[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Nebuchadnezer]

And wtf is this vote on X-stor right before???????

I strongly agree with Anarchist that there will be mafia within those 5 names on his wagon.

I also agree that the use of the word crime to describe claiming with only two votes is an accurate description. Crime is used as an adjective to describe the offense in my mind. It is not actually a crime per say. If Anarchist is who he says, which in my opinion he is, then I also believe the mafia voting have a safe enough cover to vote him.

Actually its a pretty smart move if he is Town and who he says. A VT is usually cannon fodder with a vote. A smart VT will also soft claim a PR to draw fire and take a night hit.

With Mob I could go either way. I have been in his position where I check CC but am overwhelmed by games that have gotten ahead of me.

I think Anarchist is on to something. Before I vote I wanna reread.

In addition he suspects the people that voted for anarchist which I completely disagree. If Anarchist flips scum, this pretty much leaves IB dead to rights.....

I would swtich to IB right now if we didnt have less than 24 hours. Cannot risk a no lynch at this point.

Mob...I hope you didn't read that UNVOTE as a VOTE? It caught me initially as usually you don't put a name if you are UNVOTING. But I'm not sure why that's a big deal.

And F%#@ all of you who call my case shit and are now voting Anarkistsdream. I don't know if any of you who are voting did call it crap, but it frustrates me that I put the best case of the day together and got laughed at for it. Yet, he will now get lynched, and I don't even get credit for the case...well, if he IS town, I guess I don't want credit.

I got on Superkeener, because I wanted another claim. Rolefishing? No. More like claim-fishing. I wanted something else to judge Anark and future claims by. Even if we get a PR, we should have plenty of power to protect him. I did buy into X-Stor's case that he was noncommittal and not adding anything while casting plenty of doubt all over.

I think Anark's fate has been sealed, so let's see what it brings...

[Anarkistsdream]

I promise, Neb... You will want to distance yourself, friend... This isn't what I hoped would happen with my tactics, but... eh... I have never been alive at end game, so why start now...? Haha

[pancakemix]

So all we have to do now is copy/paste someone else's case on someone and we can get a wagon to come back? That's disconcerting. Especially considering the length at which we discussed how much of an awful play it would be were he scum.

As far as my opinion, I tend to believe Nark because nobody could be THAT stupid to fakeclaim VT with 1-2 votes on him. To me, it makes SOME sense to claim VT early because you can always say you opted for it to get the game moving forward, while if you claim VT at -1, you're dead. For Nark to do so as mafia, he either entered the top 10 worst CC mafia plays (if we lynch him for his weird play) or the top 10 craftiest mafia plays (for predicting we'd WIFOM that into thinking he is town). I don't think either is the case.

This however, is a good defense for Anark ...that I don't have a response to.

I still think Virus is a far better choice for a lynch, considering all he did since my previous post was come in and join a bandwagon. As opposed to Nark, who we had moved away from.

Because i now go with the assumption that x-stor-x is town i will join his vote on superkeener. and in my opinion the best day 1 case yet. But well day 1 cases are always based on interpretation and assumption so kind of weak. But we need a lynch (=information) and well i rather not have it be me.
Vote superkeener

I'd also point out that Rugbirn put a vote on Nark while ducking behind Mets to make it seem more legit.

unvote

I agree with you Mets. After reading and re-reading this whole Anark subplot and comments concerning it, there is still something that doesn't set well with me based on how it unfolded. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it shouldn't smell like a skunk.

vote AnarkistDream

I would say either of those two would have been a better choice, but I'm figuring it's probably too late. Good starting points for tomorrow, I suppose.

[pancakemix]

I would say either of those two would have been a better choice, but I'm figuring it's probably too late. Good starting points for tomorrow, I suppose.

Scratch that last bit, as I had assumed the deadline was at midnight ET tonight (I probably shouldn't do that).

[rishaed]

With the deadline showing up in two days, we need to decide about lynching. The breaking point is five votes, therefor I believe we can get a lynch off today, and maybe another claim. However I think its getting a bit to late in a day (unless we are all on) to get another claim without effectively lynching whoever we choose to get a claim from. I don't have any strong scum reads, some town reads. Rugbirn is obviously new from his posts, to these forums and CCMafia, but that doesn't justify lynching him. My best lead is Mets with his lynching the annoying one comment. Vote Mets. Rugbirn deserves a bit more time/advice before I'll support lynching him, and he is nowhere near disruptive to a game as Yomiel ever was from what i've seen from the Archives.

I've talked to Mets in live chat a decent amount considered this and even his vote on X-Stor just his personality and humor. I imagine there is some sarcasm as well as dislike in it. But in any case I see this as something a Town Mets would say, rather than a scummy Mets trying to pressure a Townie.

I guess my biggest thing is are we certain enough that he wasn't joking to lynch him? It seems like someone could jump on him for this even if he was joking to protect themselves. There's nothing like a decent reason to explain why you voted Town for scum to hide behind. Because of this I went through some of rishaed's posts through the game.

