[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[virus90]

Ok i wanted to point this out, the last words of nebudchanezer:

And F%#@ all of you who call my case shit and are now voting Anarkistsdream. I don't know if any of you who are voting did call it crap, but it frustrates me that I put the best case of the day together and got laughed at for it. Yet, he will now get lynched, and I don't even get credit for the case...well, if he IS town, I guess I don't want credit.

I got on Superkeener, because I wanted another claim. Rolefishing? No. More like claim-fishing. I wanted something else to judge Anark and future claims by. Even if we get a PR, we should have plenty of power to protect him. I did buy into X-Stor's case that he was noncommittal and not adding anything while casting plenty of doubt all over.

I think Anark's fate has been sealed, so let's see what it brings...

Well that got me reading back of which i left my notes in the spoiler, its a shitload of text. dont bother reading if you dont want to, these are my brief notes, on which i am forming an opinion, but you can skip all the text and just read the outcome if you want to save 10 minutes of your life.

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the case nebud mentions is on page 23, at this point these people where voting him: Anarchist (4)-x-stor, betiko, Nebuchadnezer, Jonty125

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Warning: Long post!

First. WTF is Rugbirn doing here? Dude, you are a total distraction to this game. Are you even reading what you write? Please get it together...this is the type of play that WILL get you lynched. X-Stor-X is at least aggressive and has a point to his posting...you...not so much.

I agree with all your observations about narks VT claim, however, there is one thing that bothers me. Strike said that he assigned roles in the order of game sign-ups. Nark was actually the second to sign up. I have to wonder if (why) Strike actually assigned a VT (Badger? a minor role) to the second person, especially someone that is a veteran player......Thoughts?

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

Now on to Anarkistsdream...

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

A couple points from above ^

1. You quite clearly state that are NOT Badger. I'm sure you'll try to spin this somehow, but your post is pretty clear that you were not "saying I was badger."
2. I did not say I wanted to lynch you. I wanted your full claim. You can't come out with some cracked up VT claim that you breadcrumbed about, and then NOT give the full claim.

well to tell the truth it's the first time I ever hear the expression "to badger", so I guess it's not often used and that he could not have NOT thought of it... after talking about breadcrumbing. If you had written that post, wouldn't you have changed that verb with a synonym in order not to give a wrong clue?
Anyway, badger or combo, it's not very relevant. His "sin" isn't to be badger vs combo, it's to softclaim vt when he had so little pressure on his shoulders.

and to tell the truth I think I missed that part... did he say he got killed by a kid on a bike? I remember tha someone mentioned that sene here in the game, but I don't remember why and who..

Actually, it is very commonly used in my line of work... The term, that is...

Metsfan is the only one thinking all of this through, and for that, I say good on you, brother...

I have a strong suspicion that of the five people voting me, at least two of them will be scum, and, if enough townies are dumb enough to get behind the lynch of a vt, then they will be able to claim ignorance at a later time.

It is at this time that I finally start having reads on people, x-stor. See, before I can make decisions, I jave to give them something to talk/argue about. Just jumping on random people at the beginning doesn't work too well... As it stands, metsfan is most assuredly town, or is 3rd party with the towns best interests at heart.

Rugbirn, I think you are misinterpreting what Strike Wolf said about assigning roles. I also think Rugbirn is townish...

Pancake... It was a gambit on my part, but everyone was so fixated on x-stor that something epic had to be done to get the ball rolling. Another few days of that and we would have ended up having to rush lynch someone.

Now, of the five voting me, x-stor could just be as aggressive as I am, but he has been very overbearing all game, and it is easy to want to lynch the annoying person. TFO and I have not played much together, so I really have few reads on him. Betiko is town, I truly believe... Neb and Jonty both are.... well, the most likely scum on my wagon. They waited for several other votes to build up first, whih protects them from being accused of leading the wagon. They both basically said, we would rather lynch a VT then try to find scum, which is a super smart thing for mafia to do... Kill the VT during the day and look for PR at night... Remember, they know who is scum with them... At least their type of scum if there is a Fring/Cartel division.

