[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Metsfanmax]

But is that line of inquiry going to lead us anywhere?

I think it's more likely that mafia/third party would do that than town (especially for VT). But on the other hand, as you said, it's a pretty big risk for a mafia member to take.

[Rodion]

Not casting.

[StorrZerg]

Not casting.

ok

So i learned to play with fundamental differences than on CC obviously.

What i am used to, is if you fail to vote by dead line. Then you are mod killed or replaced / warned. IIRC the rule is enforced to keep the game active and make it so people can't just be "inactive and do nothing"

So, i was pretty sure this game would allow people to choose not to vote. (this just helps clarify)

I honestly do believe getting everyone to vote is GOOD for town. Even if you are unsure, everyone at this point imo should be getting some reads. Choosing to vote helps yourself take a stance on something, it helps people read you.

[Rugbirn]

unvote

I agree with you Mets. After reading and re-reading this whole Anark subplot and comments concerning it, there is still something that doesn't set well with me based on how it unfolded. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it shouldn't smell like a skunk.

vote AnarkistDream

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm with betiko; this bandwagon is pretty funny. I'll wait for superkeener to defend himself before making a decision.

[betiko]

sorry i just wanted to make a quick vote count to keep the record in case stuff change before strike posts an official one (hope i didn't forget anything) the deadline is approaching. super is actually at l-1 if we consider that with 5 votes you are dead.... and we've got till tomorrow.

Metsfanmax (1) rishaed
Anarchist (3) betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine
Betiko
x-stor-x (2) Nagerous, metsfan
nebuchadnezer (1)-Anarkist
Ironbutterfly
Superkeener (4) x-stor, iron butterfly, virus, neb
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

[StorrZerg]

CoolDeals, mob deadly, iamcaffeine, nebuchadnezer, Rodion, SuperKeener

have all not voted as well.

[superkeener]

So the TL DR version.
His manner of play has been very odd to me, he has no strong opinions about something, and is constantly contradicting himself. The posts do not feel fluid, they feel like forced and awkward. The way in which he tries to defend nark feels off. Specially with the quote at the end "nark could be any of these guys ( Badger, Skinny Pete, Combo, or Saul. ) and since he believes all those characters to be town, nark is town. The lack of talk regarding if Narks ACTIONS have been town or scum bothers me, and when he does talk about NARKS actions its always wishy washy and could or could not.

First off. In forum mafia, I do not think a TL DR (Too Long Didn’t Read) is ever a good thing to add. Everyone should read everything so there is no confusion.
You say I have contradicted myself, but where exactly? Also, I never tried to “defend” nark. I just stated my opinions on the entire scenario regarding him and his claim.
I still believe Nark is town. Thus, why I have yet to vote for him. Maybe nark has used “bad” play but I have yet to see anything tangible that identifies him as scum.

VOTE SUPERKEENER
I can support this case. As I said earlier I believe Anarchist is town.

I said that I think nark is town as well. And yet you vote me for thinking the same as you… strange.

This compels me to vote for you. Also, I understand that this might come off as a little OMGUS-ish but I do not even think you understand X-stor’s case on me. I think you are just looking for a last-minute bandwagon to jump on.

The other votes for me were also just based on x-stor’s reasoning that since basically I feel that nark is town, that makes me scum.

I do not have any solid leads on scum play right now except for how IB just votes for me even though we have the same opinion and with time running out, I feel this is the best place for me to throw my vote.

Vote Iron Butterfly.

[StorrZerg]

@Metsfanmax you may not like my case on superkeener. How ever it seems some people do like it. Any thoughts on the people hoping on? Virus or neb or iron?


(i got the non voters wrong, neb has voted so not him)

fp by super

[StorrZerg]

WHy is Anark town in your eyes? disregard his claim plz. (@super)

[Metsfanmax]

I think that IB is slightly scummy for hopping on, and virus to a lesser extent.

[betiko]

i find the wagon terribly oportunistic and probably scummy. I'm willing to reconsider my vote on nark. basically, I feel nark 70/30 town, so that 30% (for the big wifom) is worth checking.

