Re: Gladiators Mafia - Endgame: Mafia Wins!

[Iron Butterfly]

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I will say this has been a hard game to follow due to all the new players. I voted for Wolf, who was very very scummy and offered nothing and seriouscowking. The hard part about playing mafia is just because you know you are Town no one else does. Mafia knows who they are and know who ever they target is one less player to worry on the road to winning.

Hind site is 20/20. It is always informative re-reading game logs after the fact that people have died. You get to see how folks respond knowing they are Town. You get to see how mafia stir the pot and respond to other players. Akira is a prime example.

SO where are we??

I am obviously Town.

Crown is Town. Why?? He knew Mike was visited by the Doc on night one. Plain and simple. Only a watcher would know that period. There is no reason not to believe he was blocked by mafia because with all the healing roles and investigative roles and having an SK, a mafia blocker makes perfect sense. Crowns problem this game is that he has been trying to help motivate, teach and play mafia all at the same time. He has been the game leader, which the game has surly needed.

Tuffy is Town. They stopped the speed lynch on Crown but what is most telling to me is that they were on Akiros ass from the get go. They saw a pattern and stuck to it and were right.

That leaves us a pool of four.

crasp, mike, Bantam and Mith.

My top choice to lynch would be Bantam but mike would work as well. He has offered nothing and was on crowns speed lynch.

I address this to the serial killer. Its a hard role to win at as you need to be last man standing. Mafia know who each other are so even Town loses you still need to kill mafia. I suspect there are two mafia and 1 sk. There could also still be three mafia.

The bad guys are in this group of 4

vote Mike

[crasp]

If there is only 2 mafia that would make sense. Both Mike and Mith jumped when i voted the crown but would not have enough to carry out the lynch. Or did i stop it too soon and there are three. i genuinely believed the Crown to be mafia but did not want to take the chance as i realised too late that sirius was townie but once the limited is achieved you cant take it back i didnt know that last time.

[Iron Butterfly]

Wolfz and Cump, you 2 look the scummiest, and Akamiro not far behind. Townies, I say we pursue these guys and hopefully find some mafia. Since everyone has checked in, I assume that no one had any reports to give about good results on a night action.

Cump - Did you visit someone last night, and was it DB4?
Wolfz - @Wolf, why did you say that you couldn't believe people didn't vote for you?

1st one to answer my question is safe for now, I will immediately vote on the one that doesn't answer.

This is why I believe Crown is Town. As watcher he knew Crump visited Mike. Crump suggests in a roundabout way that he visted DB4. That is why Crump was so defensive and antagonistic. His inexperience directed him to believe Crown was scum because he knew exactly what he did.

That in fact is the history of crowns exchanges this game. Crown so wants to connect the dots abd build a case that when he presses everyone pressed believe he is mafia. The newbie mentality is thatm"Because i am Town anyone who tried to challenge me or question me must be mafia."

There is a saying, "Lynch all Liars" Town does not lie EVER! Once you are caught in a lie you lose all credibility. Its grounds for being lynched. Crump lied and dodged the question. In a game of experienced players he would be killed.

Mafia now knows that Crown is a power role and will block him. His claim is valid.

[Mithridaties]

Iron Butterfly: You are obviously far more experienced in this game then i am and i value your input. At this time i will deffer to your wisdom. and: Unvote Crown I hope you are right about him. As according to my notes the 2nd place person coincidentally for me is Crasp. Perhaps he wishes to Off the so-called "Town Watch". How about it crasp why so quick to call for blood?

Vote Crasp

[crasp]

Like i said before while you have been busy hiding i have busy chatting to the moderator on how to play. and guess what he told me on how to spot mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

Iron Butterfly: You are obviously far more experienced in this game then i am and i value your input. At this time i will deffer to your wisdom. and: Unvote Crown I hope you are right about him. As according to my notes the 2nd place person coincidentally for me is Crasp. Perhaps he wishes to Off the so-called "Town Watch". How about it crasp why so quick to call for blood?

Vote Crasp

Interesting. Apparently you do not value my input enough to follow my lead and Tuffys lead to vote mike? Here I have explained why tuffy and I are Town and why Mike has a high probability of being scum and you vote the person that is second on your list.

we will need four to lynch so I now believe there are just 2 mafia and 1 sk.

[crasp]

Be sure IB. Doing the sums if your wrong this is over.

[crasp]

Vote Mike

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote

Lets keep Mike at L2 and give him a chance to claim. In fact it would help if we were to hear from everyone involved one last time before a vote.

Mike was quick to bandwagon Crown and now that the tables have turned he has nothing to say.

i would also like a rebuttal from Mith. He values my wisdom yet votes Crasp.