Vote Neb

Next post...This is rather nice. It's a rather long one with lots of finger pointing going on...but it's essentially an OMGUS on anyone voting for you. Very nicely veiled, but still an OMGUS. Let's remember, you are the one with the half-claimed VT with a 2 vote pressure on you...You are the one who has been playing oddly quiet, and then suddenly coming up with a half VT claim when two people vote you. There surely could be mafia on your "wagon"...the percentages dictate that possibility...but percentages also dictate that I could name any 5 players and one of them are mafia. Your play was stupid and attracted attention. Votes were warranted. To come back with an OMGUS vote does you no favors.

Also Anark I think a full claim is inevitable from you. It seems you've already seen who has jumped on your wagon, may as well finish off the claim unless I missed it

Excellent catch on MoB...

And of course I am Badger... So, that makes me assume Skinny Pete is out there somewhere, too.

Next post from Anark...so NOW you ARE Badger? WTF...(scrolls back to top) Oh, yah, you said you were not Badger! But now you are...but wait...did you perchance...LIE?

Also, I love how you call what I did a "crime..."

Hahaha. Very subtle

Subtle indeed...I was just hoping for a name claim from you. But after looking at your actions and posts, I can't believe the rest of town is letting you get away with this crap. You can have "gut" feelings all you want about Anark, but he's had plenty of mistakes here. I'm at the point where I will continue to wonder if he is town or faking it, and just pulled the wool over our eyes.

So, I'm going to summarize...

1. Rugbirn is playing like a douche.
2. Anarkistsdream claims VT after two votes.
3. Anarkistsdream lies about his name claim.
4. Anarkistsdream OMGUSs anyone voting him.

My vote stays.

he had already voted few hours before feb 28 my local time

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I like the setup talk as well, however it is all speculation at this point. We will continue to put the pieces together. However, a tentative foundation of possible roles is also a plus.

To mod: Is there anyway we can get a post count or something similar so we can see the inactives to get the proddings started?

Asking the mod for a post count? Do it yourself.

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

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so who joined after him? and what where the reactions? page 24 onwards: my short summary of posts.

pancakemix basicly said: " but since your remaining case is largely based on him flip-flopping on claiming Badger, I don't know that it holds water."
rishead dodged the case focused grammer/meaning technicalitys
I am caffeine: "i Believe Nark is townsided
superkeener basicly says: i think he is Saul, maybe badger, maybe skiny pete, maybe a combo (my personal short version of his post)
xstorx says all should vote before monday
medsfanmax says: ok i vote you.
rishead votes medsfanmax because of his "snippy comment"
xstor x makes a case changing to superkeener
pancakemix "votes"virus (deliberately does not unvote jokevote = voting in my opinion)
IB votes superkeener
virus votes superkeener
nebudchanazer changes vote to superkeener
metsfanmax: xstorx case is awfull
betiko: "this superkeener wageon is quitte funny"
rodion: believes nark is town
(page 26 by now)
rugbirn: votes anarkistdream
iamcaffeine: the wagon on superkeener is funny

vote count at that point:
Superkeener (4) x-stor, iron butterfly, virus, neb
Anarchist (3) betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn

superkeener: i believe nark is town, votes IB
betiko: on the superkeener wagon "i find the wagon terribly oportunistic and probably scummy."
mob deadly: vote Anarkist
mod deadly makes a list with scummy / good people (page 27) - me and anarkist scummy, rugbirn somewhat. mod deadly points out not liking superkeener bandwagon
cooldeals - votes anarkist
iamcaffeine: vote IB
anarkist point out we are wasting time quoting eachothers refernces as agreeing to it. with the 2 bandwagons (page 28)
jonty: my vote stays anarkist
anarkist: vote jonty
metsfanmax: I plan to push on IB pretty hard for his scummy bandwagoning onto the superkeener case
xstorx votes virus (me)
TFO vote IB

votecount:
Anarkist (5)-betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob deadly, cooldeals
Ironbutterfly (3)-Superkeener, iamcaffeine, Theforgivenone
Superkeener (3)-iron butterfly, Virus, neb

rishead votes anarkist
pancakemix: i still think virus is a far better choice for a lynch, points out rugbirn is also scummy
mob deadly: stresses why he votes anarkist
xstorx point out gregwolf lurking but not saying anything
metsfanmax and xstorx discuss mets opinion of superkeener wagon scummy

final vote count:

Anarkist (6)-betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob deadly, cooldeals, Rishaed
Ironbutterfly (3)-Superkeener, iamcaffeine, Theforgivenone
Superkeener (3)-iron butterfly, Virus, neb
Virus90 (2)-Pancake, x-stor
x-stor-x (2)-Nagerous, Metsfanmax
Jonty125 (1)-Anarkist

ok on the notes on the night and day:

how the hell did they get our doc N1... plane luck i guess?
and luckily a goon gone, but im afraid he only got killed by another thread to town. or some pro-town role took a huge risk, but i dont believe that.
@jonty, soft claiming you have something to do with meth?

