Re: (GON 3rd game)Town wins. Day 5

[SiriusCowKing]

I forgot to put my 2 parts together, this was the first part:
Before I start writing I want to clarify that I am tired and exhausted. I got a very long very crappy day, and by the look it will be like that for the rest of the week.

This is now getting super interesting! I have to go back and review everything again. But, based on the fact that I know I'm a cool town chick, I'm now going to go back and see who it is that wants to lynch me. The fact that Crown is so keen to say I'm scummy, makes me think he might be scummy.

I like picking on Crown and he knows that! Also, Sirius is on my list because he was quick to defend me and be my ally - which means he is either a brilliant townie (which could be true) or he is scummy.

More to come after I do a thorough investigation. Although, can't we just wound a few mafia guys and keep them in the game - that sound like lot's more fun! Maybe cutoff an arm or leg?

I try to help a noob so that everyone can have fun and that you would play again next game, and apparently I am scum for it. Geez, thanks. You know what, why don't you defend yourself.

Still relatively new to this, and I have been against getting a lot of claims, especially early. Having said that, I think TC has an educated list of claims to go after. Early on, I had Moo in my somewhat trusted inner circle, along with TC, DB4, Tuffy, and Gabs. I didn't like Moo's advice to Mookie at the time. It does make him look very suspicious. Tuffy, it looks like you have your suspicions about me, and that is fine. I'm lookin to flush out another mafia goon.
Vote Sirius

So what advice should I gave him? Don't vote for him, let yourself die. In fact, vote for yourself so you may be killed to save someone that you are not even sure if he is a townie or not.

Spoiler

My gut tells me that the town should target non-newbs for voting... And it looks like the experienced players are starting to divide into two camps:

Camp A
Crown
Gab
Kill


Camp B
King Ed
Sirius


The are other players who it seems have experience but have not aligned completely in thought with others, and several noobs(like me) who still don't have a handle on things:
Tuffy
DB4
Just
Legion
Joak
mookie
charm

Crown's thoughts and list of each player seemed legit in every way, so I am inclinded to be more suspisious of King Ed and Sirius. Maybe they could post to defend themselves or give alternative "scum" options? I dont want to just hop on a bandwagon and vote Sirius just yet, his advise to me may have been scummy, but it also may have saved my life.

What the hell did I do to be in the same camp than King Ed 3rd?

[mookiemcgee]

Well your both kings(your about to be anyway) JOKE

I guess i lumped you together based on TC posts... Perhaps unfairly. But like I've been saying I dont want to, and have not voted for you today. I did on the first day, basically randomly picking a vet as I had no idea of how the game is played and I think you had already voted for me (although you said it was just to get me to talk)

Outside of Charm, until your last post no one has really had any doubts about TC being mafia... I'm so confused, and in reading bantams old posts I still dont see the subtle hints that he was a town power role... Hopefully i've written enough messages this time so you don't all accuse me of being overly silent. I'f you have another reason to vote for me go for it... I'm fairly certain I'm not voting at all this round(day)

[Killuminati19]

[quote="Bantam"]Kill,
I must apologise for my language as well and calling you an arsehole - not very good - got frustrated with the lack of people not getting that I was town with a night role despite my clues. Anyway shake hands - move on - Onwards and upwards.....

And I'm still watching - from beyond the grave........

No offense taken Bantam, it was my fault.

@mookie, nothing personal, but you are suspect. I don't want to be associated with suspect.

Moo brought forth a compelling defense. I do go back to your advice to Mookie. You had to know that a mookie vote on Bantam would drop the hammer.

[charm]

All this back and forth is making my head hurt! Aren't we supposed to have some kind of murder mystery going on?
I'm not going to vote for anyone until I see some good clues and I don't want to read back through 32 pages of he said this and voted because of that. I think the scary clown is scummy

I'm making a Camp C - The Smart People Unite!
Anyone can be part of Camp C as long as they admit they are Townie and that I should be the Queen (only kidding)!!
Now I need to do some frolicking - is there a water fountain in this town?

VOTE RONALD McD!

[mookiemcgee]

If i'm suspect can you elaborate on why?

