[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm aways here , just separating the wheat from the chaff - and there seems to be allot of chaff so far

cool lets talk about something.

Got an opinion on cooldeals and what about mob daily?

So do you believe opinions are fact based? If not what would you do with the opinions?

[StorrZerg]

I'm aways here , just separating the wheat from the chaff - and there seems to be allot of chaff so far

cool lets talk about something.

Got an opinion on cooldeals and what about mob daily?

So do you believe opinions are fact based? If not what would you do with the opinions?

I find this question silly. VERY silly.
First part, is very generic and an obvious answer. No

Second part, simple. I use opinions to help myself solve the game of mafia.

Maybe i just have a different approach than what you are used to, but im a strong believer in opinions help to find alignment.

[Iron Butterfly]

Opinions are meaningless.
They are subjective. They mean different things to different people.

Please explain to me what type of opinions would help you determine someones alignment.

[StorrZerg]

Opinions are meaningless.
They are subjective. They mean different things to different people.

Please explain to me what type of opinions would help you determine someones alignment.

What is your deal?


Opinions are meaningless? then why do you play mafia LOL this game is about people pushing THEIR opinions onto other people. It is about lies, about truths, and figuring out the in between.

Opinions are Subjective, AND they DO mean different things to DIFFERENT people.

I'm not sure what you want from me in regards to "explaining how i play mafia" or why "opinions matter"
As for explaining how. i will try and do that when i give my reads on people.

I've been struggling quite a bit with your questioning, manly cause i think its more about definition, which leads me to think more about clutter.
Maybe you are getting somewhere with these questions, but i am not.

[virus90]

to answer some questions about my post, or most probably raise even more(note sarcasm please), since it seems sometimes staying quiet is better then reacting.

in reaction to

Spoiler

well for me not being around i would like to confirm what iamcaffeine said 2 posts above, Real life had a good swing at me so im bit inactive lately, trying to keep up but its hard. Thats why i read the day 1 jokevotes but did not contribute since in my opinion my jokevote was not nescesary for now, and not much in a joking spirit. So i read up today and will contribute to some of the questions asked and discussions going:

Have i seen the show?
Yes i have, episode 1 until the last one, basicly loved every minute of it (well some episodes where not that good, but you get the idea)

Did i play maffia before
Well i think im around in this forum since like, oktober? last year ? think i joined all games so im getting familiar with it and the players around, i atleast have started to develop a feeling with the players around.

some of my observations:
i like x-stor-x being around, had some doubtfull posts but think he is just general enthousiastic and much around, bit like anarkist as anarkist already said, and as anarkists sig says, i like that kind of playstyle, tend to have a bit of that myself aswell if i have more time at hand and less worries.
and why not share: so far my read on mob daily is town. based on gut feeling but hey why not share while im typing, ive been not posting so far so you guys deseve some intel to make up your minds or hang me now or later.

So post starts off with excuses, thats fine shit happens, can't say i liked that another person pointed it out and then virus you confirmed it. Mafia slip? doubtful. Moves on with answering some questions, but i'm just not getting anything from those questions. bleh



So now the good part, his reads. His first read is on myself, so from my opinion, it is pretty crappy of a read. The read itself is boarder line opinion (parts of it mimic others thought about "questionable posts from myself), and the only thing he seems to like me for is my "enthusiastic" approach to the game. Secondly, he likes the playstyle of myself and anarkist. Something anarkist all ready pointed out. So i conclude this read does not feel original, it does not feel like it adds anything new to this game.

Now we get to his last read, town read on a gut feeling. I can't get anything from this, which was all ready pointed out (regarding to the context)
So virus if you can explain more that would be great.
The line is what really bothers me

"and why not share" .... " but hey why not share while im typing, ive been not posting so far so you guys deseve some intel to make up your minds or hang me now or later"

This just feels weird. if you are town, why do you care in this manner? Just feels like a scummy mindset to say "hang me now or latter"

So for now, i think i have virus as one of my scummiest people.

your right my read on you does not add information, except for that i like it having people around that are active, i refence to the sig of anarkistsdream because it proves i find these players valuable, and i am not just saying that because others say something alike.

I shared a opinion / observation i made, and i think its clear that the general tone is ironic / sarcastic. I intended to get some reactions on it and see how people react to it, with the risk of people thinking its scummy or meaningless or anything and so voting on me so lynching me now, or the risk that he will flip maffia since im not sure at all he is town, its just a feeling, and when he flips maffia this message might be the reason for lynching me later.
one thing is for sure, i got the reactions

[StorrZerg]

ok, care to go a little further now that you got your reactions?