Mod can we have a prod please.

[crasp]

need to be tomorrow for me guys. i am working in 4 hours. pleae dont take my silence as meaning anything.

[Ignoreme]

Yes...Iron Butterfly. If that is your real name. You are far more experienced. However, you can say all you want about crown and his role. I did not quickly jump on any "band wagon" to lynch crown. If you go back and real all post, I have voted for crown in every round. Why?
I again stick to my first reason...and others that followed, but never wavered. Scum must kill townies to win. Crown is nearly always the first to jump out and lead some lynching gang. Always eager to kil...as I believe scum would. Lynch me, that's fine. YOU LOSE. Or maybe not? maybe your scum.
I admit, I don't have time to follow as close as some of you, or post the way some of you do...making notes...taking names. But I can spot a killer.
But I will follow the lead.....

[Ignoreme]

That lead would be...after much though...

unvote crown

vote crasp

[Iron Butterfly]

Yes...Iron Butterfly. If that is your real name. You are far more experienced. However, you can say all you want about crown and his role. I did not quickly jump on any "band wagon" to lynch crown. If you go back and real all post, I have voted for crown in every round. Why?
I again stick to my first reason...and others that followed, but never wavered. Scum must kill townies to win. Crown is nearly always the first to jump out and lead some lynching gang. Always eager to kil...as I believe scum would. Lynch me, that's fine. YOU LOSE. Or maybe not? maybe your scum.
I admit, I don't have time to follow as close as some of you, or post the way some of you do...making notes...taking names. But I can spot a killer.
But I will follow the lead.....

vote mike

I've heard enough.

[TheCrown]

Mike, you just suggested that Iron Butt might be mafia? DId I see that right? He is the only one 100% proven to be town because he died and came back.

I will hold off my vote on you Mike, as stated by IB, you need to claim.

[Iron Butterfly]

Mike, you just suggested that Iron Butt might be mafia? DId I see that right? He is the only one 100% proven to be town because he died and came back.

I will hold off my vote on you Mike, as stated by IB, you need to claim.

what claim would satisfy you??

[Mithridaties]

Interesting. {Mithridaties} Apparently you do not value my input enough to follow my lead and Tuffys lead to vote mike? Here I have explained why tuffy and I are Town and why Mike has a high probability of being scum and you vote the person that is second on your list.
"Lets keep Mike at L2 and give him a chance to claim. In fact it would help if we were to hear from everyone involved one last time before a vote. Mike was quick to bandwagon Crown and now that the tables have turned he has nothing to say. i would also like a rebuttal from Mith. He values my wisdom yet votes Crasp..."

No i do not follow leads. I way and consider arguments. I pick and choose reasoning that sounds intelligent. Just because you make a valid reasonable argument concerning one player (Crown) does by no means mean that i submit my will to your whims Butterfly. You have yet to present a reasonable case for me to vote for mike this time. I like that you are putting pressure on him. Pressure is good it can cause scum to squeal and squirm. I don't think that anything you have said is lynch worthy regarding Mike. it is match point right now. my vote can not be more important, then it is right now. All of us should be careful. we CANNOT lose another townie. But keep the pressure on him. something interesting might come out of it? Watch out for bandwagoners. And those who follow too closely. I have yet to see any wisdom in voting for mike. be sure and let me know when you present it and i will deliver a rebuttal, or perhaps i will find myself changing my vote...

[Ignoreme]

Claim?
No you didn't read that right. I said "for all I know." As stated, I've been busy in first chocolate town, then strawberry town.
How and what would you have me claim?
As I said...you can lynch me...but do so to the demise of the townies and vanilla town. As I see it there can only be two other mafia....you or crasp.


for now, my vote stands.

[Mithridaties]

Mike, you just suggested that Iron Butt might be mafia? DId I see that right? He is the only one 100% proven to be town because he died and came back.

That was Dumb mike, you should know better. But i don't think you keep notes. so you will have time to apologize. i don't wish to lose another townie because of poor note-taking. there is a whole lot to reread...

[Mithridaties]

[quote="TheCrown"]I'm telling you, the eyes mean nothing... and that is from experience. The fact is we have dead townies, doesn't matter how mutilated their bodies are, it's not going to help. Unless someone feels like going back through every post and checking on it. Pretty sure it would just be a waste of 2 hours though.

If you are a Townie as you claim why did you continue to pursue Cump if you thought he was the cop. left him on a limb then directed attention to Wolf. Another townie.

Also noted The Crown trying to deflect attention away from the significance of the eye stuff which has been a theme all through this.

