Emotions Mafia {6/10} GAME OVER: MAFIA WINS!

[MudPuppy]

... oh, and I meant to add that I fully realize my borderline negative emotion read on drake (if accurate) means next to nothing... just making an observation based on his reaction to my list.

[pancakemix]

No there is more valid positive emotions than negative, the majority of negatives on this list are easily more portrayed as townie. All of the positive have no chance of being mafia unless jak is being funny with the roles which is why i asked about his previous games. But a good portion of the negative emotions i can't seeing be mafia either i.e boredom, helplessness and doubt.

Except for clarifying what are town like roles, it helps people to call MAFIA when someone claims one of these roles whom could easily be town.

This is why i placed my vote on puppy, the only reasonable vote yet, due to opening the chance of others and even himself to call others mafia if they are on this negative list.

Does he deserved to be lynched of for it? No... But he does deserve my vote.
Which from his recent statement he has suggested me otherwise and it also brought in a lot of interesting comments.

I still feel like you're overreacting though. Emotions are kind of a spectrum anyway, so something like, say, boredom is definitely negative but could be portrayed as town because it's "negative and passive". The question is: would it? I would wager that since we're looking at a 10-person game, we're likely to see emotions that are more common when the notion first comes to mind, ergo more clear cut in terms of where they fall factionwise.

Again, if you don't think they'd apply to mafia, why not just say so? Indicate which ones are unlikely? At the moment it feels like you're reading really deep into something that isn't that deep.

[jak111]

VOTE COUNT

jonty125 ~
NoSurvivors ~
TheForgivenOne ~ NoS (L5)
pancakemix ~
MudPuppy ~ drake (L5)
Whatsausage ~ Iron Butterfly, virus90 (L4)
virus90
Iron Butterfly ~ pcm (L5)
Zivel ~ jonty125 (L5)
drake_259

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch successfully.

Day ends on March 16th, 7:55pm

Interesting discussions so far, so DEEP XDD, also TFO, please use RED & BOLDED (this goes for everyone else, if it is not both of these two and I miss your vote/unvote it's on you).

[drake_259]

No there is more valid positive emotions than negative, the majority of negatives on this list are easily more portrayed as townie. All of the positive have no chance of being mafia unless jak is being funny with the roles which is why i asked about his previous games. But a good portion of the negative emotions i can't seeing be mafia either i.e boredom, helplessness and doubt.

Except for clarifying what are town like roles, it helps people to call MAFIA when someone claims one of these roles whom could easily be town.

This is why i placed my vote on puppy, the only reasonable vote yet, due to opening the chance of others and even himself to call others mafia if they are on this negative list.

Does he deserved to be lynched of for it? No... But he does deserve my vote.
Which from his recent statement he has suggested me otherwise and it also brought in a lot of interesting comments.

I still feel like you're overreacting though. Emotions are kind of a spectrum anyway, so something like, say, boredom is definitely negative but could be portrayed as town because it's "negative and passive". The question is: would it? I would wager that since we're looking at a 10-person game, we're likely to see emotions that are more common when the notion first comes to mind, ergo more clear cut in terms of where they fall factionwise.

Again, if you don't think they'd apply to mafia, why not just say so? Indicate which ones are unlikely? At the moment it feels like you're reading really deep into something that isn't that deep.

Only can over react on day one. If i don't the chat would have been slim. What else have we discussed? basically nothing therefore at least i am bring something to the table and getting people to talk and discuss even if its not relevant. Day 1 almost nothing is relevant.

We only have 4 days left to lynch or no one will be hanged. so with that in mind and nothing huge to go on who would you point your finger at in this early stage?

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote

The only relevant conversation we have had had been the issues involving Mudpuppy and Drake.

Mudpuppy could you please explain again what you meant about Drake and negative emotions.

[MudPuppy]

unvote

The only relevant conversation we have had had been the issues involving Mudpuppy and Drake.

Mudpuppy could you please explain again what you meant about Drake and negative emotions.

