100,000 Christians are murdered for their faith each year

[Ray Rider]

The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

Urgh

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

Thanks for the web dictionary definition and all, but it sort of seems like you just googled "crusade" and went with whatever you could find first.

What I asked for was something you considered a crusade as a point for comparison.

Yo TGD, I think you're dealing with this fellow or one of his friends:

You won't get anywhere with him since it appears his only goal for posting in this thread is to be obstinate and frustrate you.

[Symmetry]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here Ray; do you have an example of a crusade?

[Metsfanmax]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here Ray; do you have an example of a crusade?

Do you have an example of a subject worth talking about?

[Symmetry]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here Ray; do you have an example of a crusade?

Do you have an example of a subject worth talking about?

"Was Thomas Jefferson a Rapist" and the "Cute Baby Animal Appreciation Thread" seemed worth talking about.

Those are both my threads,

What do you mean, Head Thinker?

[chang50]

So true,the cartoon captures the 'spoilt brat mentality' of so many of the religious,born out of getting their own way for millennia,and their extraordinary sense of their own specialness.If you have a direct personal relationship with the divine and you somehow delude yourself that you know what she wants it's only to be expected you would have contempt for those of us that are so less fortunate.

No, not religious. Just Christians. You clearly did not understand the comic.

True the cartoon singles out Christians,but to be fair to them it describes a mentality common to a lot of religious adherents..

What do you mean by "a lot?" 90%? 40%?

Impossible to put a figure on it,it's only my anecdotal opinion.I'm also pretty sure a lot of religious people wouldn't recognise themselves in that caricature as I do.

[_sabotage_]

Actually, the cartoon reminds me of Chang, stop pushing your religion, this isn't a flea market.

[BigBallinStalin]

Actually, the cartoon reminds me of Chang, stop pushing your religion, this isn't a flea market.

What's chang's religion?

[_sabotage_]

Anti-Catholic, but he makes exceptions for general Christians and Muslims.

[thegreekdog]

The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

Urgh

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

Thanks for the web dictionary definition and all, but it sort of seems like you just googled "crusade" and went with whatever you could find first.

What I asked for was something you considered a crusade as a point for comparison.

Oh shoot, we're back at the beginning now with you dodging my questions. Oh well. Maybe next time?

Unrelated - I think you're a professor. Can you please give me the name and address of the dean (person in charge) of your particular school? I'd like to write him or her a letter indicating that you are unfit to teach given that you think World Wars One and Two were religious crusades.

[thegreekdog]

The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

Urgh

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

Thanks for the web dictionary definition and all, but it sort of seems like you just googled "crusade" and went with whatever you could find first.

What I asked for was something you considered a crusade as a point for comparison.

Yo TGD, I think you're dealing with this fellow or one of his friends:

You won't get anywhere with him since it appears his only goal for posting in this thread is to be obstinate and frustrate you.

I mean, I know what he's doing. I'm just not frustrated about it. I was frustrated with Symm a while ago (I can't remember the subject or thread), but once I realized his motives, I became unfrustrated. It's quite liberating actually. Ultimately, in this thread, he made the point that he thought the war in Afghanistan was some Christian religious crusade because President Bush called it a crusade. It's an uneducated position and simply wrong. I called him on it and he doesn't like it (being wrong) so he plays his little game. He'll get bored eventually and move on to something else. I don't see anyone else taking up his crusade... I mean cause... so I feel pretty confident and happy in the overall result.

[Symmetry]

The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

Urgh

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

Thanks for the web dictionary definition and all, but it sort of seems like you just googled "crusade" and went with whatever you could find first.

What I asked for was something you considered a crusade as a point for comparison.

Oh shoot, we're back at the beginning now with you dodging my questions. Oh well. Maybe next time?

Unrelated - I think you're a professor. Can you please give me the name and address of the dean (person in charge) of your particular school? I'd like to write him or her a letter indicating that you are unfit to teach given that you think World Wars One and Two were religious crusades.

I'm only asking you to provide a conflict that you consider to be a crusade.

I don't understand why you find that unreasonable.

[chang50]

Anti-Catholic, but he makes exceptions for general Christians and Muslims.

Would that qualify as a religion?

[thegreekdog]

Impossible to put a figure on it,it's only my anecdotal opinion.I'm also pretty sure a lot of religious people wouldn't recognise themselves in that caricature as I do.

I think you'll find that the people you hear the most are the people that fall into that (which I think makes sense). Most religious people I know (and I probably know more than you), fall into the live and let live variety. They just aren't vocal about it (live and let live being sort of non-vocal, you know?).

Anti-Catholic, but he makes exceptions for general Christians and Muslims.

Interestingly, most anti-Catholics I meet are from other Christian denominations. When I worked check-out counter at a supermarket, this guy came into line and tried to sell me his brand of Christianity. I told him I was Catholic and he flipped his shit.

[thegreekdog]

The short of it is, if you don't think anything is a crusade then there is no point in further discussion- you will always say that anything declared as a crusade is not a crusade, but you won't give an example of a crusade.

Well, I agree with the free dictionary's definitions of the term crusade:

Urgh

1. often Crusade - any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.
2. a holy war undertaken with papal sanction.
3. a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse.

A religious crusade (recall that this is a thread with a religious context) would fit into definitions 1. and 2. World War 2 (and, to sabotage's point, your posts in this thread maybe) were crusades as defined by 3. But not religious crusades. Perhaps the war in Afghanistan is a vigorous, concerted movement for a cause or against abuse. But you called it a religious crusade in a thread about religion, so you appear to think that the war in Afghanistan falls into the 1. and 2. definitions.