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Well good news pcm is dead, bad news Neb is dead. Pcm's death is interesting. I have two thoughts - strongman kill or delayed PGO, Walt was busy (now I've never seen BB so I'm not sure if this would be too OOC for WW, but someone just killed his wife, so I could imagine any sane person doing it, but he cooks meth, so can he be sane, but then again he doesn't smoke it, so he might still be sane)

A bit waffly, must be the meth.

FASTPOSTED x9!!!!!!!! Are you guys on meth are summat

@ betiko: maybe we got a maffia goon with some ability's? depending on the size of the maffia.
@metsfanmax: who cares if skyler is accountant in the series.... not to insult you but a useless post in my opinion...
[off topic] @x....x: i like your vote count colour thing:) [off topic]

my opinion:
why was nebud targeted ? was it because he was voting superkeener? i was suspicious of superkeener, did not get much better yet... just after the votecount where he was in the lead he voted IB, got some people with him. But before that time IB was already voting on him, so not best one to point finger at. the whole saul/badger/third guy thing is weird to me.. i just dont get it... but in the end he did not join the anarkist vote, he said he thought he was town..
he is one of my possibles..

Rugbirn: another possible...
was on the anarkist wagon, late (after nebud removed his vote if im not misstaken)
has not said much (even less then i did probably, i guess thats kind of a achievement if i have to believe all of you calling me suspicious)
could be not even reading this threat carefully... i just dont know...

rishead...
well he basicly said nothing with a opinion, just smalltalk, then came late in the voting party with a vote on mets, quickly withdrew, then voted anarkist i dont get why, he could have voted him when he voted mets, but only did so very late.
He deserves my vote for now:
Vote rishead

oh and to those seeing me around: i am, i try to read few times a day to keep up to date, but since i like to reread big parts to form opinions, and post huge posts like this, i am not always posting when im reading.

[MoB Deadly]

I say we give it 24 hours or until everyone checks in before we pressure someone. Betiko sounds like he feels strongly about Caffeine. If we have no other leads I think him as well as some of the other cases make sense to pursue. Hopefully greg is caught up and can post today.

I just don't want to get ahead of ourselves when there's a potential posts by other players we wouldn't want to ignore.

My exact thoughts as well. Let people post any leads if they got em. I will read the case on caffeine tonight or tomorrow. I would like gregwolf to chime in as well before we move forward with anything serious.

fastposted by a monster post by virus

[virus90]

sorry apparently you cannot put spoilers into spoilers, or i did something wrong, i wanted a lot of that to be in the spoiler to make it easier to read.... since editing is not allowed you will have to do it with my apologies for failing

[StorrZerg]

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

[Rugbirn]

I believe Neb got busted as a result of Anark's last post when he warned Neb to watch out. Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb. As for the NK, I think we have a Vig that knows allot more than he's saying right now. I'm surprised that X-stor didn't get wacked N1 based on all his actions - so I think that there is also some 3rd party town protection. Thinking as mafia, I'd want X-stor eliminated ASAP so that the game wouldn't have a focal point, and be more in chaos.

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe Neb got busted as a result of Anark's last post when he warned Neb to watch out. Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb. As for the NK, I think we have a Vig that knows allot more than he's saying right now. I'm surprised that X-stor didn't get wacked N1 based on all his actions - so I think that there is also some 3rd party town protection. Thinking as mafia, I'd want X-stor eliminated ASAP so that the game wouldn't have a focal point, and be more in chaos.

Anarch would have no idea of Nebs role or alignment.

So because X-stor-X is still alive you believe their is third party protection? Could you please explain your theory in greater detail?

[betiko]

I believe Neb got busted as a result of Anark's last post when he warned Neb to watch out. Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb. As for the NK, I think we have a Vig that knows allot more than he's saying right now. I'm surprised that X-stor didn't get wacked N1 based on all his actions - so I think that there is also some 3rd party town protection. Thinking as mafia, I'd want X-stor eliminated ASAP so that the game wouldn't have a focal point, and be more in chaos.

