[GON 2nd mafia game] The townies won

[jusplay4fun]

I am not sure of faulting others is a productive way to continue. We have many who are new to this game and are confused. For them to not offer comments seems understandable to me. All the initial chatter about everything other than this game confused and frustrated me (and I am sure many others new to this game).

Now we are "pressured" to what? Confess we are in the Mafia? Ok....let me deny that I am in the Mafia. I AM NOT In the scum.

TWO GOOD ideas have emerged; the list of 4 and the save one, kill one list too. Here goes my contributions there:

The list of 4 is a good start; here is mine, in order of suspects: DB4, TheCrown, Archer, and I am not sure who My #4 is.....reasons are basically their discussion early of wanting to lynch people. The only role that I would assume would advocate such a move by a townie is a vigilante, and he, Ragot, has been lynched already.

one bullet? DB4. one vest to save? I do not know who is a townie for sure; I am confused.

AND ONE last point, I think everyone should offer one of the two lists to move the discussion forward, even those noobies to this game, like me, who are confused. Or at the very least, the noobies should ask questions, here, or send a PM to Sirius, as he suggested early on to get clarifications.

[King Edward 3rd]

Here's my list: 1. Elsuper 2. Mithridaties 3.czar 4. check 5. Akamiro ??? hurt his leg These are because of lack of posts. Keeping my vote the way it is.

[DB4Christ]

We are trying to help Just Play, but others need to chime in and understand that pressure means just that....pressure. It doesn't mean we are going to lynch!! The only way we have of moving the game along in a productive way, WITHOUT INVESTIGATIVE LEADS< is to pressure people into claiming/making a mistake/clearing themselves etc. Its the way the days go! Hear this NOOBIES! Otherwise....bla bla bla....boring...getting nowhere fast.

[jusplay4fun]

Yes, I am trying to move the game along and trying to encourage others to chime in with ideas and questions.

[Gabsensei]

the top 4 list is great and so is the one bullet one vest and so i will answer both of them

top 4: DB4, Czar, Archer and Check

would kill DB4 and save mtam since he participate alot and try to make the game develop

[TuffyLess]

Pg12 – TC posted his suspicions about Kill but cant really put too much stock into that; this was just his prelim list before many happened.
pg13 - Kill gained several lynch votes. Many of these votes ended up being shifted to Ragot at the end of the day.
pg14 - I noticed Kill acting suspicious and inquired
pg15 - MT catches Kill acting suspicious again
pg32 - Kill really gets scummy here
pg36 - My declaration against Kill
pg36 - DB4 unfavorable to that declaration but voted Kill on pg13??
pg41 - ...and still no help from Kill

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Kills defense:

pg14 - Why have you been quiet? but ... its page 14 by now!

Alright, newbie here. I kept waiting for someone to post something, anything in this game thread. Then I come to realize that I had been staring at the bottom of page 3 and there are 11 more pages of comments that follow. Good to see the game is well under way. Don't lynch the newbie!

pg33 - When told he' not helping the town.

Yeah, looks like a lot is getting accomplished.

pg36 - When told him he's #1 on my list:

I can assure you, kill should be nowhere near the top of your list. I have helped zilch? Tell me someone who has? We are nowhere closer to finding scum now than when we begun.

He could do better than this IMO; Theres no doubt more Ive missed.


So my lynch list is:
1> Kill
2> Aka

I believe townies are:
1> MT


My eyes are on (and not necessarily in a negative way):
1> archer
2> DB4
3> Gab

DB4, Im not sure what to do w/ you.
Some of your posts really make me think you're town; others point to scum - you're all over the map here.

Aka - on my lynch list for same reasons as Ragot. I understand hes got some RL issues going on so hes just not blowing us off - np really.
So i suggest IF we cannot decide on a lynch tonight - lets hit Aka.
Same as Ragot - if Aka is town; what are we really losing (he's not here playing the townie role anyway)
If hes Mafia ... score another kill for DT


Townies got no night info against the mafia last night - ok.
Maybe we got some townie info though.
WHOEVER we decide to lynch - if a townie has it on good night info we're about to lynch a townie ... plz plz come out and tell us somehow. For doing so, you should then be protected by our guarding roles come N2.


I know a long post but finally ...
A few pages back was talk of SK (Serial Killer) out there. I dont think so.
No kills were performed with anything other than a gun; SK's carry knives.
I do think we got at least 2 Mafia families though ... and the other family was responsible for crasps death - JMO.
No idea what happened to TC really ... i havent spent more energy trying to figure it out because we just have no info.


