[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[Rugbirn]

@MoB I'm not blaming you, it just seems that this wagon in going downhill and is unstopable. Yet no-one will look at TFO. No, I am not VT

@Rishead. Anyone can claim they got methed. Which is exactly what TFO did in order to cover his poisonoing actiion N1 on XStor, I gave you the sequence of action. Why do you think TFO explained his night action when no one asked him?

[Rodion]

It's stoppable if you claim. If you don't, Virus and Greg will vote and you'll get lynched. Only reason they didn't vote yet was to allow you time to claim.

By the way, did we hear from Jonty today?

[Rugbirn]

O.K. rodion, you seem pretty smart. How do you explain TFO's explaining, when not asked, why he "watched" XStor? No one gives info without being pressed unless trying to cover-up. Am I wrong about that?

[Rugbirn]

It's stoppable if you claim. If you don't, Virus and Greg will vote and you'll get lynched. Only reason they didn't vote yet was to allow you time to claim.

By the way, did we hear from Jonty today?

You mean Jesse, the meth giver?

[betiko]

I saw jonty check the thread this morning.

Rug, just go ahead and claim. On day 1, anark claimed VT which is the most acceptable loss for town, we gambled.
On day 2, caff had a very weak claim and we didn t believe him. And we were right.
If you don t claim there is no chance you get away with it. If you claim, even you have a chance to get your life spared. The more you avoid answering, the fishier it looks.

Fp

[MoB Deadly]

Rugbirn you are claiming a meth giver?
Who did you give meth to last night?

[jonty125]

Rugbirn you are claiming a meth giver?
Who did you give meth to last night?

Unless I methed something Rugbrin is poisoner, so claim time. Yeah I checked the forum earlier, but was only passing through to keep an eye on my game, and waited until now when I had more time, to post in case I needed to post a thesis.

[betiko]

Rugbirn you are claiming a meth giver?
Who did you give meth to last night?

he is not, he is claiming jonty is jesse the meth giver if i'm right, which is not really the best he could do to improve his case

[Rugbirn]

Does it really matter at this point Betty?

[MoB Deadly]

Dude jonty, you need to stop taking meth before you get addicted

[betiko]

Does it really matter at this point Betty?

well
1) you are mafia/cartel and you are not very inspired to get out of this one
2) you are town, dea or 3rd party and can tell us what you did, which would lead us to think TFO is the poisoner.

If it's case number 2, you are double screwing town/dea/third parties; as it would mean that TFO is a poisoner, will live one more day and we would have killed you for no reason.

FP

[betiko]

so he did disapear? rugbirn you couldn't look scummier than now. if you aren't the poisoner and it's TFO, you really are a donkey really. and if you outed jonty because you know something, unless you are scum you are a double donkey.

[TheForgivenOne]

O.K. rodion, you seem pretty smart. How do you explain TFO's explaining, when not asked, why he "watched" XStor? No one gives info without being pressed unless trying to cover-up. Am I wrong about that?

Did you also notice the fact I had no vote yesterday, aka, I tried to vote Jonty and it didn't count? I didn't lie about receiving Meth, nor lie about having a lack of vote. You'll also notice MoB received Meth today, has a lack of vote, and received a random night action for it. Is it my fault I received a Watch as my random action?

I've at least explained why I visited x-stor-x (Although you think I poisoned him), yet you won't claim your role or why you were visiting him.

Also, if you are claiming Jonty is the meth giver, I'm pretty sure you're lying.

FP x 3

[jonty125]

Also, if you are claiming Jonty is the meth giver, I'm pretty sure you're lying.

So am I, unless I've forgotten my real role due to meth.

I would vote you Rugbrin, but that means you could end up been lynched "too early", lets try and get a bit more life out of D3, so I'll vote gregwolf because a) there was a very good case from X-Stor-X, and b) a bit of WIFOM that X-Stor-X died last night, but my main reason is a).

[betiko]

Also, if you are claiming Jonty is the meth giver, I'm pretty sure you're lying.

So am I, unless I've forgotten my real role due to meth.

I would vote you Rugbrin, but that means you could end up been lynched "too early", lets try and get a bit more life out of D3, so I'll vote gregwolf because a) there was a very good case from X-Stor-X, and b) a bit of WIFOM that X-Stor-X died last night, but my main reason is a).

He was my initial target but

A) rugbirn proves you can be at L-2 without claiming and getting away with it
B) greg or whoever we pressure can now just do the same

I stay on rugbin, and honestly we should give him a day to claim. We are losing all credibility and if he is so embarassed to claim it will be a good choice anyway.

[Metsfanmax]

I'll certainly put him at L-1 if he doesn't claim, even if no one else wants to.

[Rugbirn]

I'll claim tomorrow (what's the rush - unless you are mafia), but need to get something straighten out with Strike first. Meantime, I'm still waiting for someone to take an objective look at my defense instead of just jumping onboard the wagon. Beside, once I claim, you'll not believe me anyway, if you won't analyze my defense up to this point.