I could be wrong, and perhaps doesn't mean much even if I'm right. But drake's concern about my list, especially his feeling that I posted it to "push a wider area of possible negatives emotes to give a wider area of more possible people to vote for..." just gave me the feeling that he's one of those negative emotes and he seems to be defending the Townness of them. I happen to agree with his argument that most of the negative emotions could be town... but he just had a much stronger reaction than seemed reasonable. I don't think a player representing Happiness would have responded as he did.

[pancakemix]

Only can over react on day one. If i don't the chat would have been slim. What else have we discussed? basically nothing therefore at least i am bring something to the table and getting people to talk and discuss even if its not relevant. Day 1 almost nothing is relevant.

We only have 4 days left to lynch or no one will be hanged. so with that in mind and nothing huge to go on who would you point your finger at in this early stage?

Well, at the moment Zivel has yet to contribute much of anything. Since confirming, he's cast a joke vote and made an "I don't know what to do" post. He claims newbiness but I'm not so sure to what extent. His more recent post seems to betray an understanding of Mafia Math (e.g. what having four scum would mean for the game), which is not a difficult concept to understand but suggests some degree of familiarity.

Now, the latter point is not inherently scummy, but it would put him at an advantage when seeking our good graces were his back to a corner. As for the former, having more than two posts early in the game is advisable, but again not condemning. It is food for thought though.

[NoSurvivors]

NoS thoughts:

I don't see anything really scummy on MP, don't think he meant to give out an easy list of mafia escape ropes if you will. As (I think it was pancake-- too tired to go back and find it on an iPod) said, anyone can google "emotions" and pick out one and hope for the best lol.

Zivel I think is just a new guy. I can relate because I still have trouble getting through day 1 without getting suspicion against me lol. I don't think he is scummy yet if at all so far.

As for drake... I feel like his over reacting is, unfortunately enough day 1 to be at least pressured. A claim D1 is useful to town IMO but a lynch isn't always.

With 3 days left, I feel the only real scummy behaviour is you drake. Digging deep into minor things and getting up in arms over what really isn't that scummy IMO. And if we are going to get anywhere in this game, we need to use our only power as town, and those are our votes for pressure/claiming/lunching purposes.

So unless there's any better case someone can point out to me, I will UNVOTE, VOTE DRAKE

[Iron Butterfly]

NoS thoughts:

I don't see anything really scummy on MP, don't think he meant to give out an easy list of mafia escape ropes if you will. As (I think it was pancake-- too tired to go back and find it on an iPod) said, anyone can google "emotions" and pick out one and hope for the best lol.

Zivel I think is just a new guy. I can relate because I still have trouble getting through day 1 without getting suspicion against me lol. I don't think he is scummy yet if at all so far.

As for drake... I feel like his over reacting is, unfortunately enough day 1 to be at least pressured. A claim D1 is useful to town IMO but a lynch isn't always.

With 3 days left, I feel the only real scummy behaviour is you drake. Digging deep into minor things and getting up in arms over what really isn't that scummy IMO. And if we are going to get anywhere in this game, we need to use our only power as town, and those are our votes for pressure/claiming/lunching purposes.

So unless there's any better case someone can point out to me, I will UNVOTE, VOTE DRAKE

I agree vote Drake

We need at least a claim for today. As small a tell it may seem to be it is all we have for the moment.

[drake_259]

With 3 days left, I feel the only real scummy behaviour is you drake. Digging deep into minor things and getting up in arms over what really isn't that scummy IMO. And if we are going to get anywhere in this game, we need to use our only power as town, and those are our votes for pressure/claiming/lunching purposes.

So unless there's any better case someone can point out to me, I will UNVOTE, VOTE DRAKE

Tell me, if i didn't go after MP where would that have left us atm, no one else had brought anything else to the table and its all we had no matter how small of a chance of him being scummy. And it wasn't all to do with that anyway. It was more to spark a conversation off as i know how hard day 1 can be to find anything so why not take something so small and make it bigger?