Sorry, just came in quickly and didn t have time to give virus s post the attention it deserves yet. Just got flabbergasted by rugbirn s reads. I promise a more serious post later!

[Rugbirn]

All I'm saying is that 3rd party roles (which I think most/all of us believe there to be in this game) can take on all kinds of forms. These roles could be anything someone thinks up. If Anark had no idea of Neb's role, then how do you explain his last message specifically to Neb (as opposed to townies in general)?

[Iron Butterfly]

All I'm saying is that 3rd party roles (which I think most/all of us believe there to be in this game) can take on all kinds of forms. These roles could be anything someone thinks up. If Anark had no idea of Neb's role, then how do you explain his last message specifically to Neb (as opposed to townies in general)?

No...my question is how to YOU explain it? Anarchist was a Vanilla Townie. Period.

[rishaed]

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Ok i wanted to point this out, the last words of nebudchanezer:

And F%#@ all of you who call my case shit and are now voting Anarkistsdream. I don't know if any of you who are voting did call it crap, but it frustrates me that I put the best case of the day together and got laughed at for it. Yet, he will now get lynched, and I don't even get credit for the case...well, if he IS town, I guess I don't want credit.

I got on Superkeener, because I wanted another claim. Rolefishing? No. More like claim-fishing. I wanted something else to judge Anark and future claims by. Even if we get a PR, we should have plenty of power to protect him. I did buy into X-Stor's case that he was noncommittal and not adding anything while casting plenty of doubt all over.

I think Anark's fate has been sealed, so let's see what it brings...

Well that got me reading back of which i left my notes in the spoiler, its a shitload of text. dont bother reading if you dont want to, these are my brief notes, on which i am forming an opinion, but you can skip all the text and just read the outcome if you want to save 10 minutes of your life.

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the case nebud mentions is on page 23, at this point these people where voting him: Anarchist (4)-x-stor, betiko, Nebuchadnezer, Jonty125

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Warning: Long post!

First. WTF is Rugbirn doing here? Dude, you are a total distraction to this game. Are you even reading what you write? Please get it together...this is the type of play that WILL get you lynched. X-Stor-X is at least aggressive and has a point to his posting...you...not so much.

I agree with all your observations about narks VT claim, however, there is one thing that bothers me. Strike said that he assigned roles in the order of game sign-ups. Nark was actually the second to sign up. I have to wonder if (why) Strike actually assigned a VT (Badger? a minor role) to the second person, especially someone that is a veteran player......Thoughts?

I disagree with pancake and anark. Here is Strike's post: "Role PMs are coming out in order of when you signed up. Please confirm as you get them."
If Anak is badger, (and #2) why couldn't Strike just have distributed the roles in alphabetical order to the order of sign-ups. Wild theory, but something to consider as we find out more about who is who. Virus, you were the first to sign up - who are you?

Hey, just throwing it out there. Don't kill the messanger; said it was a wild theory! And it at least has some logic to it, as opposed to half the messgaes I've read here. Besides, maybe SW knows that role details are not revevant to most of you and decided to throw you a curve?

I want to beleive Anark, but the way he keeps posting virus' "pat on the back" makes me think that they are part of the same scum clan.

Nark did I hit a nerve (or maybe the truth)? It only makes sense that you and virus are of the same clan. Nobody uses a signature to remind everyone how great they are.

Now on to Anarkistsdream...

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

A couple points from above ^

1. You quite clearly state that are NOT Badger. I'm sure you'll try to spin this somehow, but your post is pretty clear that you were not "saying I was badger."
2. I did not say I wanted to lynch you. I wanted your full claim. You can't come out with some cracked up VT claim that you breadcrumbed about, and then NOT give the full claim.

well to tell the truth it's the first time I ever hear the expression "to badger", so I guess it's not often used and that he could not have NOT thought of it... after talking about breadcrumbing. If you had written that post, wouldn't you have changed that verb with a synonym in order not to give a wrong clue?
Anyway, badger or combo, it's not very relevant. His "sin" isn't to be badger vs combo, it's to softclaim vt when he had so little pressure on his shoulders.

and to tell the truth I think I missed that part... did he say he got killed by a kid on a bike? I remember tha someone mentioned that sene here in the game, but I don't remember why and who..

Actually, it is very commonly used in my line of work... The term, that is...

