Waterdale Mafia Over Mafia Wins

[Fircoal]

Doing this on my phone... sorry. Newguy and kgb both had the opportunity to hammer me and have ample justification, yet they did not, even though the repercussions would have been nearlu nonexistent, so I believe they are town. Iron Butterfly is so aggressive and nit picky, few mafia get away with that without overplaying their hand... he is town, if that is to be reasoned. James is still crazy, basically agreeing with far too many people without having TOO much new info to bring... That would most likely make him town. That leaves fir and TWO. They are old school and have been playing this for years. They are argumentative and pushy, but never truly accusatory. They nitpick other arguments and play devils advocate but never really try to start a push in any given direction. They have also had no contact through posts in this game... have they ever said anything to one another? They are also both on the site fairly often, especially around the time of night. I firmly believe at least one, if not both, is mafia... Vote: TWO

Well there. I would like you to think of my personality first and then read over what you just wrote. I honestly don't think anything you have said is anything really unlike me. I can't recall the last time you and I have played here together but I do believe me throwing around whatever I feel is scummy is something that I do. I personally go by a policy of trying to find scum not by focusing on one prime target, and looking at all the scummy things everyone is doing and seeing who is being the scummiest of all. Even with that I have pushed for whom I think is the mafia. I have stated it multiple times and I don't think you can't say I'm not pushing in a given direction. In fact you yourself noted this yourself:

Honestly, I would almost think Fir and IB were in this together, because they are GREAT at distancing themselves from one another, but I think they are both very serious in their arguments... However, I can't really say that I think either one of them are scum, either...

You two should quit arguing and target someone else TOGETHER.... Like... Bad cop/bad cop

Looking at this post not only do you say that you don't think I am scum (even though you suspicions lie from before that post was made) you also note the fighting between me and IB. We all know who I think first and fore most should be lynched. However I'm not going to make this day all about me and my idea of who should be lynched. I am fine lynching scum whoever that is. Thusly I'm going to throw out whatever I got and see where it lands.

[The Weird One]

Well, I'm at a loss, here...There is a bit of a case against IB, but I'm unsure if there's enough substance behind it...That being said, it's been about five days since kgb last posted...


vote kgb

[kgb007]

really? bc the last time TWO posted was right after me on Friday, this game has been stalling since the weekend as it seems the arguments have died down, by my count, there are 4 of us with 1 vote each cast against, IB, TWO, nark and myself

i'm waiting for new guy to post again since all he really did was vote IB and say he'll post more later, however I would disagree with his argument that it would be hard to get someone to L2, considering it only takes 4 votes to lynch....

Sorry I havent posted in awhile. I was going to make a post the other day, but decided I couldnt think of anything to say and gave up. I am concerned with getting anyone to L2, because while we would know who scum was with a speedlynch, I dont want to deal with the argument of "I didnt know". I said yesterday I thought IB is scummy, so I will Vote IB. Ill get reasons when I am not so tired. Can probably look at my last few posts and find them so I should have them by tomorrow.

[The Weird One]

really? bc the last time TWO posted was right after me on Friday, this game has been stalling since the weekend as it seems the arguments have died down, by my count, there are 4 of us with 1 vote each cast against, IB, TWO, nark and myself

i'm waiting for new guy to post again since all he really did was vote IB and say he'll post more later, however I would disagree with his argument that it would be hard to get someone to L2, considering it only takes 4 votes to lynch....

Sorry I havent posted in awhile. I was going to make a post the other day, but decided I couldnt think of anything to say and gave up. I am concerned with getting anyone to L2, because while we would know who scum was with a speedlynch, I dont want to deal with the argument of "I didnt know". I said yesterday I thought IB is scummy, so I will Vote IB. Ill get reasons when I am not so tired. Can probably look at my last few posts and find them so I should have them by tomorrow.

No. My last post was on Monday...That being said, this is going hellaciously slow...Bah!

[spiesr]

Vote Count:
Anarkistsdream (1): JamesKer1
The Weird One (1): Anarkistsdream
Iron Butterfly (1): new guy1
kgb007 (1): The Weird One

4 Votes required for a lynch.

Things seem to be slowing down so I will set a deadline to keep you guys on your toes.

Deadline: November 2 10:00 MDT
I would be able to be talked into an extension if people want that, but you guys need to seriously increase your collective output. No posts on Tuesday at all? Do you people not read the rules?