[Gabsensei]

Spoiler

Ok, here goes...person by person:

Sirius = 80% scummy looking to me. He is helpful with game tips... but then there is reality. He votes for a person even after he just voted for them, and also unvotes twice.... now, he is either forgetful, or trying to make sure everyone sees what he is doing... to try to sway them and convince he is townie. He tried too hard to get the Bantam lynch rolling a few times. What really did if for me was when he wanted to pursue Archer after it was known that archer was gone for 3 days. He seems to be taking advantage wherever he can to get a townie lynched. And Sirius doesn't always do his own dirty work.... look who helped convince mookie to vote on Bantam....the one vote that killed Bantam...

Is voting for Bantam just so I don't get lynched considered a valid reason or would that be considered scummy?

I would consider that a very valid reason. Self preservation is a good reason for anyone.

I may be off here, but Sirius is up high on my radar... he has twice as many scumtells as anyone else on my list. You be the judge.

TheCrown = 100% town. I talk a lot. I deduce a lot. I blame a lot. I am probably the #1 target for mafia to hit at night, so if anyone has night protections, please consider helping me out.

Well first I want to say kudos for putting you in your own list and giving you 100% townie, whatever.

- I voted for bantam because he was the first veteran on my list, otherwise I would have voted AFK. I wasn't sure so I wrote you have 3 days to make me change my mind, page 14.
- Bantam talked but I wasn't sure about him so I didn't unvoted.
- Bantam finally hinted at his role on page 23, I wasn't sure if he was telling the truth because his post was quite vague, but I did unvote on page 24. This was already the last day before the time limit.
- Gabsensei suggest that we lynch another veteran on my list, as archer was on his own list too, so I got for it on page 25. Running out of time, this seemed to be the only option viable since I didn't wanted to lynch bantam anymore. I wanted to give him a try since page 24.
- The post right after that, TC rise doubts about Bantam again saying he claimed regular townie with a power role.
- I unvoted archer on page 26 after TC pointed out that archer was already gone for the weekend and could not defend himself before the time limit. I didn't knew about that, but thought it was unfair once I learned about it, that's why I unvoted.

And the end of day came, bantam got lynched. I don't know why you think this is suspect. If the fact that I voted and unvoted twice in a day is scummy for you, maybe you should take a look at TC. In fact, while I was writing this and looking back for page references, I found that TC claims that Bantam was not on his list, while he actually voted for him before I even did. More than that, he seem to be raising a lot of suspicions on a lot of people almost every page. I usually like TheCrown's thinking, but he looks like he tries to blame a lot and make sure everyone is too busy to realize what he did. Now that I think about it, every lead he pushed in the first mafia game led to a townie, and he even lynched me in the first game after I posted a great list containing all the bad guys in a single post. Even better, he never pursued anyone on my list and lost the next day.

I am already running out of time, because there are so many accusations on me all I could have time to do is defend myself, so I won't be making a list of suspect right now. But one thing for sure, TC is at the top of my list. I vote TC. Either you are wrong, or you are deliberately trying to push me out of the game. Are you afraid of my detective skills maybe?

on that defense i have to say your point are as goos as any other have and for now i will unvote

Spoiler

I guess I can make my recommendations on what I would do now. I would get 2 claims, possibly 3.

Sirius
charm
King Ed

I would be more inclined to want to get Sirius and King Ed to claim so I know what they are up to. Charm is harmless for now, IMO, but she's on my scum list for sure.

Tc. if you are truly a townie you don't want me to claim now. The bodyguard is gone that only leaves the doc as protection. Well I'm off to my remodeling side job since my town job doesn't pay enough for all that I do for the town.

well kingare you saying you are the doc or that you have a power role which would need protection more then tc? i dont know but untill you answer i will place my vote on you vote king edward 3rd

[TheCrown]

What Sirius wrote is In bold big letters.... my writing is in PURPLE

- The post right after that, TC rise doubts about Bantam again saying he claimed regular townie with a power role.
- I unvoted archer on page 26 after TC pointed out that archer was already gone for the weekend and could not defend himself before the time limit. I didn't knew about that, but thought it was unfair once I learned about it, that's why I unvoted.
But archer posted himself that he would be gone, IN THE MAFIA THREAD....this is skimming to me... seems rather important that you should remember such facts when they are presented... and you got caught so you backed down... convenient?