This was definitely more a complicated game than the last.

[archer3base]

Sorry guys... I haven't been posting because there really is no new information. I have been reading though and Tuffy's post was a good summary. For some reason I still think DB4 is scum. Voting for yourself and getting to 9 votes is very interesting. I posted my logic before and am sticking to it.

Vote DB4

[jusplay4fun]

EXCELLENT POST, Tuffy; everyone should read it.

I need to read the page # you cite to be sure I get it all.

I like all your lists; very helpful.

Let's hope this spurs more GOOD DISCUSSION and questions.

[King Edward 3rd]

Someone I didn't have on my list is Qbert on pg. 40 he just pops in between 2 big posts & votes that was only his 6th posts & supplied no reason for it. His other posts had nothing to do with helping to figure out the game. If I decide to change my vote it will probably for him.

[mtamburini]

Pg12 – TC posted his suspicions about Kill but cant really put too much stock into that; this was just his prelim list before many happened.
pg13 - Kill gained several lynch votes. Many of these votes ended up being shifted to Ragot at the end of the day.
pg14 - I noticed Kill acting suspicious and inquired
pg15 - MT catches Kill acting suspicious again
pg32 - Kill really gets scummy here
pg36 - My declaration against Kill
pg36 - DB4 unfavorable to that declaration but voted Kill on pg13??
pg41 - ...and still no help from Kill

--
Kills defense:

pg14 - Why have you been quiet? but ... its page 14 by now!

Alright, newbie here. I kept waiting for someone to post something, anything in this game thread. Then I come to realize that I had been staring at the bottom of page 3 and there are 11 more pages of comments that follow. Good to see the game is well under way. Don't lynch the newbie!

pg33 - When told he' not helping the town.

Yeah, looks like a lot is getting accomplished.

pg36 - When told him he's #1 on my list:

I can assure you, kill should be nowhere near the top of your list. I have helped zilch? Tell me someone who has? We are nowhere closer to finding scum now than when we begun.

He could do better than this IMO; Theres no doubt more Ive missed.


So my lynch list is:
1> Kill
2> Aka

I believe townies are:
1> MT


My eyes are on (and not necessarily in a negative way):
1> archer
2> DB4
3> Gab

DB4, Im not sure what to do w/ you.
Some of your posts really make me think you're town; others point to scum - you're all over the map here.

Aka - on my lynch list for same reasons as Ragot. I understand hes got some RL issues going on so hes just not blowing us off - np really.
So i suggest IF we cannot decide on a lynch tonight - lets hit Aka.
Same as Ragot - if Aka is town; what are we really losing (he's not here playing the townie role anyway)
If hes Mafia ... score another kill for DT


Townies got no night info against the mafia last night - ok.
Maybe we got some townie info though.
WHOEVER we decide to lynch - if a townie has it on good night info we're about to lynch a townie ... plz plz come out and tell us somehow. For doing so, you should then be protected by our guarding roles come N2.


I know a long post but finally ...
A few pages back was talk of SK (Serial Killer) out there. I dont think so.
No kills were performed with anything other than a gun; SK's carry knives.
I do think we got at least 2 Mafia families though ... and the other family was responsible for crasps death - JMO.
No idea what happened to TC really ... i havent spent more energy trying to figure it out because we just have no info.


This was definitely more a complicated game than the last.

I understand the reasoning behind why you would want Aka dead and it does seem like a good idea, however if he does flip town it puts us in a bad spot. I think he has not posted at all on D2 so would you be more inclined to have him replaced? This benefits us because someone will actually be posting and we could get better reads. Same situation with czar. He posted very little on D1 and D2, he said he was new and it was hard for him to follow which is understandable and was going to back out, he decided to stay in which was awesome because I thought he would post more however that has not been the case. Moo can you prod them and possibly replace them? We do have good discussion going on now however its still hard to read opinions of those who do not talk.

[SiriusCowKing]

Everyone posted on day2 except the dead and missing, I could make another post count to see who participate less and PM them. I know that czar doesn't participate a lot, he told me he was gonna be on a 24h flight soon but after that he will be able to pick up the pace with the game.

