[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[jonty125]

As requested vote TFO

[Rugbirn]

IAM you weren't a watcher, you were a killer visiting Xstor and your lack of creative defense proves it. I believe CD and since his claim I will

unvote

vote iAmCaffeine

[betiko]

As requested vote TFO

thanks mate; you sure you didn't forget to say meth there though???

tfo can you please vote jonty and strike can we get a VC after that?

[jonty125]

As requested vote TFO

thanks mate; you sure you didn't forget to say meth there though???

tfo can you please vote jonty and strike can we get a VC after that?

Oh dear I must have methed it out.

[Rodion]

Jonty, weren't you supposed to criticize Stor's case on Keener?

Vote Betiko just to comply with his research on who can vote. My official vote so to speak (as should be everyone else's) is Caffeine, but we don't have to hurry with the lynch.

The player who has most recently "softclaimed" should target CD tonight, but I have my doubts he even understood he softclaimed. Assuming 3+ mafia left and that statistically one of them should realize it, I guess I'll just have to lay those cards on the table for everyone to see?

[rishaed]

IAM you weren't a watcher, you were a killer visiting Xstor and your lack of creative defense proves it. I believe CD and since his claim I will

unvote

vote iAmCaffeine

So you are doubting the fact, that he knew that you and TFO visited X-Stor last night? How are you going to fix that into your fantasy?

[TheForgivenOne]

I apologize for my absence as this sickness is really taking a toll on me. But as requested

Vote: Jonty

[iAmCaffeine]

IAM you weren't a watcher, you were a killer visiting Xstor and your lack of creative defense proves it. I believe CD and since his claim I will

unvote

vote iAmCaffeine

I said I'd ignore everything you said but here I'll make an exception.

First of all, if I was a killer how would I know that both TFO and you visited X-Stor-X. Sounds to me like you're the killer and jumping on a BW because your kill failed. Speculation I know, but you're asking to be pressed.

Secondly, if I had a creative defence that would suggest I had created it and therefore it wouldn't be true, no? I gave my role, my ability and my confirmed results. If town still want to lynch their watcher there isn't much I can do about that.

[Rugbirn]

IAM,

Two points that refute your logic.
1. If I was a killer, why is XStor alive?
2. How do you explain CD's (Hank) investigation of you?

Oh, I forgot about your wild framer theory. Please tell us you don't believe CD - much more believable!

[Rodion]

*Sighs* This keeps getting worse.

Guys, Rugbirn softclaimed a protective role. He will protect CD tonight.

However, we can't be sure to trust CD's protection solely on Rugbirn because:
a) Rugbirn could be roleblocked (or CD could)
b) Rugbirn could be mafia
c) Rugbirn could be so clueless he isn't a protective role and didn't realize what he has done

Consequently, I still recommend other protective roles to target him (CD) just to be safe. Ideally, a town busdriver, so he is both likely to live and to not be roleblocked.

PCM hates it when I direct town roles, but he's dead anyway!

[Rugbirn]

And what are you doing N2 Rodian?

[StorrZerg]

IAM you weren't a watcher, you were a killer visiting Xstor and your lack of creative defense proves it. I believe CD and since his claim I will

unvote

vote iAmCaffeine

IAC is almost certainly a wathcer... 3 people said they visited me in the night. 2 people confirmed the other 3. it makes 0 sense for a mafia to kill someone they are watching.

[iAmCaffeine]

IAM,

Two points that refute your logic.
1. If I was a killer, why is XStor alive?
2. How do you explain CD's (Hank) investigation of you?

Oh, I forgot about your wild framer theory. Please tell us you don't believe CD - much more believable!

1. I don't know, but I don't know all the power roles either.

2. Not such a wild theory at all given that people are dishing out meth to give powers out.

[Iron Butterfly]

*Sighs* This keeps getting worse.