Metsfan is the only one thinking all of this through, and for that, I say good on you, brother...

I have a strong suspicion that of the five people voting me, at least two of them will be scum, and, if enough townies are dumb enough to get behind the lynch of a vt, then they will be able to claim ignorance at a later time.

It is at this time that I finally start having reads on people, x-stor. See, before I can make decisions, I jave to give them something to talk/argue about. Just jumping on random people at the beginning doesn't work too well... As it stands, metsfan is most assuredly town, or is 3rd party with the towns best interests at heart.

Rugbirn, I think you are misinterpreting what Strike Wolf said about assigning roles. I also think Rugbirn is townish...

Pancake... It was a gambit on my part, but everyone was so fixated on x-stor that something epic had to be done to get the ball rolling. Another few days of that and we would have ended up having to rush lynch someone.

Now, of the five voting me, x-stor could just be as aggressive as I am, but he has been very overbearing all game, and it is easy to want to lynch the annoying person. TFO and I have not played much together, so I really have few reads on him. Betiko is town, I truly believe... Neb and Jonty both are.... well, the most likely scum on my wagon. They waited for several other votes to build up first, whih protects them from being accused of leading the wagon. They both basically said, we would rather lynch a VT then try to find scum, which is a super smart thing for mafia to do... Kill the VT during the day and look for PR at night... Remember, they know who is scum with them... At least their type of scum if there is a Fring/Cartel division.

Vote Neb

Next post...This is rather nice. It's a rather long one with lots of finger pointing going on...but it's essentially an OMGUS on anyone voting for you. Very nicely veiled, but still an OMGUS. Let's remember, you are the one with the half-claimed VT with a 2 vote pressure on you...You are the one who has been playing oddly quiet, and then suddenly coming up with a half VT claim when two people vote you. There surely could be mafia on your "wagon"...the percentages dictate that possibility...but percentages also dictate that I could name any 5 players and one of them are mafia. Your play was stupid and attracted attention. Votes were warranted. To come back with an OMGUS vote does you no favors.

Also Anark I think a full claim is inevitable from you. It seems you've already seen who has jumped on your wagon, may as well finish off the claim unless I missed it

Excellent catch on MoB...

And of course I am Badger... So, that makes me assume Skinny Pete is out there somewhere, too.

Next post from Anark...so NOW you ARE Badger? WTF...(scrolls back to top) Oh, yah, you said you were not Badger! But now you are...but wait...did you perchance...LIE?

Also, I love how you call what I did a "crime..."

Hahaha. Very subtle

Subtle indeed...I was just hoping for a name claim from you. But after looking at your actions and posts, I can't believe the rest of town is letting you get away with this crap. You can have "gut" feelings all you want about Anark, but he's had plenty of mistakes here. I'm at the point where I will continue to wonder if he is town or faking it, and just pulled the wool over our eyes.

So, I'm going to summarize...

1. Rugbirn is playing like a douche.
2. Anarkistsdream claims VT after two votes.
3. Anarkistsdream lies about his name claim.
4. Anarkistsdream OMGUSs anyone voting him.

My vote stays.

he had already voted few hours before feb 28 my local time

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I like the setup talk as well, however it is all speculation at this point. We will continue to put the pieces together. However, a tentative foundation of possible roles is also a plus.

To mod: Is there anyway we can get a post count or something similar so we can see the inactives to get the proddings started?

Asking the mod for a post count? Do it yourself.

Unvote vote nark
Seriously, wtf man? What a daft move. There s no vote count but basically, you just softclaim badger, vt just after a vote or 2? You know that if we find a VT we ll have no prob lynching you, a lot to gain and not that much yo lose.
Also, badger is a crappy enough character to be one of the fake claims.

Xstor s case on you was sloppy but what you did in response is extremely scummy!

So you admit that you would rather lynch a VT then keep him around? And you say I look scummy...

As for saying I was badger... That isn't what I did at all... I dropped clues in previous posts, not the one I was replying in...

Haven't people heard the term "badgering the witness?"