I will say that X-Stor-x has been pretty benificially keeping the game moving on D1 which can become difficult, so props for that.

So rishaed is happy with X-Stor-x play, as I think several of us are to keep the game moving

But then he goes and FOS X-Stor-x

Spoiler

I really don't see reason to change from Anark yet. As for others i would be ok with lynching. Pretty much anyone with under 5 posts that has not voiced an opinion regarding if they like or dislike someone. I picked anark from the group, because i felt i was going to get a reaction from him. He was at the top of the list of "vets". I was sure pressuring him would cause a reaction out of him and others.

And i am bothered by his post. I don't see your quote in black and white the way you present it.

We will see how it pans out. Your excessive outrage at my tactics though...well, it makes you either 1) look like you are such a townie that you can't believe it (which generally makes you scum) or 2) look naïve...

Your pick, bro.

The only thing that matters is that, in the end, town wins, no matter what characters or players are left alive.

It just feels Really weird.

and directed at Anarkistsdream
You knew your role, why have you not tired to take a bigger lead in town? To try and take a shot from mafia to save a PR? And i don't want the excuses that "it is hard to talk cause Stor posts so much" This isn't real life where everyone is shouting over each other, you have the freedom to post who you think is scum and town. I really don't have an idea of what you want to do. It just feels like "welp imma claim and that will be that"

This just rubs me wrong right now, I could be off, but this and the

the pressure was not intent for a claim.

don't fit right. D1 voting people is always initially with the intent of claiming. Isn't that one of the main two functions of voting? (Lynch/Pressure for claim?) Sure you can say that he was acting scummy, but unless you've got a cop result or a really solid case (neither of which usually happens on D1), the pressure is for a claim to benefit town information wise, you analyze the claim and you go from there.
However Nark softclaiming on two votes seems weird as well.
FOS Nark, FOS X-Stor

So it seems he is now suspicious of X-Stor, but then when Mets verbally spars with him for being annoying he jumps on Mets who has no votes with the deadline he has mentioned multiple times coming up. This just seems off to me for several reasons.

a) His changing position on X-Stor
b) The Mets case doesn't seem to hold water to me
c) He references the deadline many times and then goes down a rabbit trail with Mets

I'll post again soon with a vote and more discussion. I think this late in the deadline and all we have is a half-claim is not good for Town.

Sure the Mets case doesn't hold water for you, you know his personality on CC better. As for X-stor its D1, and I rarely have such strong feels on someone that I can't change my mind. Sure i went down a rabbit trail on Mets, but at that point in time I felt like we had at least time for one claim. That is hardly true now. unvote. Like many other people have said, a lynch is the most beneficial. I'll be awake for awhile now so I'll be debating with myself how much Nark is worth if lynched right now and vise versa. A Superkeener lynch without a claim, doesn't sit well with me so I won't go that down that route currently. Like MoB said, it might be worth looking into tomorrow, but not today.

[rishaed]

I promise, Neb... You will want to distance yourself, friend... This isn't what I hoped would happen with my tactics, but... eh... I have never been alive at end game, so why start now...? Haha

Weird.....very weird. However I doubt that Nark, would be so stupid as to incriminate a buddy of his with his "last" post, but I still don't like it. vote Nark. WCS a VT. BCS Scum. Truth ???

[iAmCaffeine]

I like how IB is getting insulting and more aggressive to defend himself. Maybe that's how he always plays, I don't know. If not, it's an obvious scumtell. My vote doesn't change.

But the OMGUS is ok? Is there a reason you do not mention it? The wagon started with an OMGUS vote on me and that's ok in your book it seems.

OMGUS aren't always bad. What have you done that's pro town? You just get insulting when someone says something you disagree with. I also don't recall you doing anything proactive, just reactive. If I'm wrong please show me.

[betiko]

I like how IB is getting insulting and more aggressive to defend himself. Maybe that's how he always plays, I don't know. If not, it's an obvious scumtell. My vote doesn't change.

But the OMGUS is ok? Is there a reason you do not mention it? The wagon started with an OMGUS vote on me and that's ok in your book it seems.

OMGUS aren't always bad. What have you done that's pro town? You just get insulting when someone says something you disagree with. I also don't recall you doing anything proactive, just reactive. If I'm wrong please show me.

what's so blasphematory about OMGUS votes anyway? that's the most human reaction. You attack me, I attack back. That is what anyone does in life. How can people build cases with OMGUS? you can just say that a case against you is pure OMGUS, but you can't start a case with that, doesn't make sense.

[MoB Deadly]

I like how IB is getting insulting and more aggressive to defend himself. Maybe that's how he always plays, I don't know. If not, it's an obvious scumtell. My vote doesn't change.

It is his playstyle. I had a bad fight with him in a previous game. I forget the details but we were both town and it was ugly.

I've had bad experiences with scum reads on IB and mets in the past.

Me too, I always think hes scum, then his reaction makes me think he is scum even more.

Mob...I hope you didn't read that UNVOTE as a VOTE? It caught me initially as usually you don't put a name if you are UNVOTING. But I'm not sure why that's a big deal.

