone else shamefully bandwagoned and voted without anything reasonable or anything that even remotely makes sense.

Nope, but wish I did. I'm doing that in hopes that the person with the roll will realize to off Com9. The fact that there is rampant skimming is this game and certain people say don't even read long posts makes me velive I can't hide the fact that we should kill Com9. I'm just posting that way so gob forbid that power roll goes to a skimmer they will still know what they must do.

Do you mind explain specifically *WHY* I need to be killed? I'd love to know.

Finally, it was proven over a year ago that long posts and cases are anti-town. I realize the mafiascum meta isn't the same as the meta here, but you can get off your high horse about long posts. The longer your post, the more likely it is to contain falsehoods, because mafia is a game of imperfect information.

vote Talapus

Not necessarily true. It depends on the player and his style. Personally, I tend to make long posts whatever my alignment is as that allows me to pursue my specific playstyle (aggressive strategy against people I deem to be on the other side) - and that is evidenced by my win rate as town. I think same is true for Strike Wolf, Spiesr and some others.

Then there are people like Sully who tend to scummarine unless they get a super good role which then makes them to post more. This one would be true.

Lastly, there are people like Mandy - their play style is quite similar to the 1st one (the one I use) except they specifically aim to take the lead and roll the town to it's demise (if they're mafia) or sometimes salvation (if they're town).

I've not played enough with Talapus, but I'd say he's in the 3rd category.

FINALLY:

You, on the other hand, are forgetting that as soon as you dispassionately place yourselves among those whom you are willing to send to certain death, you take another step toward strategic wisdom; for the only thing that I cannot replace is - victory.

This statement is false as I have indeed placed myself in the strategic whirlpool that allowed me to evaluate everything correctly - as an art. "Learn about art, Captain. When you understand a species' [Players] art, you understand that species [Those players]."

Tl;dr:

If you will skim this whole post, at least read the italicized part.

Firstly I would like to claim the victory in our little Quote War on the basis that your quote's connection with the situation is too stretched.

Secondly, I tend to take jokes very seriously since they offer insight into the mind of a player. For example, my jokes show that I really, REALLY want to beat Tal this time. I just hope that we are not on the same side because then I would have to share my win. (Maybe he's a Survivor, that would be fun. (I have no reason to think that he is, I just think that it would be neat).) Your first 'joke' sounded like you were jokingly implying that you are scum. It's Day 1. I have pounced on people for less.
Also, the whole "I'm real important but I can't tell why thing doesn't sound like something that a real pro-town power role would say, since it draws attention to you and if you are a Doc or a Cop you want to survive long enough to do something for the Town, as opposed to getting NKed on Night 1 because you have spent Day 1 explaining to everyone that would listen that you are a real juicy target. On the other hand, if you are really a Cult Leader then it is imperative for you to survive 'till Night 1 in order to recruit (if you are a Cult Leader, the I suggest recruiting Exile. Guaranteed win )

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2. Talapus....

Respectfully: Calm yo shit, sir.

I echo Skoffin's sentiment here...you don't need to be posting every other message. You can either be (1)short and concise or (2)rambling and dominant with overly long-winded pointless posts. You, sir are #2. I do not skim, however, how do you expect me to remember all that crap you put in your posts. You know what your posts tell me? You think everyone is a skimmer. That's all I get. Nice work. Be sure to post more.
u3. Doomyoshi - You are more my style. You type what you think with no filter at all. I sometimes wonder how you stay alive in these games ...but I do agree that Talapus is flooding us with walls of text.
4. Talaps...again...his posts were so long, I forgot a point. Quit directing town on what they should do tonight. I can't wait until Comm lives through the night and you rain down another tirade of insults on us.
5. 27 players! It's a little overwhelming. Especially when the conversation is dominated by a few players. Please be mindful of this and allow some time for other players to post.

That's all from me. Please do not expect 10 posts a day from me. 1 post. Per day.

PS - if you can't tell, I'm leaning Talapus for a vote. However, I will settle down and see how I feel after another day.

Remarkable, you claim that your post and vote helped get results and Com9 to talk. Yet I do the same and and people are in here talking and discussing about me which would be results as well. However your's is better how exactly? Because that's exactly what it sounds like you are inferring. Never is it a good idea to vote someone because you are annoyed. Not impressed by that answer at all as you haven't even stated if it plans to be a trend. So for now you may keep my vote.

1. You're the guy standing in the middle of the room screaming. Most of us are asking why are you are standing there screaming insults at us. You're just drawing attention.
2. If I was going to continue to vote on annoyance, I would have voted, don't you think? You have certainly garnered a vote based on that. However, I did not vote you...thus, it is NOT a trend.

Nab, you are basically saying that Tal should lower his level of play to make it more accessible for you. This isn't McDonalds dude, that point of posting is not to get like with 2 sentence puns but to catch scum. By discussing in as much detail as you can because the more details you offer the more information the Town has to base decisions. Information is power, and guys like Tal can be used as evidence and/or clues,

[The Weird One]

Honestly, I'm having trouble seeing a way to throw my vote, right now...Neb claimed that he was doing simply what it sounded like and just trying to end it all...while not a good reason, I wouldn't call it scummy, per se...Doom succeeded in derailing -albeit briefly- the mob running after Neb, which he claims is unintentional, but I don't see why he wouldn't make that claim, anyway. Exile has come forward and explained his reasoning. All in all, those are the top three I am eyeballing, now [I'm keeping clear of Commander9 for fear of a jester...his apathy when the mob started to build up is a bit suspicious]. Of those three, Doom seems to have the least substantial backing. It could be perfectly valid, but it also sounds too easy of a cover to come up with. I'm probably missing something [I have read it all. I just can't guarantee retaining it all. I'll reread, tomorrow, again to try to catch anything I might have missed.]. I just feel like I need to post something, and I feel that it should be a vote of some sort after all of my reasoning, before...regarding any gramatical f***-ups, I'm running on barely any sleep for the past couple of days, so please forgive me [also for poor logic]...I'm going to vote Doom for his questionable motives. Also, FOS jonty for proposing that a no-lynch could be a good outlet, for us on day 1...it sounds like that's just your view of mafia games, in general, though...a differing of opinions, it would seem.

[rishaed]

@ Doom, Link the part where you said TAL disagreed, I'm not finding it.

other people said Yoshi seemed to derail the thread, I don't really see it that way

According to talapus, I didn't derail the thread, or his case on Neb.

@aage: 2 pages ago? With 27 players, that is just over a post per player. It is also less than 24 hours difference. I wanted to see how the rishaed thing played out first, especially since I went looking through his mafia history as I have a meta on him as being a concise player normally. The rishaed thing is played out. He seems more confused townie than scum trying to blackwash me.

So are you implying that you intentionally posted the crap about long posts being scummy in a fishing expedition against me?
I'm flattered, but not sure I completely buy it. Found the post finally, the post got buried in the para. Also speaking its a nice way of gracefully shifting attention, but time will tell. I've definitely got my eye on you, but am willing to move in other directions right now. vote Neb The day has gone long enough without a claim. Its somewhat of a bandwagon, but Talupus's case is overall a good one, and Neb's recent actions don't help. If this doesn't work, JKer is next, he never posted like he promised.

[Minister Masket]

[nagerous]

f*ck yeah

I love bad bitches that's mah fuckin problem