Guys, Rugbirn softclaimed a protective role. He did no such thing. Even a dim bulb like me can figure out that with two watchers and no death Rugbirn was not trying to kill. That does not however make him a protective role. He could be any number of mafia/third party roles as well. He will protect CD tonight.Doing what?

However, we can't be sure to trust CD's protection solely on Rugbirn because:
a) Rugbirn could be roleblocked (or CD could)
b) Rugbirn could be mafia
c) Rugbirn could be so clueless he isn't a protective role and didn't realize what he has done
These three statements negate your initial "Guys, Rugbirn softclaimed a protective role." So there is no confusion you make this as a statement to say " He will protect CD tonight" What is the point of saying he is a protective role as if it a certainty and then completely contradict yourself the next paragraph?

Consequently, I still recommend other protective roles to target him (CD) just to be safe. Ideally, a town busdriver, so he is both likely to live and to not be roleblocked.

You think? Protect the claimed cop? Good idea seriously...you have been making posts like this all game. They appear to have substance but really don't.

PCM hates it when I direct town roles, but he's dead anyway!

[Rodion]

What?

Rugbirn said that Caffeine visited Stor to kill Stor.
Stor is alive.
Most likely explanation is that Stor got protected.
If Caffeine tried to kill Stor, the watch report must have come from TFO (as in TFO and Caffeine are mafia AND they can daytalk, thus TFO leaked the results for Caffeine to claim watcher).
If 3 people visited Stor and the only unknown action to this point is Rugbirn's, assuming Caffeine tried to kill Stor with Stor actually alive implies Rugbirn did in fact protect him.

Really, it can't get any simpler.

It's not a certainty only because I don't control his thought process and he could be saying something that makes no sense at all, thus option "c". But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Look:

1. If I was a killer, why is XStor alive?

Caffeine can easily reply with the very same question. Rugbin could not have possibly been oblivious to that. The difference is that Caffeine can't say he protected Stor after having claimed watcher, something Rugbirn can to explain why Stor lives should Caffeine revert the question. It's all crystal clear, really.

[StorrZerg]

My comments in Green

What?

Rugbirn said that Caffeine visited Stor to kill Stor.
he can claim that sure, the only way this makes sense is if he is working with TFO
Stor is alive.
Most likely explanation is that Stor got protected.
Most likely explanation is that 2 watchers watched me, TFO (meth ability or w/e) and IAC claim (which was said first) and 1 other person
If Caffeine tried to kill Stor, the watch report must have come from TFO (as in TFO and Caffeine are mafia AND they can daytalk, thus TFO leaked the results for Caffeine to claim watcher).
If 3 people visited Stor and the only unknown action to this point is Rugbirn's, assuming Caffeine tried to kill Stor with Stor actually alive implies Rugbirn did in fact protect him.
Tbh that is a pretty far reach. Thing is, why does IAC kill me, and his buddy TFO watch me? Why stack things?

Really, it can't get any simpler.

It's not a certainty only because I don't control his thought process and he could be saying something that makes no sense at all, thus option "c". But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Look:

1. If I was a killer, why is XStor alive?

Caffeine can easily reply with the very same question. Rugbin could not have possibly been oblivious to that. The difference is that Caffeine can't say he protected Stor after having claimed watcher, something Rugbirn can to explain why Stor lives should Caffeine revert the question. It's all crystal clear, really.

well learn a lot with the IAC lynch sure, i think its a bit far to assume the TFO IAC connecion

[StorrZerg]

ill have some stuff to post on anark lynch latter. some tid bits

super lynch was at 4 to anark 3 at one point
mets aid my first case on super was terrible
few others said wagon was scummy at the time. betico/cooldeals

jonty had the worst reason to vote. "claim was to ealy" ill link it exactly, but it was more anark did a crime in claiming early vs, anark is scum.

mob pushed the wagon back on anark, making it 4 (cool deal hammered to 5)

anark thought betiko was town.

so question, who if you had to pick 2 of the 6 that voted anark would you think look the scummiest from the vote?