[iAmCaffeine]

ok, care to go a little further now that you got your reactions?

I'd rather see your reads before anyone else's.

[StorrZerg]

Well Caff ill give my read on you boy (or girl)

I'm also wondering if all roles will be PRs or some will just be named characters without any powers. I expect the latter but there's always the possibility. I've only played with Fircoal as the host so I've learnt to expect anything.

I would like to point out that virus and I are friends and in the same clan. That is why I was aware of his real life situations making him quiet everywhere, not just here. I am not buddying or pushing him; I posted as I didn't know when he would make an appearance.

Suspecting players of being scum because they lurk is not the best basis.

I have a townread or two at the moment, nothing more.

lurking with lack of content is bad. i disagree with you, i think it is great to push on in actives and get them to post their opinions on the game. If an inactive does not contribute to this game i think they should be lynched.
As for you having town reads that's great! I shouldn't have to beat you with a stick to get that information out. You giving your input and reads, can help lead to more discussion. So to say you have reads, and not give them, i dislike that. I tend to lean scum motivation for holding back on the read.

I don't have a FoS by the way. You've read too much into what I'm doing.

Oh I know you don't have a FOS on him [that been X-Stor-X] but in my head it came out with a sinistery, mafia-y, voice. And for the record, no I don't, read what everyone says aloud with different voices.

I know what I was saying could have sounded scummy. That's why I was giving both good and bad perspectives. Also, pushing slightly on X-Stor-X has given me more reads.

ok, so you have made a few posts on the fence. "could be this or that" "well this for town or this for mafia" you are not putting yourself out there. I find this is what scum tend to do. They like to present things, but to not actually contribute. Give an opinion, but not be rubbing against anyone else. I have no idea what you think about myself, because you keep presenting both sides with out saying what you think.

So my opinion on you iamcaffeine is neutral.

[StorrZerg]

forgot to add something in

"I'm also wondering if all roles will be PRs or some will just be named characters without any powers. I expect the latter but there's always the possibility. I've only played with Fircoal as the host so I've learnt to expect anything."

I don't like this question. This imo could be role fishing. I really don't see the benefit of this if we get to know the answer ON day 1. I see this as a bigger possibility of slips coming from continued talk about this question, and a negative impact.

[iAmCaffeine]

forgot to add something in

"I'm also wondering if all roles will be PRs or some will just be named characters without any powers. I expect the latter but there's always the possibility. I've only played with Fircoal as the host so I've learnt to expect anything."

I don't like this question. This imo could be role fishing. I really don't see the benefit of this if we get to know the answer ON day 1. I see this as a bigger possibility of slips coming from continued talk about this question, and a negative impact.

It is not role fishing. I almost added to that comment that I'm not role fishing but decided it wouldn't be necessary as nobody would be that stupid. Some of my other comments could be portrayed as being on the fence, or simply providing both perspectives. Interpret them to benefit you as much as you want.

I would rather lurkers/inactives are replaced, not lynched. That is a waste of a lynch and possibly killing of a valuable town role. Lynching them for being inactive is foolish, especially so early in the game.

My current townread is cooldeals. He has so far been consistent whilst a mixture of joke votes have been dumped on him.

My main scumread is you, especially given your OMGUS against me.

[StorrZerg]

forgot to add something in

"I'm also wondering if all roles will be PRs or some will just be named characters without any powers. I expect the latter but there's always the possibility. I've only played with Fircoal as the host so I've learnt to expect anything."

I don't like this question. This imo could be role fishing. I really don't see the benefit of this if we get to know the answer ON day 1. I see this as a bigger possibility of slips coming from continued talk about this question, and a negative impact.

It is not role fishing. I almost added to that comment that I'm not role fishing but decided it wouldn't be necessary as nobody would be that stupid. Some of my other comments could be portrayed as being on the fence, or simply providing both perspectives. Interpret them to benefit you as much as you want.

I would rather lurkers/inactives are replaced, not lynched. That is a waste of a lynch and possibly killing of a valuable town role. Lynching them for being inactive is foolish, especially so early in the game.

My current townread is cooldeals. He has so far been consistent whilst a mixture of joke votes have been dumped on him.

My main scumread is you, especially given your OMGUS against me.

and your second town read.

[StorrZerg]

if you need clarity iamcaffine, i said i have a neutral read on you yet because you are not putting your own reads out. Now you just posted 2 reads, a town and a scum. Great!