I did NOT see that. You are right. my fault. I thought he voted xstor, and then 2 days later voted WITH xstor

So all we have to do now is copy/paste someone else's case on someone and we can get a wagon to come back? That's disconcerting. Especially considering the length at which we discussed how much of an awful play it would be were he scum.

As far as my opinion, I tend to believe Nark because nobody could be THAT stupid to fakeclaim VT with 1-2 votes on him. To me, it makes SOME sense to claim VT early because you can always say you opted for it to get the game moving forward, while if you claim VT at -1, you're dead. For Nark to do so as mafia, he either entered the top 10 worst CC mafia plays (if we lynch him for his weird play) or the top 10 craftiest mafia plays (for predicting we'd WIFOM that into thinking he is town). I don't think either is the case.

This however, is a good defense for Anark ...that I don't have a response to.

It is completely WIFOM. Yes better WIFOM than most, but still WIFOM.

And again, here are my driving factors

Anarchist
1. Claimed with pretty much no reason. (Failed to give town information by letting a wagon build)
2. Softclaimed - then lied, then claimed.
3. I have read his posts and his posts do not stick out as strong contributions.

As I quoted above. Nothing he has done so far has added up as pro-town in my eyes.
I feel like we do have an instance where scum/3rd party "botched" their claim miserably.
If I am wrong, then we lose a VT with no powers.
Very low risk, high reward. I will take that for Day 1.

I would have loved to get 2 claims on Day 1 with an 18 player game, but this is still satisfactory in my eyes
Vote Anarchist

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[StorrZerg]

gregwolf i see you are reading thread? mind putting down some thoughts before the day ends?

[Rugbirn]

Pancake,
I agreed with Mets analysis, I wasn't hiding behind anyone. Like I said before, I think virus and Anark are of the same scum clan (as I think there are two), so I wouldn't mind changing my vote to virus, but I haven't seen convincing evidence to do that, as yet.

[StorrZerg]

So can we still use this time to discuss till strike makes the post?

[Rugbirn]

Sure, I'm listening

[strike wolf]

Day can keep going until I officially end it which won't be for another couple hours because I simply don't have the time to work on it right this second.

[Rugbirn]

I might point out, that you will need to convince more than myself. Since the last vote count, Rishead has also voted Nark - so now he has six votes.

[betiko]

Pancake,
I agreed with Mets analysis, I wasn't hiding behind anyone. Like I said before, I think virus and Anark are of the same scum clan (as I think there are two), so I wouldn't mind changing my vote to virus, but I haven't seen convincing evidence to do that, as yet.

The evidence being that nark has a signature quoting virus since over a year, I think it s really convincing

[StorrZerg]

I seriously doubt there are 3 people here active.

+ any person we pressure (for that person to be here) Best thing to do at this time imo, is talk more.

Personally i felt the replacement was weird. I called him out for not posting in 5 days, and he responds to that post within 5 mins and is replaced.
Now the replacement Gregwolf121 only had so much time to do anything. Understandable. But he has been lurking and choosing to not even say hi. I find this pretty strange.

[StorrZerg]

Does virus play like this normally? And by this i mean, pretty inactive, and then latching onto someone he thinks is town and voting with that person?

[gregwolf121]

conform, i will reread and post more when i actually know what has happened

[StorrZerg]

i think it would be time efficient if you just read one or a few persons posts (i'd say not mine since i have several pages) and give your opinion.

[Rodion]

I promise, Neb... You will want to distance yourself, friend... This isn't what I hoped would happen with my tactics, but... eh... I have never been alive at end game, so why start now...? Haha

Weird.....very weird. However I doubt that Nark, would be so stupid as to incriminate a buddy of his with his "last" post, but I still don't like it. vote Nark. WCS a VT. BCS Scum. Truth ???

You misinterpreted. Nark said Neb will want to distance himself from having pushed for Nark's mislynch.

[Metsfanmax]

i think it would be time efficient if you just read one or a few persons posts (i'd say not mine since i have several pages) and give your opinion.

That is not a good strategy. We should not be pressuring anyone to jump into the game two hours before the deadline and then give a meaningful opinion on what has happened so far. You need the whole thread for context.

[StorrZerg]

so you would prefer him to not give anything before day 2?

I would rather him try and give something before the deadline, even if it does not include the entire first day. And if you have noticed from my postings, he has been around many more than 2 hours.

[Metsfanmax]

so you would prefer him to not give anything before day 2?

No, but at this point it's the lesser of all evils.

I would rather him try and give something before the deadline, even if it does not include the entire first day. And if you have noticed from my postings, he has been around many more than 2 hours.

He wasn't necessarily reading this thread. But we can certainly push him on that in D2 if you want. It's not enough to go on right now.

[StorrZerg]

IM not pushing for a instant last second vote switch on him. All im asking for his for him to give SOME input on this game.

I strongly disagree with you mets, and this is just on game mechanics i feel and has nothing to do with you being scum or town.