Spoiler

• Be attentive and active in the game. The main game on this website requires you to take your turn within 24 hours, so you should be logging on frequently anyway, try to post at least that often. Inactive players may be replaced or killed at the mod's discretion.

[Fircoal]

Vote Count:
Anarkistsdream (1): JamesKer1
The Weird One (1): Anarkistsdream
Iron Butterfly (1): new guy1
kgb007 (1): The Weird One

4 Votes required for a lynch.

Things seem to be slowing down so I will set a deadline to keep you guys on your toes.

Deadline: November 2 10:00 MDT
I would be able to be talked into an extension if people want that, but you guys need to seriously increase your collective output. No posts on Tuesday at all? Do you people not read the rules?

Spoiler

• Be attentive and active in the game. The main game on this website requires you to take your turn within 24 hours, so you should be logging on frequently anyway, try to post at least that often. Inactive players may be replaced or killed at the mod's discretion.

I think nobody posting tends to make everyone else want to post even less sadly. PErsonally I don't understand why it's so quiet either. I think AD needs to say more in response, and I think a lot of people need to make more cases. There has been mainly defenses rather than cases.

[JamesKer1]

Well don't replace me or anything... Just don't see much to go off of except that which I've already stated. Saying things over and over won't make them more or less true. My vote stays on Nark

[new guy1]

Vote Count:
Anarkistsdream (1): JamesKer1
The Weird One (1): Anarkistsdream
Iron Butterfly (1): new guy1
kgb007 (1): The Weird One

4 Votes required for a lynch.

Things seem to be slowing down so I will set a deadline to keep you guys on your toes.

Deadline: November 2 10:00 MDT
I would be able to be talked into an extension if people want that, but you guys need to seriously increase your collective output. No posts on Tuesday at all? Do you people not read the rules?

Spoiler

• Be attentive and active in the game. The main game on this website requires you to take your turn within 24 hours, so you should be logging on frequently anyway, try to post at least that often. Inactive players may be replaced or killed at the mod's discretion.

I think nobody posting tends to make everyone else want to post even less sadly. PErsonally I don't understand why it's so quiet either. I think AD needs to say more in response, and I think a lot of people need to make more cases. There has been mainly defenses rather than cases.

I agree with the posting trends.

To continue with IB:

Yesterday, fircoal posted after going silent for a week or so.

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Which really looks like you're trying to sell your cake and eat it to. You "warn" us about the dangers but at the same time cry out for someone to claim. Then when some claims start popping out like baby bunnies (yay Rabbit sex) you back up and say "Well I didn't want this. I WARNED YOU GUYS." Then you disappear. Considering you seemed to have fathered this wagon on AD at least some it is od that you would disappear and let others do the work for you. But back to the votes. Considering you supported claiming on L-2 in such a small game points more towards a want of people to be claiming. Your reason for claiming at L-2 is very silly. Habit? HABIT? I didn't know that having a "habit" is a good reason to do something stupid. I'm sure adhering to this "habit" will be a nice consolation prize if the town loses. We should not be following our habits so much as doing the smart thing. And in a game like this the smart thing is to not claim at the drop of a hat, but rather claim when it is absolutely nessarly. In a game like this the mafia are looking for the big fries to kill. The more they know the easier it is to get that to happen. (On a semi-related note, imo it's much better to claim in a crazy game than a game like this. Here we just make the mafia's job easier while in a crazy game it tells us a lot more what is going on, and it's easier to check claims for bs. Also it happens that the mafia knowing these roles isn't as good because they don't know if there's better in the wings. They have to decide whether it's a good kill or not while unearthing VT's just says not to kill them.)

In short you did pound for the claims to happen then you backed off said you did nothing of the sort. Put pressure on AD, and then left for the others in the game to handle it while you sulked into the background. You sound unsure of your positions dispite your callings to the opposite. And for that I think you are scum.

Unvote, Vote: Iron Butterfly

I dont know, the case just looked good to me. I figured since I supported it yesterday, and I dont support any of the ones today, I would bring it back up.