Submarining never helps, i used to do it a lot back in the day but it doesn't mean anything unfortunately. Only worth lynching if continues to do so in D2.




I knew going after MP would get me votes as soon as i did it, and going that hard. If i was mafia i wouldn't have digged my own grave for someone i knew people wouldn't follow .

[MudPuppy]

Tell me, if i didn't go after MP where would that have left us atm, no one else had brought anything else to the table and its all we had no matter how small of a chance of him being scummy. And it wasn't all to do with that anyway. It was more to spark a conversation off as i know how hard day 1 can be to find anything so why not take something so small and make it bigger?

I have no problem with that answer. I think stirring the pot a bit on D1 is better than doing nothing at all.

Submarining never helps, i used to do it a lot back in the day but it doesn't mean anything unfortunately. Only worth lynching if continues to do so in D2.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I thought "submarining" might be a mafia term but couldn't find it on mafiascum.net. Wiktionary defines it as "tending to strike unexpectedly." Not sure if your unexpected "strike" on me is the submarining you're referring to or the current push-back against you... or something else??? Can you restate this a different way?

I knew going after MP would get me votes as soon as i did it, and going that hard. If i was mafia i wouldn't have digged my own grave for someone i knew people wouldn't follow .

I get that you wanted to generate activity at the risk of getting votes for doing so. But that last sentence is a) WIFOM and b) the first real scummy thing I feel you've said this game.

[NoSurvivors]

Tell me, if i didn't go after MP where would that have left us atm, no one else had brought anything else to the table and its all we had no matter how small of a chance of him being scummy. And it wasn't all to do with that anyway. It was more to spark a conversation off as i know how hard day 1 can be to find anything so why not take something so small and make it bigger?

I have no problem with that answer. I think stirring the pot a bit on D1 is better than doing nothing at all.

Submarining never helps, i used to do it a lot back in the day but it doesn't mean anything unfortunately. Only worth lynching if continues to do so in D2.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I thought "submarining" might be a mafia term but couldn't find it on mafiascum.net. Wiktionary defines it as "tending to strike unexpectedly." Not sure if your unexpected "strike" on me is the submarining you're referring to or the current push-back against you... or something else??? Can you restate this a different way?

I knew going after MP would get me votes as soon as i did it, and going that hard. If i was mafia i wouldn't have digged my own grave for someone i knew people wouldn't follow .

I get that you wanted to generate activity at the risk of getting votes for doing so. But that last sentence is a) WIFOM and b) the first real scummy thing I feel you've said this game.

There is a term "scummarining" I think. Its when a player doesn't post for a long time or contribute much to the conversation to avoid posting things and being interrogated for them.

And drake, does it matter "what if I didn't"? What if in another game mafia didn't make one of the posts they made? Yes it probably would have saved them, but too bad. Basically in my eyes you saying "what if I didn't react this way, then what?" Tells me "oopsee, can I take that back?"

[jonty125]

With the clock running down, and drake's over reaction. vote drake because we need a claim.

[MudPuppy]

I concur that a claim would be nice. I'll push it to L2: Vote drake_259

[jak111]

VOTE COUNT

jonty125 ~
NoSurvivors ~
TheForgivenOne ~
pancakemix ~
MudPuppy ~ drake (L5)
Whatsausage ~ virus90 (L5)
virus90
Iron Butterfly ~ pcm (L5)
Zivel ~
drake_259 ~ NoS; IB; jonty125; MP (L2)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch successfully.

Day ends on March 16th, 7:55pm

(Be lucky I caught your vote on another person to change it jonty )

A day has passed since my last vote count for you all and we're still on the same page.

[drake_259]

Tell me, if i didn't go after MP where would that have left us atm, no one else had brought anything else to the table and its all we had no matter how small of a chance of him being scummy. And it wasn't all to do with that anyway. It was more to spark a conversation off as i know how hard day 1 can be to find anything so why not take something so small and make it bigger?

I have no problem with that answer. I think stirring the pot a bit on D1 is better than doing nothing at all.