Dude...you done screwed up, son! At least wait for a wagon to form, so we get some info...I'm not a fan of what you did here. We might as well go ahead and get your full claim...VOTE Anarkistsdream

so who joined after him? and what where the reactions? page 24 onwards: my short summary of posts.

pancakemix basicly said: " but since your remaining case is largely based on him flip-flopping on claiming Badger, I don't know that it holds water."
rishaed dodged the case focused grammer/meaning technicalitys
I am caffeine: "i Believe Nark is townsided
superkeener basicly says: i think he is Saul, maybe badger, maybe skiny pete, maybe a combo (my personal short version of his post)
xstorx says all should vote before monday
metsfanmax says: ok i vote you.
rishaed votes metsfanmax because of his comment on lynching the annoying one.
xstor x makes a case changing to superkeener
pancakemix "votes"virus (deliberately does not unvote jokevote = voting in my opinion)
IB votes superkeener
virus votes superkeener
nebudchanazer changes vote to superkeener
metsfanmax: xstorx case is awfull
betiko: "this superkeener wageon is quitte funny"
rodion: believes nark is town
(page 26 by now)
rugbirn: votes anarkistdream
iamcaffeine: the wagon on superkeener is funny

vote count at that point:
Superkeener (4) x-stor, iron butterfly, virus, neb
Anarchist (3) betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn

superkeener: i believe nark is town, votes IB
betiko: on the superkeener wagon "i find the wagon terribly oportunistic and probably scummy."
mob deadly: vote Anarkist
mod deadly makes a list with scummy / good people (page 27) - me and anarkist scummy, rugbirn somewhat. mod deadly points out not liking superkeener bandwagon
cooldeals - votes anarkist
iamcaffeine: vote IB
anarkist point out we are wasting time quoting eachothers refernces as agreeing to it. with the 2 bandwagons (page 28)
jonty: my vote stays anarkist
anarkist: vote jonty
metsfanmax: I plan to push on IB pretty hard for his scummy bandwagoning onto the superkeener case
xstorx votes virus (me)
TFO vote IB

votecount:
Anarkist (5)-betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob deadly, cooldeals
Ironbutterfly (3)-Superkeener, iamcaffeine, Theforgivenone
Superkeener (3)-iron butterfly, Virus, neb

rishead votes anarkist
pancakemix: i still think virus is a far better choice for a lynch, points out rugbirn is also scummy
mob deadly: stresses why he votes anarkist
xstorx point out gregwolf lurking but not saying anything
metsfanmax and xstorx discuss mets opinion of superkeener wagon scummy

final vote count:

Anarkist (6)-betiko, Jonty125, rugbirn, mob deadly, cooldeals, Rishaed
Ironbutterfly (3)-Superkeener, iamcaffeine, Theforgivenone
Superkeener (3)-iron butterfly, Virus, neb
Virus90 (2)-Pancake, x-stor
x-stor-x (2)-Nagerous, Metsfanmax
Jonty125 (1)-Anarkist

ok on the notes on the night and day:

how the hell did they get our doc N1... plane luck i guess?
and luckily a goon gone, but im afraid he only got killed by another thread to town. or some pro-town role took a huge risk, but i dont believe that.
@jonty, soft claiming you have something to do with meth?

Spoiler

Well good news pcm is dead, bad news Neb is dead. Pcm's death is interesting. I have two thoughts - strongman kill or delayed PGO, Walt was busy (now I've never seen BB so I'm not sure if this would be too OOC for WW, but someone just killed his wife, so I could imagine any sane person doing it, but he cooks meth, so can he be sane, but then again he doesn't smoke it, so he might still be sane)

A bit waffly, must be the meth.

FASTPOSTED x9!!!!!!!! Are you guys on meth are summat

@ betiko: maybe we got a maffia goon with some ability's? depending on the size of the maffia.
@metsfanmax: who cares if skyler is accountant in the series.... not to insult you but a useless post in my opinion...
[off topic] @x....x: i like your vote count colour thing:) [off topic]

my opinion:
why was nebud targeted ? was it because he was voting superkeener? i was suspicious of superkeener, did not get much better yet... just after the votecount where he was in the lead he voted IB, got some people with him. But before that time IB was already voting on him, so not best one to point finger at. the whole saul/badger/third guy thing is weird to me.. i just dont get it... but in the end he did not join the anarkist vote, he said he thought he was town..
he is one of my possibles..