I did not like how easy and fast the wagon on Super formed outof thin air. i'm not sure which of the 3 i'd rather go after... they probably wanted a fast case/claim to start other anark to have a last day choice.... and basically voting for any of them would be like doing exactly what i blame them to do lol.
kind of stuck here... should we ask super to claim then? that's another option...

[StorrZerg]

I think while he has pressure on him, it would be in the best interest for everyone to ask him questions. Claiming imo should be done more so as last resort for himself to not get lynched.

[superkeener]

WHy is Anark town in your eyes? disregard his claim plz. (@super)

His claim AND the way he acted after being pressured on it is why he comes across as town to me. If I disregarded his claim and all posts related to his claim, then I guess I would have only a neutral read on him.

[StorrZerg]

Super, do you agree or like any of his town reads? What about people he thinks are scum (anarks reads that is)

[MoB Deadly]

Finally here again. Tough weekend, I hope to be more active than I have been so far.
A whole lot of players to keep track of. Right now my "suspect" list has more names on it than my "town" list so that is kind of scary for me.
Some of the top players in my suspect list are now attacking each other, so I am hoping to pick a side as I write this post.

** My position/playstyle **
Yes top priority has to be lynch scum/evil 3rd party. However if there is no case on that, I am more than willing to lynch the least valuable person based on claims/votes.

ANARK

Spoiler

Warning: Long post!

First. WTF is Rugbirn doing here? Dude, you are a total distraction to this game. Are you even reading what you write? Please get it together...this is the type of play that WILL get you lynched. X-Stor-X is at least aggressive and has a point to his posting...you...not so much.

I agree with all your observations about narks VT claim, however, there is one thing that bothers me. Strike said that he assigned roles in the order of game sign-ups. Nark was actually the second to sign up. I have to wonder if (why) Strike actually assigned a VT (Badger? a minor role) to the second person, especially someone that is a veteran player......Thoughts?

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

Now on to Anarkistsdream...

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

A couple points from above ^

1. You quite clearly state that are NOT Badger. I'm sure you'll try to spin this somehow, but your post is pretty clear that you were not "saying I was badger."
2. I did not say I wanted to lynch you. I wanted your full claim. You can't come out with some cracked up VT claim that you breadcrumbed about, and then NOT give the full claim.

well to tell the truth it's the first time I ever hear the expression "to badger", so I guess it's not often used and that he could not have NOT thought of it... after talking about breadcrumbing. If you had written that post, wouldn't you have changed that verb with a synonym in order not to give a wrong clue?
Anyway, badger or combo, it's not very relevant. His "sin" isn't to be badger vs combo, it's to softclaim vt when he had so little pressure on his shoulders.

and to tell the truth I think I missed that part... did he say he got killed by a kid on a bike? I remember tha someone mentioned that sene here in the game, but I don't remember why and who..

Actually, it is very commonly used in my line of work... The term, that is...

Metsfan is the only one thinking all of this through, and for that, I say good on you, brother...

I have a strong suspicion that of the five people voting me, at least two of them will be scum, and, if enough townies are dumb enough to get behind the lynch of a vt, then they will be able to claim ignorance at a later time.

It is at this time that I finally start having reads on people, x-stor. See, before I can make decisions, I jave to give them something to talk/argue about. Just jumping on random people at the beginning doesn't work too well... As it stands, metsfan is most assuredly town, or is 3rd party with the towns best interests at heart.

Rugbirn, I think you are misinterpreting what Strike Wolf said about assigning roles. I also think Rugbirn is townish...

Pancake... It was a gambit on my part, but everyone was so fixated on x-stor that something epic had to be done to get the ball rolling. Another few days of that and we would have ended up having to rush lynch someone.

Now, of the five voting me, x-stor could just be as aggressive as I am, but he has been very overbearing all game, and it is easy to want to lynch the annoying person. TFO and I have not played much together, so I really have few reads on him. Betiko is town, I truly believe... Neb and Jonty both are.... well, the most likely scum on my wagon. They waited for several other votes to build up first, whih protects them from being accused of leading the wagon. They both basically said, we would rather lynch a VT then try to find scum, which is a super smart thing for mafia to do... Kill the VT during the day and look for PR at night... Remember, they know who is scum with them... At least their type of scum if there is a Fring/Cartel division.