[kgb007]

i thought Nark's weekend post/case was rather underwhelming against TWO (and fir to a lesser degree) considering he opened D2 with strong suspicions..

seeing how we're basically stuck in neutral, we can push for a claim but I don't know much good that'll do, recapping what I believe/feel, I still think Nark is town - nothing's changed there

i've had an issue with fir's activity level since D1 but his latest post piqued my interest

Looking at this post not only do you say that you don't think I am scum (even though you suspicions lie from before that post was made) you also note the fighting between me and IB. We all know who I think first and fore most should be lynched. However I'm not going to make this day all about me and my idea of who should be lynched. I am fine lynching scum whoever that is. Thusly I'm going to throw out whatever I got and see where it lands.

your reason for not voting this person doesn't hold water for me, you haven't thrown anything out in D2 and i think i made it clear who i found scummiest in D1 (i'm looking at you fir LOL), IE my idea of who should be lynched so either shit or get off the pot

I too want to lynch scum but how do we get to that point? i've never done a speed lynch before so I don't know the mechanics and when it would be appropriate to do so like new guy1 suggested

i'm for getting another claim unless someone else has a better idea? if I had to cast my vote against someone for a claim/lynch it would be IB at this point given newguy1's case and the bickering between he and Fir today but i'll wait for other opinions on what to do

[Anarkistsdream]

I think nobody posting tends to make everyone else want to post even less sadly. PErsonally I don't understand why it's so quiet either. I think AD needs to say more in response, and I think a lot of people need to make more cases. There has been mainly defenses rather than cases.

Say more? I made my case... What more could I possibly say? It is right there in black and white.

[Fircoal]

i've had an issue with fir's activity level since D1 but his latest post piqued my interest

Oh really? What do I have to answer to except that I was busy and now I'm playing more like I should be

Looking at this post not only do you say that you don't think I am scum (even though you suspicions lie from before that post was made) you also note the fighting between me and IB. We all know who I think first and fore most should be lynched. However I'm not going to make this day all about me and my idea of who should be lynched. I am fine lynching scum whoever that is. Thusly I'm going to throw out whatever I got and see where it lands.

your reason for not voting this person doesn't hold water for me, you haven't thrown anything out in D2 and i think i made it clear who i found scummiest in D1 (i'm looking at you fir LOL), IE my idea of who should be lynched so either shit or get off the pot

Woah! Hold on there. Nowhere in that was my reason I'm not voting IB. The reason I'm not voting IB is because the day reset and I never really thought to put my vote back on him. If you want to see it, here it is: Vote: IB I believe that puts IB at L-2 for whatever that's worth.

I too want to lynch scum but how do we get to that point? i've never done a speed lynch before so I don't know the mechanics and when it would be appropriate to do so like new guy1 suggested

i'm for getting another claim unless someone else has a better idea? if I had to cast my vote against someone for a claim/lynch it would be IB at this point given newguy1's case and the bickering between he and Fir today but i'll wait for other opinions on what to do

We find whoever is most scummy and try to lynch them? It doesn't seem that hard to do. Personally I think IB is the best choice here. Some people may disagree but for what it's worth I think that's the best chance.

[Fircoal]

I think nobody posting tends to make everyone else want to post even less sadly. PErsonally I don't understand why it's so quiet either. I think AD needs to say more in response, and I think a lot of people need to make more cases. There has been mainly defenses rather than cases.

Say more? I made my case... What more could I possibly say? It is right there in black and white.

I do believe me and TWO responded to your case so there is that.

[Anarkistsdream]

I think nobody posting tends to make everyone else want to post even less sadly. PErsonally I don't understand why it's so quiet either. I think AD needs to say more in response, and I think a lot of people need to make more cases. There has been mainly defenses rather than cases.

Say more? I made my case... What more could I possibly say? It is right there in black and white.

I do believe me and TWO responded to your case so there is that.

.... OK... You responded... It doesn't change what I wrote, but your reply doesn't give me some mystical way to think of more to say, either...

Dur, fircoal...

[kgb007]

maybe a prod of IB is in order? I believe he's at L2

[spiesr]

Vote Count:
Iron Butterfly (2): new guy1, Fircoal
Anarkistsdream (1): JamesKer1
The Weird One (1): Anarkistsdream
kgb007 (1): The Weird One

• 4 Votes required for a lynch.
• Deadline: November 2 10:00 MDT
• Iron Butterfly has been prodded.

[Anarkistsdream]

I will not vote IB when I see scum has already voted him.

[kgb007]

if he doesn't surface soon, can we get an extension? i hate dealines that are on the weekend..