[betiko]

I'll claim tomorrow (what's the rush - unless you are mafia), but need to get something straighten out with Strike first. Meantime, I'm still waiting for someone to take an objective look at my defense instead of just jumping onboard the wagon. Beside, once I claim, you'll not believe me anyway, if you won't analyze my defense up to this point.

Well that will be up to us to believe you or not. You don t need strike to tell us the truth (you might need him to ask him questions about your fakeclaim), the more you wait the more you make it look like a lie. If you are a third party, you are playing terribly.

And yes there is rush because you are blocking the game completely right now. Why would it be scummy to want you to claim now and not tomorrow? Tell the truth now, the more you wait the more it will be perceived as bullshit.

[Rugbirn]

I've told the truth the whole game, and I will tell it tomorrow. Granted, I my not have played it as well as some, but be-littling me is not going to make me play better or change my mind about things. Like I've said, if someone comes up with a hole in my defense, I'll talk about it, otherwise, you'll have to wait till tomorrow or lynch me tonight - your choice. Just remember who's doing the lynching when you find out who I really am.

[Rugbirn]

As I remember, D2 there was no rush to lynch IAM. We discussed 2 days worth of other possibilites before we lynched IAM. It seems like everyone is completely focused on me. I realize it is the easiest thing to do, but whatever role I am, there are more non-townies out there that need to be discovered.

[betiko]

I've told the truth the whole game, and I will tell it tomorrow. Granted, I my not have played it as well as some, but be-littling me is not going to make me play better or change my mind about things. Like I've said, if someone comes up with a hole in my defense, I'll talk about it, otherwise, you'll have to wait till tomorrow or lynch me tonight - your choice. Just remember who's doing the lynching when you find out who I really am.

This has nothing to do with a game as you should expect the same from people as you do in real life. TFO told us what he did and his story fits. He also has a few things that concretely back it up.

A) he was the first to mention the meth mechanism
B) he tried to vote and it was proved that his vote could not count

We don t know anything about you, and you seem very worried to tell us and assume that as soon as we know we would kill you.

This is like real life. Imagine your parents know for sure either you or your brother broke a vase in the living room as only you 2 accessed the house the day it was broken. Your brother says he was sleeping at a friend s house and can prove it. You don t want to say what you did, you just say that if you tell the truth you ll get grounded, and ask for 1 day to tell your version of the story and that you need to talk to grandma first. But that we are not even considering it could be your brother!
Are you seriously that naïve??

Fp

[betiko]

As I remember, D2 there was no rush to lynch IAM. We discussed 2 days worth of other possibilites before we lynched IAM. It seems like everyone is completely focused on me. I realize it is the easiest thing to do, but whatever role I am, there are more non-townies out there that need to be discovered.

This has nothing to do. Caff claimed when he had to claim and tried his luck. Not only the claim was fishy, but he got a guilty result from a claimed cop. It was clear that the only way his day could end was with a lynch. We only have a limited amount of time for each day phase, and the idea is to consider different cases. The more you wait, the less time we will have to put your case in ballance with other cases. Xstor was poisoned, so either you or tfo did it. We have his version of the events but not yours. What kind of defense is that??

[Rugbirn]

Betty, if you want to beleive TFO's story, that's up to you. However, we know that XStor was poisoned and that 3 visited him. Maybe TSO was methed, and maybe he did lose his voting power, but he was not a watcher. He "ironically" (his words - not mine) claimed to be a watcher, after two other visitors verified that three visited. If XStor was poisoned N1, he was the poisoner. Also, no one and I repeat, no one has even attempted to explain why TSO told us the reason he visited XStor N1 - when nobody asked him. Additional info in this game is mis-leading info as a rule.

I am not worried about you killing me after I claim. I will be a targeted from the other side.
Keeping coming at me Betty, but it's going to make you look bad when the truth comes out.

[betiko]

Betty, if you want to beleive TFO's story, that's up to you. However, we know that XStor was poisoned and that 3 visited him. Maybe TSO was methed, and maybe he did lose his voting power, but he was not a watcher. He "ironically" (his words - not mine) claimed to be a watcher, after two other visitors verified that three visited. If XStor was poisoned N1, he was the poisoner. Also, no one and I repeat, no one has even attempted to explain why TSO told us the reason he visited XStor N1 - when nobody asked him. Additional info in this game is mis-leading info as a rule.

I am not worried about you killing me after I claim. I will be a targeted from the other side.
Keeping coming at me Betty, but it's going to make you look bad when the truth comes out.

HIS STORY FITS. Your words: we will want to lynch you when you claim.
Are you fucking serious? How are we not supposed to go after you? Town putting you at l-2 gives you no choice, cut the crap, will you?

[betiko]

I'll claim tomorrow (what's the rush - unless you are mafia), but need to get something straighten out with Strike first. Meantime, I'm still waiting for someone to take an objective look at my defense instead of just jumping onboard the wagon. Beside, once I claim, you'll not believe me anyway, if you won't analyze my defense up to this point.

If we don t believe you once you claim, it s town you need to worry about, not the mafia.