Vote Neb

Next post...This is rather nice. It's a rather long one with lots of finger pointing going on...but it's essentially an OMGUS on anyone voting for you. Very nicely veiled, but still an OMGUS. Let's remember, you are the one with the half-claimed VT with a 2 vote pressure on you...You are the one who has been playing oddly quiet, and then suddenly coming up with a half VT claim when two people vote you. There surely could be mafia on your "wagon"...the percentages dictate that possibility...but percentages also dictate that I could name any 5 players and one of them are mafia. Your play was stupid and attracted attention. Votes were warranted. To come back with an OMGUS vote does you no favors.

Also Anark I think a full claim is inevitable from you. It seems you've already seen who has jumped on your wagon, may as well finish off the claim unless I missed it

Excellent catch on MoB...

And of course I am Badger... So, that makes me assume Skinny Pete is out there somewhere, too.

Next post from Anark...so NOW you ARE Badger? WTF...(scrolls back to top) Oh, yah, you said you were not Badger! But now you are...but wait...did you perchance...LIE?

Also, I love how you call what I did a "crime..."

Hahaha. Very subtle

Subtle indeed...I was just hoping for a name claim from you. But after looking at your actions and posts, I can't believe the rest of town is letting you get away with this crap. You can have "gut" feelings all you want about Anark, but he's had plenty of mistakes here. I'm at the point where I will continue to wonder if he is town or faking it, and just pulled the wool over our eyes.

So, I'm going to summarize...

1. Rugbirn is playing like a douche.
2. Anarkistsdream claims VT after two votes.
3. Anarkistsdream lies about his name claim.
4. Anarkistsdream OMGUSs anyone voting him.

My vote stays.

It seems I've missed a lot of interesting stuff. I don't have a whole lot of time right now, so here are my thoughts in brief:

1. I believe Nark is town-sided -- Disagree.

2. I still don't like how X-Stor-X pushes. He is trying to lead but I haven't really seen much benefit from it yet. As someone said earlier, he is pushing but doing it wrong to get decent reactions, and the majority of reactions he does get he doesn't find satisfactory. Disagree, it is Day1, how can you judge benefits when this game has JUST started????

3. Can we lynch Rugbirn? Town or not, he's a detriment. I agree he is a detriment at this point

So while I wasn t giving much credit to neb s acusation in the first place, (i remembered that anark was playing on words and saying he didn't softclaim badger, not that he isn t badger)
He did say that no clue was dropped regarding his nameclaim after that. How could it not be a clue when we all immediately thought the same thing, and a few posts later nark confirms he is badger?
It doesn t add up.

It really does not add up.

As far as my opinion, I tend to believe Nark because nobody could be THAT stupid to fakeclaim VT with 1-2 votes on him. To me, it makes SOME sense to claim VT early because you can always say you opted for it to get the game moving forward, while if you claim VT at -1, you're dead. For Nark to do so as mafia, he either entered the top 10 worst CC mafia plays (if we lynch him for his weird play) or the top 10 craftiest mafia plays (for predicting we'd WIFOM that into thinking he is town). I don't think either is the case.

This however, is a good defense for Anark


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Virus90 - Also a top candidate for me for Day 1 today. Weak play so far and quick to bandwagon on superkeener
Rugbirn - wwttfff??? I am ready to lynch this guy as well. Seems to be clueless and hurting town more than helping. The only thing I have liked was his last post. I respect his vote onto Anark. (Could be self preservation though)

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Outside of top 3 IGMEO.............
Iron Butterfly - didnt like his vote on superkeener, and didnt like another post of his I gotta look it back up. I DO think he is mafia every single game we play together though
iamcaffeine - He has said some things I do not like as well.
Rodion - very hard to read at this point - I hope he gets his internet back soon. His lack of voting does not help me get a read.
TFO - Is he around
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Metsfanmex - I HAD some bad vibes on him as others have said, but then he came back out with a good post and I am getting town feels at this point.
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Everyone else I have a neutral read on. There are some players I am getting town vibes on, but I am going to hold onto that information for now until past Day 1.