Thanks for the web dictionary definition and all, but it sort of seems like you just googled "crusade" and went with whatever you could find first.

What I asked for was something you considered a crusade as a point for comparison.

Oh shoot, we're back at the beginning now with you dodging my questions. Oh well. Maybe next time?

Unrelated - I think you're a professor. Can you please give me the name and address of the dean (person in charge) of your particular school? I'd like to write him or her a letter indicating that you are unfit to teach given that you think World Wars One and Two were religious crusades.

I'm only asking you to provide a conflict that you consider to be a crusade.

I don't understand why you find that unreasonable.

I think this was up there somewhere. Let me check.... Yeah, yeah it was.

any of the military expeditions undertaken by European Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims.

[Symmetry]

That was your online dictionary, if I recall. Is that now your definition too? That it can't be a crusade unless it occurred in the 11th, 12th or 13th century?

A casual peruse of wiki indicates a crusade in the 14th Century, can that be included?

[_sabotage_]

Chang, Your fervor sanctifies your anti-religion.

TGD, I am anti-catholic of a different breed but try to never hate on the practitioner. My brand of religion is to follow Jesus, usually stays on the shelf, but has no expiry date.

Sym, for real, dude? For real?

[thegreekdog]

That was your online dictionary, if I recall. Is that now your definition too? That it can't be a crusade unless it occurred in the 11th, 12th or 13th century?

A casual peruse of wiki indicates a crusade in the 14th Century, can that be included?

You asked me to provide some conflicts that I considered crusades. Did I not do that? Are you changing the parameters again?

I mean, I'm kind of okay with saying a conflict called "The First Crusade" is a crusade.

Also, please pm me that address. I'm just not convinced you're qualified to teach young people. There's nothing worse than unqualified teachers.

[thegreekdog]

Chang, Your fervor sanctifies your anti-religion.

TGD, I am anti-catholic of a different breed but try to never hate on the practitioner. My brand of religion is to follow Jesus, usually stays on the shelf, but has no expiry date.

Sym, for real, dude? For real?

I can get anti-Catholic Church. I don't get anti-Catholic. It's like "I hate the United States government" vs. "I hate the people of the United States." But it's cool; I try (and usually fail) to stay uninvolved with that stuff.

[Symmetry]

That was your online dictionary, if I recall. Is that now your definition too? That it can't be a crusade unless it occurred in the 11th, 12th or 13th century?

A casual peruse of wiki indicates a crusade in the 14th Century, can that be included?

You asked me to provide some conflicts that I considered crusades. Did I not do that? Are you changing the parameters again?

I mean, I'm kind of okay with saying a conflict called "The First Crusade" is a crusade.

Also, please pm me that address. I'm just not convinced you're qualified to teach young people. There's nothing worse than unqualified teachers.

I'm asking you to pick one you consider a crusade. You didn't do that.

[notyou2]

Anti-Catholic, but he makes exceptions for general Christians and Muslims.

Are you sure? I thought it was I Chang.

[_sabotage_]

I Ching? i didn't know it was a religion.

My bad, meant anti-catholic church.

Here, Sym, I will give you a bone. Afghan is a heroin crusade. A war to promote the and expand the use of heroin.

[thegreekdog]

That was your online dictionary, if I recall. Is that now your definition too? That it can't be a crusade unless it occurred in the 11th, 12th or 13th century?

A casual peruse of wiki indicates a crusade in the 14th Century, can that be included?

You asked me to provide some conflicts that I considered crusades. Did I not do that? Are you changing the parameters again?

I mean, I'm kind of okay with saying a conflict called "The First Crusade" is a crusade.

Also, please pm me that address. I'm just not convinced you're qualified to teach young people. There's nothing worse than unqualified teachers.

I'm asking you to pick one you consider a crusade. You didn't do that.

Hmm... okay... let me check again. Let's see if I can find it here. Ah, there it is.

I'm kind of okay with saying a conflict called "The First Crusade" is a crusade.

Now I'm really concerned about your students. Not only is your knowledge of history flawed considerably, but your reading comprehension skills are piss poor.

[thegreekdog]

Here, Sym, I will give you a bone. Afghan is a heroin crusade. A war to promote the and expand the use of heroin.

Oh for f*ck's sake.

[BigBallinStalin]

Anti-Catholic, but he makes exceptions for general Christians and Muslims.

"Anti-Catholic" isn't a religion, so your position doesn't make any sense.

[Symmetry]

That was your online dictionary, if I recall. Is that now your definition too? That it can't be a crusade unless it occurred in the 11th, 12th or 13th century?

A casual peruse of wiki indicates a crusade in the 14th Century, can that be included?

You asked me to provide some conflicts that I considered crusades. Did I not do that? Are you changing the parameters again?

I mean, I'm kind of okay with saying a conflict called "The First Crusade" is a crusade.

Also, please pm me that address. I'm just not convinced you're qualified to teach young people. There's nothing worse than unqualified teachers.

I'm asking you to pick one you consider a crusade. You didn't do that.

Hmm... okay... let me check again. Let's see if I can find it here. Ah, there it is.

I'm kind of okay with saying a conflict called "The First Crusade" is a crusade.

Now I'm really concerned about your students. Not only is your knowledge of history flawed considerably, but your reading comprehension skills are piss poor.

"Kind of okay" didn't really cut it for me. Are we now accepting that the first crusade was a crusade though?