Rugbirn: another possible...
was on the anarkist wagon, late (after nebud removed his vote if im not misstaken)
has not said much (even less then i did probably, i guess thats kind of a achievement if i have to believe all of you calling me suspicious)
could be not even reading this threat carefully... i just dont know...

rishead...
well he basicly said nothing with a opinion, just smalltalk, then came late in the voting party with a vote on mets, quickly withdrew, then voted anarkist i dont get why, he could have voted him when he voted mets, but only did so very late.
He deserves my vote for now:
Vote rishead

oh and to those seeing me around: i am, i try to read few times a day to keep up to date, but since i like to reread big parts to form opinions, and post huge posts like this, i am not always posting when im reading.

I voted him because I wanted to ensure the lynch, sure I knew I was gonna take some heat for it, but my reasons for lynching stand as such:
WCS: VT
BCS: SCUM
Also, if you didn't notice, i stated VT claims get lynched 90% of the time, simply because they provide the most information. I admit that if there had been a different lynch option apart from no lynch, I might have voted differently, but we only got one claim D1. It was worth testing, and was worth getting information from. Also, I misread Nark's initial comment, but by the time that was cleared up decided that the benefits to town on lynching him were greater than going the no lynch route.
If you didn't notice I was still hoping to get a claim around the time i voted mets, I believe I already said that earlier in response to CoolDeals
*Fixed on voting mets.
I will state that if Rugbirn gets more disruptive my opinion on that might change, but its his first game/first time on CC forums it seems like so I can deal a bit of slack.
As for PCM I'm inclined to believe that delayed PGO wouldn't work, but it was random targeting (within a sense) by a third/fourth faction. Could be a strongman since it talkes about the person breaking down the door. I would think that it wasn't a vig, since many of us considered PCM to be town. As for X-Stor-X, I think that the kills avoided him because of the thought that he'd be too hot in the night. Losing Neb is bad, but I think that with a game of 18 there are bound to be more protective roles out there.
Virus some of the things in your summary make it sound like you are skimming to me, I always state my reason for voting when I vote.

[Rugbirn]

IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?

I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.

[betiko]

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.

Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?

[betiko]

Okay, I've just about managed to catch up.

Please betty, you need to stop exaggerating so much. I was not totally convinced on who was town, as you said, but I had a couple of townreads. Notice the bold? That is a read, not a statement declaring I am convinced that they're town. I still townread you, since you've chosen someone you have a gut feeling against and you're pushing them; in this case that's me but I don't have a problem with that.

I can assure you (although it will mean little) that I am far from a threat to town. Considering main characters in the programme, I imagine the mafia faction(s) will be rather small. After seeing the dead roles I doubt there is a second mafia faction, but we could expect third party players. Given the expected size of the scum squad, it would be an extremely high risk move for pancakemix to try and buss someone on d1.

I'm intrigued as to how he died though, and why. I, as others have also said, couldn't really see a good reason to suspect him. Although I completely condone those actions!

If people want a full claim then I will provide one, but I think it is too early.

I don't know, I have a third party vibe from his post. "I am far from a threat to town" is what a third party would say. I would tend to believe he's telling the truth as he's taking a risk to admit he isn't exactly town...

[Iron Butterfly]

IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?

I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.

You need to understand how roles and alighnments work before you start stating your opinions as fact.

[StorrZerg]

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.

Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?

strongly disagree out of thin air. And obviously a dead town doctor agreed with my "thin air post"
again It matters because anark flipped town and neb flipped town. And i know I am town.

[betiko]

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.

Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?

strongly disagree out of thin air. And obviously a dead town doctor agreed with my "thin air post"
again It matters because anark flipped town and neb flipped town. And i know I am town.

so now the fact of being a proved town doctor means that any case he agreed on is valid? PCM had information, so you can speculate on what he saidif you want.
Speculate on a VT or a doc's day 1 theories as if they knew something we don't is totally stupid.

[betiko]

Btw ill drop a hint from where i come.

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ&feature=kp[/YouTube]

Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.

what was this about by the way?

then this:

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

then 10 minutes later you open a thread in the mafia discussion called "video mafia" where you write video mafia is fun. is there any relevance to this game?

[rishaed]

Btw ill drop a hint from where i come.

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ&feature=kp[/YouTube]

Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.

what was this about by the way?

then this:

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

then 10 minutes later you open a thread in the mafia discussion called "video mafia" where you write video mafia is fun. is there any relevance to this game?