[SiriusCowKing]

Day 2 vote count:
archer3base - DB4Christ
DB4Christ - justplay4fun, qbert68, archer3base
CHECK-M8 - mtamburini
Elsuper bano - King Edward 3rd
Killuminati19 - Gabsensei
King Edward 3rd - Elsuper bano


With 15 players in the game and 1 player missing it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in 8 days

[SiriusCowKing]

Counted, the results are:
akimaro but he said he had an injury, czar but he is supposed to pick up the pace soon, Mithridaties and Cump sherman for the lowest numbers of post.
Then we have Elsuper bano, Killuminati19 and qbert68 for medium participation.

Everyone else was high in the number of posts, I counted double posting as just 1. I will PM all of them but I will not crack down on them for not participating because it's not just them, everyone is participating quite few. Day 1 had 28 pages, day 2 only got 10 in 6 days.

[mtamburini]

Counted, the results are:
akimaro but he said he had an injury, czar but he is supposed to pick up the pace soon, Mithridaties and Cump sherman for the lowest numbers of post.
Then we have Elsuper bano, Killuminati19 and qbert68 for medium participation.

Everyone else was high in the number of posts, I counted double posting as just 1. I will PM all of them but I will not crack down on them for not participating because it's not just them, everyone is participating quite few. Day 1 had 28 pages, day 2 only got 10 in 6 days.

Thank you moo, your moding skills are greatly appreciated.

[DB4Christ]

Echo Moo! Thx!

[Killuminati19]

I can't provide a list of 4 because I have no clue who the mafia is. DB4 is moving down my list of suspects actually. ElSuper is trending up.
Who would I shoot? Well.....Tuffy for being annoying, but ElSuper if I had to pick my best guess for mafia.
Mtam would be a good one to save for providing a voice of reason.

[mtamburini]

I can't provide a list of 4 because I have no clue who the mafia is. DB4 is moving down my list of suspects actually. ElSuper is trending up.
Who would I shoot? Well.....Tuffy for being annoying, but ElSuper if I had to pick my best guess for mafia.
Mtam would be a good one to save for providing a voice of reason.

So do you or do you not have a list of possible mafia? You kinda contradicted yourself there...

[Killuminati19]

I did. I could give you a list if you want. It would be as useless as the others I've seen.

[Mithridaties]

I did. I could give you a list if you want. It would be as useless as the others I've seen.

Still i would be curious to see your list and cross reference it to the others, it could help me to see patterns

[mtamburini]

I did. I could give you a list if you want. It would be as useless as the others I've seen.

Still i would be curious to see your list and cross reference it to the others, it could help me to see patterns

Mith thank you for posting, what do you have to say in the matter of todays actions? And any info you can give kill is good right now. I will speak based on your last couple posts you are looking kind of scummy and wouldnt mind putting pressure on you right now.

The post that I quoted, I bolded the sections of contradiction in your post. Your following post did not help your case of making me believe you are not mafia.

Unovote and vote kill

[Killuminati19]

Mtam, I would invite you to bold sections that are "scummy" and declare why. This is precisely what I'm talking about. No one has a clue, and definitions of "scummy" make absolutely no sense. Once again, I am town. You want to make me Ragot 2.0? Be my guest. You will find the same result as before.

My list?
1.El Super (Doesn't talk much, adversarial)
2. Archer (Also quiet, and others are suspecting)
3. Mtam (Calling people scummy is downright scummy)
4. DB4 (Volunteered himself in day 1, but I am beginning to believe he is a townie)

[Killuminati19]

Vote El Super

[CHECK-M8]

vote Killuminati19

with a name like killuminati, how can ya not want to kill him ??

[SiriusCowKing]

Day 2 vote count:
archer3base - DB4Christ
DB4Christ - justplay4fun, qbert68, archer3base
Elsuper bano - King Edward 3rd, Killuminati19
Killuminati19 - Gabsensei, mtamburini, CHECK-M8
King Edward 3rd - Elsuper bano


With 15 players in the game and 1 player missing it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in 8 days

[Cump Sherman]

Say folks. I know it's been a while since I spoke up. Life has not been kind to me - between real problems to family members and holiday stress.
I'm doing OK but the family is not.
I've been here several times but could never get the time to absorb everything, so I just tried to quickly read to add comments. That doesn't work well so I've just listened and kept quiet.
Just a few thoughts while I'm here -
One is on Czar. I ran into him on his job at CC several days ago. Asked him to get away from his job and see you all. He did that and was blasted for not saying much more than a few words about Ragot. All that was my fault. I should have left him alone at CC.
Second - I am about to vote a lynch but will hold until Sirius get responses to his note on 'holding until January'.