You have written quite a few posts with me in them, yet your biggest and only reason as of what i can see why you don't "like me" is OMGUS. tbh i don't like that term. I would rather you "spell out" why you think i'm scum.

As for your town read, has cooldeals made a post regarding someone that you liked? do you agree with a town read he has, a scum read? if so who?

[iAmCaffeine]

forgot to add something in

"I'm also wondering if all roles will be PRs or some will just be named characters without any powers. I expect the latter but there's always the possibility. I've only played with Fircoal as the host so I've learnt to expect anything."

I don't like this question. This imo could be role fishing. I really don't see the benefit of this if we get to know the answer ON day 1. I see this as a bigger possibility of slips coming from continued talk about this question, and a negative impact.

It is not role fishing. I almost added to that comment that I'm not role fishing but decided it wouldn't be necessary as nobody would be that stupid. Some of my other comments could be portrayed as being on the fence, or simply providing both perspectives. Interpret them to benefit you as much as you want.

I would rather lurkers/inactives are replaced, not lynched. That is a waste of a lynch and possibly killing of a valuable town role. Lynching them for being inactive is foolish, especially so early in the game.

My current townread is cooldeals. He has so far been consistent whilst a mixture of joke votes have been dumped on him.

My main scumread is you, especially given your OMGUS against me.

and your second town read.

I will choose not to share that for now. You try to get information from other people far too much compared to how much you share.

[StorrZerg]

Well surely you can share more about your opinion on me!

[iAmCaffeine]

Well surely you can share more about your opinion on me!

I don't see any need to. I have explained already.

[Anarkistsdream]

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

[StorrZerg]

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

o baby thanks for the warning

[betiko]

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

is it blue? and if it is who is your supplier?

[Anarkistsdream]

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

is it blue? and if it is who is your supplier?

All I know is they call him Heisenberg... I mean, it isn't like I hang out on street corners where kids ride their bikes

[rishaed]

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

is it blue? and if it is who is your supplier?

All I know is they call him Heisenberg... I mean, it isn't like I hang out on street corners where kids ride their bikes

How certain are you of that? I mean there is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle you know?

On to better things, First off, I like, Betiko, think that inactives are a decent route for D1 (not really for other days though), so Vote Flores. Second off Im somewhat on the fence about Rugbirn. He says in principle quantity over quality, and while I agree, I don't think that his recent posts are very informative, and disagree that one-liners can have decent quality.
I will say that X-Stor-x has been pretty benificially keeping the game moving on D1 which can become difficult, so props for that. Also deadline is March 4th, 1/2 weeks ish out? I feel that most have been pretty good about participation, but some are becoming lurking variables (got some stats in here )

[pancakemix]

X-stor, push their buttons, dude... PUSH THEIR BUTTONS!



No but seriously... You are playing the game a little too fast and loose. Jumping on everyone's back is just a way to get yourself lynched, regardless of your alignment.

And, on that note, I am gonna go smoke some meth.

Very true. I like how you're making things happen, but generally different playstyles don't go over well here at first blush, if you'll forgive the meta.

As far as what you've made happen, I wouldn't put a ton of stock in your cases. They're primarily on people who I don't know and, for better or worse, therefore assume don't have much experience (and I think the reality is that's fairly true). The most you could probably pursue there is who lashes out when backed into a corner, and even that doesn't indicate much knowing some of the personalities at play (again, forgive the meta).

But in the immortal words of Jesse Pinkman, "If you add a plus douchebag to a minus douchebag, you get like, zero douchebags". Or, in this case, two uncertainties cancel out. And right now IAmCaffeine fits that bill, considering his main scum read is an (ironic) OMGUS and he decided he wasn't going to share his second town read, which doesn't make a lot of sense for us given this early stage of the game because everything we can get is helpful right now, even if it is just conjecture.

Is that grounds for a vote? Not just yet, I think. But it's worth keeping an eye on for now.

[StorrZerg]

well mr pancakemix, what do you think of cooldeals or virus?

Or do you have a scum read on someone you would like to share?

[pancakemix]

well mr pancakemix, what do you think of cooldeals or virus?

Or do you have a scum read on someone you would like to share?

Insufficient data. Seems goodnatured, but that speaks to the poster and not of his posts. There's nothing to read but inactivity, if you choose to read that.

Town read. Definitely seems to be trying to help us make progress (see: the brief case on Rugbirn), perhaps a little offput (even suspicious) by your playstyle, which he sees as aggressive

My strongest scum read as of now is Caffeine. See above for that.

[strike wolf]

Flores has requested replacement.

[strike wolf]

Metsfanmax replaces Flores.