[Rodion]

Looks like I wasn't clear. I don't agree with Rugbirn's opinions at all. I'm just saying that his opinions are the opinions of a protective role that targeted Stor or of mafia trying to look like one (they'd make no sense otherwise).

It doesn't make sense to claim Caffeine tried to kill someone who is alive unless you are a protective role that visited that same person (am I really being that hard to follow?).

[strike wolf]

Official Vote Count

iAmCaffeine (6)-Mob Deadly, Gregwolf, Cooldeals, Iron buttefly, superkeener, Rugbirn
Rishaed (1)-Virus90
Gregwolf121 (1)-X-Stor-x,
Cooldeals
Superkeener
Theforgivenone (1)-Jonty125
mob deadly
betiko (1)-Rodion
x-stor-x
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn (1)-iAmCaffeine
Jonty125
Death by Dr. Seuss (1)-Betiko

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is in four days, Monday, March 17th. As of right now under the current rules iAmCaffeine would be lynched at deadline because he is higher than 50% of the required lynch amount.

Also sorry. I hadn't realized it had been so long since my last vote count.

[betiko]

What?

Rugbirn said that Caffeine visited Stor to kill Stor.
Stor is alive.
Most likely explanation is that Stor got protected.

lol seriously? either you haven't followed rugbirn's thought process and theories all games, either you are deliberately missguiding us.

[betiko]

Official Vote Count

iAmCaffeine (6)-Mob Deadly, Gregwolf, Cooldeals, Iron buttefly, superkeener, Rugbirn
Rishaed (1)-Virus90
Gregwolf121 (1)-X-Stor-x,
Cooldeals
Superkeener
Theforgivenone (1)-Jonty125
mob deadly
betiko (1)-Rodion
x-stor-x
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn (1)-iAmCaffeine
Jonty125
Death by Dr. Seuss (1)-Betiko

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is in four days, Monday, March 17th. As of right now under the current rules iAmCaffeine would be lynched at deadline because he is higher than 50% of the required lynch amount.

Also sorry. I hadn't realized it had been so long since my last vote count.

unvote!!!!! lol

ok so jonty has this meth post restriction (maybe an action tonight?) but can still vote and tfo is telling the truth (that would ve been the worse lie ever in a mafia game!! lol)

ok, I'm kind of fine with ending the day here.

rodion: so you really think there are 3 killing roles at night? or that stor was mafia targeted and bused with PCM or something?

[Rodion]

Unvote.

Wow, people really seem to have missed what I said.

Again, in bullet points.

1 - I don't think Stor was targeted for a NK.
2 - Rugbirn thinks Stor was targeted for a NK.
3 - I was using that thought from Rugbirn to explain to everyone why Rugbirn softclaimed a protective role (because if he didn't protect Stor, it would be absurd to say Caffeine tried to kill him, since Stor is alive).

[betiko]

Unvote.

Wow, people really seem to have missed what I said.

Again, in bullet points.

1 - I don't think Stor was targeted for a NK.
2 - Rugbirn thinks Stor was targeted for a NK.
3 - I was using that thought from Rugbirn to explain to everyone why Rugbirn softclaimed a protective role (because if he didn't protect Stor, it would be absurd to say Caffeine tried to kill him, since Stor is alive).

I'm sorry but I will not start a thought process based on rugbirn"s thought process and take it for granted. if rugbirn thinks that stor was targeted, it doesn't mean that he visited him to protect him, it doesn't mean he didn't do it either. not sure this is something we should discuss in here anyway.

[StorrZerg]

why was betiko on that vote?
explain?

it would be nice to start day 3 on monday or tues

[betiko]

why was betiko on that vote?
explain?

it would be nice to start day 3 on monday or tues

just looks like a joke from strike. I voted strike for jest (didn't put it in colour though) and he casted my vote there in return for jest i guess