Is this really necessary? Also, Rugbirn, with possibly multiple factions in the game, I am assuming that mafia were speculating as well, in part. Sure they knew he wasn't one of them, but he could have been many factions, to an opposing mafia faction. If its just straight town v. Mafia, then mafia know everyone who is town already, the only uncertainty is if they are PR/VT. Also not understanding the "mistake" part.... If Nark was a vengeful townie, he would have logically hit someone on his wagon.

[StorrZerg]

Btw ill drop a hint from where i come.

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ&feature=kp[/YouTube]

Which was brought up in another thread before started this game.

what was this about by the way?

then this:

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

then 10 minutes later you open a thread in the mafia discussion called "video mafia" where you write video mafia is fun. is there any relevance to this game?

game no, but i was asked about if i had played and where.

[StorrZerg]

rishaed could you redo your post, take out all of virus post or something. Its quite hard to read. ALso what is WCS and BCS and PGO

[StorrZerg]

SO at people who said the Super wagon seemed funny/oppertunistic for scum what not.

That was pre anark flip. Does the Superwagon seem opportunistic now? "scummy" what not. Has anything changed?

I don't see why anything that happened since makes the wagon oportunistic at the time. there was nothing in that case in my opinion. It's like if i start a case out of your post just there building whatever theory out of it. I'm not saying super is town; I'm just saying that the case was made up from thin air, there was nothing and a wagon formed very quickly. too quickly in my opinion. But I didn't really manage to pull out any conclusion from the people wo formed that wagon to tell the truth.

Regarding caf, if I understood corectly he is softclaiming 3rd party... you guys understood the same right?

strongly disagree out of thin air. And obviously a dead town doctor agreed with my "thin air post"
again It matters because anark flipped town and neb flipped town. And i know I am town.

so now the fact of being a proved town doctor means that any case he agreed on is valid? PCM had information, so you can speculate on what he saidif you want.
Speculate on a VT or a doc's day 1 theories as if they knew something we don't is totally stupid.

I think PCM was in fact shot because of what he said about "theme" if we are dealing with 2 mafia factions.

[TheForgivenOne]

IB, I gave you my theory: "Mafia knew Anark was VT as he claimed, and got Anark to finger another townie in Neb". Now. what's your theory for why Anark specifically fingered Neb?

I do know this as fact. With 10 days to go, 15 left, and assuming 4 scum still out there, that leaves 8 out of 11 that need to agree on the next lynch. Can we get 8 to agree on a lynch? Possibly, but it is going to take more evidence than we have now. The shock to me on N1 was how PCM went down. The only answer is that he was wrongly assumed to be town. So it seems to me that both sides made a mistake on D/N 1.

I don't even know what to think with you. You do realize Anark had NO clue if Neb was townie? All he could do was guess that he was a townie. The Mafia ALREADY know who "Isn't" mafia (Well, in their faction anyway, if there are 2). Anark was basically saying to the person who started/kept pushing the case on him "You are making a mistake".

And If there are 2 factions of mafia, they are probably trying to eliminate each other, so I doubt it was a "mistake". If it's an SK, he's just killing people and doesn't really care who. If it was a Town vigil, well, he's pretty stupid to shoot n1 (unless he's overeager, which could be a possibility).

Side note, Rishaed your post really dun fucked up the forum.

[Rodion]

Hello. My internet is back, so I should be able to participate sunday at the latest.

For now:

1 - Virus, you can make a EBWOP to fix your broken post (basically, you're making a new post with the content of your old one, but with proper formatting).
2 - Rishaed, same thing.
3 - Stor, "Worst Case Scenario", "Best Case Scenario" and "Paranoid Gun Owner" (a role that kills everyone who targets them with a night action).
4 - Also, Virus, if those are your notes, where are the "pluses and minuses" at?

[superkeener]

Hi. Just letting everyone know. I was busy helping a friend move yesterday and also will be helping today. Tomorrow (Sunday) I will be able to give a better interpretation of my thoughts on N1 and the current D2 stance.

[betiko]

Hello. My internet is back, so I should be able to participate sunday at the latest.

For now:

1 - Virus, you can make a EBWOP to fix your broken post (basically, you're making a new post with the content of your old one, but with proper formatting).
2 - Rishaed, same thing.
3 - Stor, "Worst Case Scenario", "Best Case Scenario" and "Paranoid Gun Owner" (a role that kills everyone who targets them with a night action).
4 - Also, Virus, if those are your notes, where are the "pluses and minuses" at?

Not getting really involved with opinions are you? Day 2 now, will expect much more substance from you.