What flagged Cump up was DB4 giving him a false alibi. A hockey game that nobody knew about including Cump. Compounded by the Crown trying to make Cump declare. In fact the we hate crown, i hate Cump game was so blatant that i had my own theories and sought guidance. Cumps death now makes this irrelevant.
As far as my part in the lynchings i have put my hands up to the first as i was over eager and my first lynch. The second was legitimate. Wolf had every chance to defend himself.
In terms of DB4 list maybe he should add himself.

I think the Crown should be removed right now for his daytime activities. he is killing me right now. Is that really how you guys spell cereal killer. [/quote]

The blue is crasp and the pink is crown
Iron Butterfly: On one hand you Suggest that it is unwise to vote for one of the crowns greatest haters and on the other you sing crowns innocence. If the crown is innocent, lets put some pressure on his chief hater. the one who is always first to vote for his lynching!

[Bantam]

My top choice to lynch would be Bantam but mike would work as well. He has offered nothing and was on crowns speed lynch.

Thank-you for your vote of support....

I'm certainly becoming more certain that Crown's position as the watcher is valid, and he states he was blocked again watching Akamiro.
We seemed to move very quickly to be at L-1 from lynching Crown, one more vote and he would have been gone as well.

I'd like to hear from crasp as he has been quick with the spotlight each round, he voted for Sirius and then un-voted - genuine mistake ?
Yet he mentions he's been contcating the mod so he must have an idea of the rules/process.
Then he starts the quick lynch of crown.
I read my notes and in your shoes my role doesn't look good, especially the vote count episode, didn't know what you could do or not do - in retrospect I should have PM'd Epitaph direct but wasn't sure that was allowed, even though I was convinced Sirius was Town.

Tuffy - you've been quiet as well whats your latest position apart from also being in my fan-club with IB ?

[TuffyLess]

I believe TC is in fact townie because on D2, right after N1 - has was on Cumps' case like stink on poo, to reveal who he visited/was visited by. TC could not have performed two night actions = 1> Watch Cump and 2> Kill.
Dont quote me here (cause Im not going to spend 30 minutes researching to verify before posting this), It then wasnt revealed until I think D3 that TC came clean about his N1 actions. Also on D3, it came out that TC's line of questioning towards Cump was warranted because someone talked. You see ... this proves that TC was telling truth about his N1 actions. Since TC was watching at night - he cannot possibly be killing. If TC was watching on N1, then he couldnt be killing during N2 or N3.
As for his voting during the D's, Im not complaining really because Ive been agreeing with them.

Cant blame anyone for their vote to lynch D1; that was nothing but a crap shoot.
On D2, we hung Wolf ... but he deserved it. In fact, that townie virtually assisted us in lynching him by not even trying to defend himself. Perhaps he just wanted out of the mafia game and he saw this as a legal way to make it happen ... who knows.
On D3, we hung Sirius. I was pissed when Mod revealed his alignment; I could have sworn we had a bad guy there, but ... live & learn.

Aki, the GodFather didnt post often and when he did - just stirred the pot 'o shit, didnt talk much using logic and assisted none when making his points because they were so vague.

Iron (Gundula) alignment is obvious; for Mike to say otherwise is most probably just because of not taking notes. I didnt take notes this game either though - have been going from memory since the start; I will notetake the next.

Anyway Mike, we cannot know for sure if your looking scummish is because of no notes or if because you got something to hide. As it might turn out - perhaps because of both.
You got on my radar when you posted your vote to lynch Sirius on D3. It wasnt your vote, it was the manner at which you presented your vote. Then, when Sirius turned out to be townie, you definitely were on my list.
A word you used ... you seemed quite eager to vote Sirius (a townie), when it came down to your vote really counting for something.

I think Bantam caught my eye late D2 or early D3; hes yet to really have anything to say. In fact, very much like Ak. I figure, if he was/is townie ... he would have a stake in the chatter & investigations, but he rarely participated. Quietness isnt enough to vote IMO, but his posts' interests dont seem to be the same as a couple of ours. ...and at this late in the game w/ all the dead townie powerroles, how could not offering insights/gut feelings be beneficial to the good guys?

Crasp, Mith ... im still really at a loss, for now!

[TuffyLess]

Tuffy - you've been quiet as well whats your latest position apart from also being in my fan-club with IB ?

and i have to say here, IB joined MY fanclub against you.
Guess you cannot escape the light, its going to really be shed upon you starting now

[crasp]

way too much info for this time in the morning. Will need to be after work.

[TuffyLess]

Why would anyone "unvote" to lynch mafia? "HOW" could anyone "unvote" mafia?
Sirius...is serious mafia. Lynch him before he gets us all.

lol ... just for affect.
**and since I cant edit ...