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Deadline within 24 hours.. I definitely think Anarchist > Superkeener. I disagree with xstor right now on superkeener and would like to get superkeener chatting/voting more.
Anarchist
1. Claimed with pretty much no reason. (Failed to give town information by letting a wagon build)
2. Softclaimed - then lied, then claimed.
3. I have read his posts and his posts do not stick out as strong contributions.

As I quoted above. Nothing he has done so far has added up as pro-town in my eyes.
I feel like we do have an instance where scum/3rd party "botched" their claim miserably.
If I am wrong, then we lose a VT with no powers.
Very low risk, high reward. I will take that for Day 1.

I would have loved to get 2 claims on Day 1 with an 18 player game, but this is still satisfactory in my eyes
Vote Anarchist

fastposted twice

[MoB Deadly]

Whoops. I rearranged my post, and I did not explain why I have Nebs case on Anarchist quoted up top. Pretty much I agree with his case/analysis. Almost everything Neb says there I agree with. That really convinced my vote before I read the rest of the day.

The Superkeener event happened after, and is worth noting/pressuring tomorrow. But I dont think we have enough time to drive on that today. I would rather avoid it for now rather than making Superkeener claim. Ideally I would pick someone suspect prior to their vote on superkeener.

VIRUS would be a perfect candidate for second claim, but we will never get that with a deadline looming.

[MoB Deadly]

Everyone else I have a neutral read on. There are some players I am getting town vibes on, but I am going to hold onto that information for now until past Day 1.

I changed my mind, I will do a full analysis today since I havent been posting much:

SCUMMY:
Anarchist
Virus90 (noobish?)


SLIGHTLY SCUMMY:
Rugbirn (but not a good townie right now)
Ironbutterfly (I have a strong mafia bias towards IB)
Rodion
iAmCaffeine
Theforgivenone

NO CLUE:
Nagerous
Cooldeals
Superkeener
Metsfanmax (scummy then townish, need to revisit)
x-stor-x (Leader)

TOWN (Makes posts I agree with)
Pancake
Betiko (I have a strong town bias towards betiko)
nebuchadnezer -- I like
Jonty125 -- I like
Rishaed -- I like

[MoB Deadly]

I would put Rugbirn up on scummy list for blatant role fishing on virus....
Has nagerous been posting? I usually see his Purple color standing out, but I dont recall much of his posts

sorry for the quadpost. This is typical of me. But I would rather talk than save information, ESPECIALLLY when I have been much less active than I have hoped so far.

[StorrZerg]

don't say sorry, happy to see the activity

and since you are around right now.


Personally i don't like list post. Easy to do as any alignment + leaves out a lot of thought process behind why you think the way you do about someone.


So this is in regards to mets. what made you change your mind about him? What in particular made him green in your eyes.

[strike wolf]

Alright weekend turned out to be a bit of a bigger distraction than I expected but back now.

Official Vote Count

Metsfanmax
Anarchist (4)-betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob deadly
Virus90 (1)-Pancake
Rodion
Pancake
Cooldeals
Mob Deadly
Nagerous
Theforgivenone
iAmCaffeine
Betiko
x-stor-x (2)-Nagerous, Metsfanmax
nebuchadnezer (1)-Anarkist
Ironbutterfly (1)-Superkeener
Superkeener (4)-x-stor, iron butterfly, Virus, neb
Rugbirn
Jonty125
Rishaed

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Tuesday, March 4th in 1 day. The soft deadline is noon EST but likely I won't be able to get around to a scene until later (after 3 pm). Reminder anyone 5+ votes with the most at the end of the day will be lynched. As of right now, no one would be lynched upon reaching deadline.

[cooldeals]

With the deadline showing up in two days, we need to decide about lynching. The breaking point is five votes, therefor I believe we can get a lynch off today, and maybe another claim. However I think its getting a bit to late in a day (unless we are all on) to get another claim without effectively lynching whoever we choose to get a claim from. I don't have any strong scum reads, some town reads. Rugbirn is obviously new from his posts, to these forums and CCMafia, but that doesn't justify lynching him. My best lead is Mets with his lynching the annoying one comment. Vote Mets. Rugbirn deserves a bit more time/advice before I'll support lynching him, and he is nowhere near disruptive to a game as Yomiel ever was from what i've seen from the Archives.