[Iron Butterfly]

Hey guys. Sorry I took some cold medicine for a cold and have been a zombie.

OK claim time eh?? May as well as this game is at a dead end as far as I am concerned.

I am Town Role Blocker. This is one of the reasons I made my statement that about roles and my accusations of people minimizing roles.. If I am the only power role I have to guess not only who mafia is but who is going for the kill. On night one I blocked gregwolf. I thought he may be mafia because of his limited posting.

[Anarkistsdream]

Boy... that is all really convenient.

[The Weird One]

Hey guys. Sorry I took some cold medicine for a cold and have been a zombie.

OK claim time eh?? May as well as this game is at a dead end as far as I am concerned.

I am Town Role Blocker. This is one of the reasons I made my statement that about roles and my accusations of people minimizing roles.. If I am the only power role I have to guess not only who mafia is but who is going for the kill. On night one I blocked gregwolf. I thought he may be mafia because of his limited posting.

I'm unsure on this one...On the one hand it's a role that I wouldn't expect to see in a basic game, but it is simple enough to still fit. I would see roleblocker as a semi-safe claim for scum in this setup. If he is being honest, though, it sucks that we hit a power role with a claim...

[Fircoal]

Hey guys. Sorry I took some cold medicine for a cold and have been a zombie.

OK claim time eh?? May as well as this game is at a dead end as far as I am concerned.

I am Town Role Blocker. This is one of the reasons I made my statement that about roles and my accusations of people minimizing roles.. If I am the only power role I have to guess not only who mafia is but who is going for the kill. On night one I blocked gregwolf. I thought he may be mafia because of his limited posting.

I'm unsure on this one...On the one hand it's a role that I wouldn't expect to see in a basic game, but it is simple enough to still fit. I would see roleblocker as a semi-safe claim for scum in this setup. If he is being honest, though, it sucks that we hit a power role with a claim...

It's actually a very safe claim in my opinion. Considering how there is likely no roleblocker in this game it makes it easy for a mafia to be able to claim. However it really is possible to me in this game. I personally say it's a lie. The fact that he blocked Greg seems suspect since he's a confirmed dead townie. Not to mention I'm not sure WHY he would go after Greg. His limited posting doesn't seem like a very good reason to me.

Spiesr I have a question, for a roleblocker to be able to block the mafia kill can they target either of the mafia members, or do they have to target the mafia member designated for the kill?

[kgb007]

There is a difference between a "basic game" and spiesr stating that this will be a relatively simple game intended to be noob friendly. Granted there are a limited number of permutations for roles to keep the game balanced between mafia and town but I would also not assume anything about what is or is not present in this game role wise.

taken from page 3 when nark threw out speculation on game setup, maybe a partial bread crumb..? i don't think any of us were expecting a roleblocker claim

not sure if i believe it given the flavor spec, even if greg was still alive, he woulda blocked a VT

this was the problem i faced when I was a roleblocker in my most recent game, i could only block one person so unless i guessed correctly (which only happened on the last night and we lost anyway - thanks again new guy LOL), it doesn't clear that roleblocked person from being mafia if one of his scum buddies carried out the kill instead

[Iron Butterfly]

Boy... that is all really convenient.

In what way?

If I had claimed VT you could easily say the same thing. In fact its easy to say no matter what I or anyone claim.

[new guy1]

Which game kgb? I cant remember it.

To me, I think IB's claim is fake. As already stated, I think it is just a really safe claim for mafia to make as the predictable roles are doc or cop. With this said, his role is a role that combines the cop and doc role in a very lose way of thinking because he can block the kill and in turn inform us who the mafia is, making those two roles into one and giving the aspect that the mafia can choose not to kill and frame someone. I do find it a little suspect that he blocked a dead townie, because while shit happens, it is quite convenient. I would like to request an extension just so we dont make any quick decisions that we regret later.

[Anarkistsdream]

Boy... that is all really convenient.

In what way?

If I had claimed VT you could easily say the same thing. In fact its easy to say no matter what I or anyone claim.

Unless another townie claims a power role, you are walking on easy street... and your power was to block a newbie with absolutely no mafia experience who is now dead?

Again, though, I still believe you and think it is TWO and Fircoal...

Unless anybody else agrees though, and we get some votes on these people, then this game will be a mafia win.