Submarining never helps, i used to do it a lot back in the day but it doesn't mean anything unfortunately. Only worth lynching if continues to do so in D2.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I thought "submarining" might be a mafia term but couldn't find it on mafiascum.net. Wiktionary defines it as "tending to strike unexpectedly." Not sure if your unexpected "strike" on me is the submarining you're referring to or the current push-back against you... or something else??? Can you restate this a different way?

I knew going after MP would get me votes as soon as i did it, and going that hard. If i was mafia i wouldn't have digged my own grave for someone i knew people wouldn't follow .

I get that you wanted to generate activity at the risk of getting votes for doing so. But that last sentence is a) WIFOM and b) the first real scummy thing I feel you've said this game.

Quote 2: This was about people talking about zivel.

Quote 3: It doesn't mean anything thats why i put the at the end.


Anyway i am Anger: Vanilla Townie.

A Horrible Emotion with no useful action except the power to talk (and too much in this case )

You were on the right lines Mud but not quite enough i was one of those that could be mafia which is why i was trying to say the whole list was useless.

Also i don't know what anyone other roles are, but I'm willing to bet mafia are the good thoughts in this game. Everything is telling nathan to go along with it and blow the olympic up in smoke (us townies). where the few good thoughts he has left are trying to kill off the bad thoughts. Which i reckon all the NPC thoughts are going to be all good. the first being Free Will

[Iron Butterfly]

Here's where I think we are game wise.

If this were a larger game we could afford to perhaps get another claim. If we pressure someone else and force a claim several things can happen. If someone else claims a VT and they are telling the truth mafia will know to work around them to hit what PRs there may be. So if both Drake and another claimed VT are telling the truth, that narrows the pool for mafia to attack.

At a minimum I would think we have cop and doc with perhaps another PR. I have a feeling this will be a VT heavy game with a game this small.

We can lynch Drake
Go for another claim
Vote no lynch

I would like everyone's thoughts.

[virus90]

i would suggest not nescearily look for another claim as a goal on itself but we should indeed make the best of the rest of the day. we can always decide to no lynch or vote later.

[drake_259]

Here's where I think we are game wise.

If this were a larger game we could afford to perhaps get another claim. If we pressure someone else and force a claim several things can happen. If someone else claims a VT and they are telling the truth mafia will know to work around them to hit what PRs there may be. So if both Drake and another claimed VT are telling the truth, that narrows the pool for mafia to attack.

At a minimum I would think we have cop and doc with perhaps another PR. I have a feeling this will be a VT heavy game with a game this small.

We can lynch Drake
Go for another claim
Vote no lynch

I would like everyone's thoughts.

Now this is funny. You were the second voter on me and yet you have nothing to say about my claim, I had claimed anger and you just totally ignore everything including my other comment how i think this game is played.

You go straight to suggesting to lynch or get another claim while adding no lynch without stating anything about my claim. Don't want to get your hands dirty?
Also you quickly jumped to voting me after Nos there on after creating the bandwagon.

So you made me claim so do you wanna at least mention if you think im telling the truth etc instead of awaiting for the next person to do so?

[drake_259]

also before i forget again Unvote Puppy

He pretty much cleared himself as i mentioned in a previous post

[Iron Butterfly]

Here's where I think we are game wise.

If this were a larger game we could afford to perhaps get another claim. If we pressure someone else and force a claim several things can happen. If someone else claims a VT and they are telling the truth mafia will know to work around them to hit what PRs there may be. So if both Drake and another claimed VT are telling the truth, that narrows the pool for mafia to attack.

At a minimum I would think we have cop and doc with perhaps another PR. I have a feeling this will be a VT heavy game with a game this small.

We can lynch Drake
Go for another claim
Vote no lynch

I would like everyone's thoughts.

Now this is funny. You were the second voter on me and yet you have nothing to say about my claim, I had claimed anger and you just totally ignore everything including my other comment how i think this game is played.

You go straight to suggesting to lynch or get another claim while adding no lynch without stating anything about my claim. Don't want to get your hands dirty?
Also you quickly jumped to voting me after Nos there on after creating the bandwagon.