I've talked to Mets in live chat a decent amount considered this and even his vote on X-Stor just his personality and humor. I imagine there is some sarcasm as well as dislike in it. But in any case I see this as something a Town Mets would say, rather than a scummy Mets trying to pressure a Townie.

I guess my biggest thing is are we certain enough that he wasn't joking to lynch him? It seems like someone could jump on him for this even if he was joking to protect themselves. There's nothing like a decent reason to explain why you voted Town for scum to hide behind. Because of this I went through some of rishaed's posts through the game.

I will say that X-Stor-x has been pretty benificially keeping the game moving on D1 which can become difficult, so props for that.

So rishaed is happy with X-Stor-x play, as I think several of us are to keep the game moving

But then he goes and FOS X-Stor-x

Spoiler

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone. I picked anark from the group, because i felt i was going to get a reaction from him. He was at the top of the list of "vets". I was sure pressuring him would cause a reaction out of him and others.

And i am bothered by his post. I don't see your quote in black and white the way you present it.

We will see how it pans out. Your excessive outrage at my tactics though...well, it makes you either 1) look like you are such a townie that you can't believe it (which generally makes you scum) or 2) look naïve...

Your pick, bro.

The only thing that matters is that, in the end, town wins, no matter what characters or players are left alive.

It just feels Really weird.

and directed at Anarkistsdream
You knew your role, why have you not tired to take a bigger lead in town? To try and take a shot from mafia to save a PR? And i don't want the excuses that "it is hard to talk cause Stor posts so much" This isn't real life where everyone is shouting over each other, you have the freedom to post who you think is scum and town. I really don't have an idea of what you want to do. It just feels like "welp imma claim and that will be that"

This just rubs me wrong right now, I could be off, but this and the

the pressure was not intent for a claim.

don't fit right. D1 voting people is always initially with the intent of claiming. Isn't that one of the main two functions of voting? (Lynch/Pressure for claim?) Sure you can say that he was acting scummy, but unless you've got a cop result or a really solid case (neither of which usually happens on D1), the pressure is for a claim to benefit town information wise, you analyze the claim and you go from there.
However Nark softclaiming on two votes seems weird as well.
FOS Nark, FOS X-Stor

So it seems he is now suspicious of X-Stor, but then when Mets verbally spars with him for being annoying he jumps on Mets who has no votes with the deadline he has mentioned multiple times coming up. This just seems off to me for several reasons.

a) His changing position on X-Stor
b) The Mets case doesn't seem to hold water to me
c) He references the deadline many times and then goes down a rabbit trail with Mets

I'll post again soon with a vote and more discussion. I think this late in the deadline and all we have is a half-claim is not good for Town.

[StorrZerg]

lets say 3 people have 5 lynches on them end of day 1. will all 3 of those people be lynched?

[strike wolf]

Sorry I meant to include that. In case of a tie, it will be the first to receive 5 votes.

[MoB Deadly]

So this is in regards to mets. what made you change your mind about him? What in particular made him green in your eyes.

Sure..

His beginning posts were mostly quick 1 liners, or flavor speculation. Active but not really active posts.
Headbutting with you is neutral to me.

superkeener perhaps? His main contribution over the last few pages has been an awful misread of a post.

He was notably against superkeener.

If there are no strong cases on D1, I would be tempted to lynch the annoying one.

Then he got really scummy for me. Why not go for the VT? Seems like he wanted to headbutt with you more, so that his vote would be irrelevant for Day 1.

Then he votes you, even though, with this amount of time available theres no point to do that. This is equal to not voting for me. Even if you flip scum, it will not hold much water for his townness.

BUT THEN... you play towards his wishes and generate a "case" on someone he already said he suspects. If he was scum he would follow I think.
He doesnt, calls out your case as BS. (Could be attributed to more headbutting though)

Calls out bandwagoners on Superkeener.

I like this because I am against the superkeener case as well. I dont think it is substantial and more importantly THERE WAS NO DEBATE. There are quite a few wagoners who were just like "uhhh - I agree" and voted.... WTF is that? Did they NOT have 1 single extra thing they found suspect about superkeener before voting? Or are they just sheeping to the most active player.

That is scummy, and mets calling them out, gives me a town vibe. He is pobably the only one who went from scummy -> town today in my book.