So you made me claim so do you wanna at least mention if you think im telling the truth etc instead of awaiting for the next person to do so?

The simple fact is that as a claimed VT you are expendable as a day one lynch. Do I believe you are telling the truth? I do. I have however been wrong many times before. I could believe you and you flip scum. weather I believe you or not is irrelevant then. If you are telling the truth and we lynch you we lose a VT. If we lynch you and you were lying we get scum. See where this is going?

You claimed anger. So what. Any theory I have would be speculation. I could say anger is more a vigilante or a power role. Your a liar. It could be a red herring. It could be random. What happens if several deaths down the road VTs are positive emotions? Then we have to second guess if you may be mafia.

We do not have enough information with your claim to say this is how things work.

[NoSurvivors]

Here's what I think...

I think, as IB said you are expendable. If you were a power role obviously it wouldn't be smart to take the risk unless someone claimed the same thing as you.

Anyways, I think the fact that you are still the best case, and if you aren't lying you're only a VT, it's probably best that we lynch. We can then speculate more clearly on the backstory/what emotions are good/bad etc. I too believe you drake, but it's an odds game sometimes and a lynch with minimal loss for town or huge gain for town is a risk I'm willing to take D1.

[drake_259]

Here's what I think...

I think, as IB said you are expendable. If you were a power role obviously it wouldn't be smart to take the risk unless someone claimed the same thing as you.

Anyways, I think the fact that you are still the best case, and if you aren't lying you're only a VT, it's probably best that we lynch. We can then speculate more clearly on the backstory/what emotions are good/bad etc. I too believe you drake, but it's an odds game sometimes and a lynch with minimal loss for town or huge gain for town is a risk I'm willing to take D1.

All true, it only takes 3 minimal losses to end this game in mafias favour if there are 2 mafia and no other killing roles. now add a vig or another killing role and that could easily make 2.

Now add 3 mafia as someone suggested although i don't believe this is the case and thats only 2 lynches

So is it really worth just killing a VT for the sake of it for no reason whatsoever.

[MudPuppy]

Quote 2: This was about people talking about zivel.

Quote 3: It doesn't mean anything thats why i put the at the end.

Anyway i am Anger: Vanilla Townie.

A Horrible Emotion with no useful action except the power to talk (and too much in this case )

You were on the right lines Mud but not quite enough i was one of those that could be mafia which is why i was trying to say the whole list was useless.

OK, the submarining thing makes sense now. Thx to you and NoSurvivors for the clarification.

Whether true or not, I love that the claim is of one of the four emotions out of 48 that I thought was clear-cut mafia. With so many other fake claim options to choose from, the unbelievable VT Anger claim sounds believable.

My initial reaction is why lynch someone that most believe to be town (based on the very limited feedback we've gotten so far). However, I like NoS's cost/benefit analysis, as well as Drake's cost/benefit retort... I don't think I have a good enough feel for the game to make that call just yet. I'll plan to revisit it tomorrow. In the meantime, I'd really love to hear from some of the less active folks.

[Whatsausage]

I am afraid to say I am probably one of those inactive folks MudPuppy just mentioned. I keep telling myself that I am going to make a list of everyone's posts, but I haven't been able to make the time... I'm sorry about that.
So I haven't really agreed with much of what drake has said in the game, but I didn't have much of a scum read on him until now. His claim of an anger town combination makes sense with what he said earlier, but the VT claim is one of the "safest" claims in the game. There is basically no risk of a counterclaim and he doesn't have the risk of being the target of a night kill.
I agree that the options are:
1. continuing on to lynch drake, hoping he is a liar
2. Pursue other paths, hoping to find other leads
3. Not lynch anyone, hoping for more knowledge tomorrow

I say option 3 is a no-go, the odds of finding useful information in the night are low.
I am torn on options 1 and 2. For now I am going with option 2.
vote zivel in the hope that he has something to contribute.
and FOS theforgivenone for also being inactive in my mind