Spoiler

Credible no.....but on day 1 with no more to go on, it comes down to suspicions, responses and activity. There seems to be some scattered consensus on at least 6.
Bant, Archer, H8, Mook, Charm and Joak. 4 Newbs, 2 Vets. I know you don't agree, but I do see that you made an argument to Archer regarding the benefit of voting and the resulting positive effects. Not a peep in response.....????

How often do you expect me to check this thread?...lol. I am at work and posting on my phone. I have said my peace and I don't really get crown's reasoning because the object of the game is to keep the townies alive. While I do agree it is easier to find scum when there are less townies around you still don't want to sacrifice townies when you aren't gaining much from it. I'd rather have better odds on finding scum day 2 than randomly lynching someone day 1. I'm a numbers guy and I think it's beneficial for some night actions to occur before we ring someone up. It's guess it's just a different unpopular view unfortunately for me. I wish it were a more popular view cause a lot of people don't agree which puts attention on me.

Just an FYI, I'm going to be in Vegas the next 3 days but will try on be on here as much as I can.

And the end of day came, bantam got lynched. I don't know why you think this is suspect. If the fact that I voted and unvoted twice in a day is scummy for you, maybe you should take a look at TC. In fact, while I was writing this and looking back for page references, I found that TC claims that Bantam was not on his list, while he actually voted for him before I even did.
I never voted Bantam in this game... EVER! More lies!!!
More than that, he seem to be raising a lot of suspicions on a lot of people almost every page. I usually like TheCrown's thinking, but he looks like he tries to blame a lot and make sure everyone is too busy to realize what he did. Now that I think about it, every lead he pushed in the first mafia game led to a townie, and he even lynched me in the first game after I posted a great list containing all the bad guys in a single post. Even better, he never pursued anyone on my list and lost the next day.
Mistake trying to bring actions from a prior game to this one. What does one have to do with another? And what is it that "he did"?? and you're referring to me...

I am already running out of time, because there are so many accusations on me all I could have time to do is defend myself, so I won't be making a list of suspect right now. But one thing for sure, TC is at the top of my list. I vote TC. Either you are wrong, or you are deliberately trying to push me out of the game. Are you afraid of my detective skills maybe?[/quote]

And you finish it off by voting me in retaliation. Perfect! Now I'm 99% convinced you are scum...skimming, lies, and retaliation based on nothing but anger. Find something on me, I dare you to.

(No one worry, I still love Sirius, but think I have caught him as scum in this game, so none of this is anger...just fun)

[TheCrown]

And I believe the following have claimed a night action

King Ed = joak is innocent
TheCrown = Gabs is innocent

I don't think King Ed being a doctor would help him find someone innocent, so I think he is something else, and maybe we need to look elsewhere for now.

Both of us though want to keep what we did as a secretive thing as it would help the town in doing so.

[TheCrown]

@Tuffy.... I said I would reveal much on the real life next day, and in real life my car was gone. The next day I posted my feelings on everyone and who I suspected. Does that answer your question?

[Gabsensei]

And I believe the following have claimed a night action

King Ed = joak is innocent
TheCrown = Gabs is innocent

I don't think King Ed being a doctor would help him find someone innocent, so I think he is something else, and maybe we need to look elsewhere for now.

Both of us though want to keep what we did as a secretive thing as it would help the town in doing so.

this is what i think but the way his message was it was as to say he was doctor i only want more info on that and only after i will unvote i dont really think he is that scummy as to be lynch only want specification on that

[joak]

I'm thinking charm..she doesn't really say anything constructive now and could be covering up her actions by trying to joke her way through with random posts ... Where's legion gone? Is he away buying a new weapon lol

[Killuminati19]

@ Mookie

From my perspective only, you were the hammer vote on Bantam. I know you explained yourself and your reasons were valid. Aside from that, I am fairly confident that Tuffy, Gabs, DB4, and TC are townie. I am not saying you are suspect # 1, but with at least 3 mafia members remaining, I'm not sure about you.

[crasp]

12 players it takes 7 to lynch.Next deadline. Wed 2nd April. 23.59 Central Alba time.

Vote Count
Sirius- Kill, Crown 2
mookie- King-ed, 1
Crown- Sirius 1
King ed- Gabseni 1
7 days to go.

[SiriusCowKing]

@TC

So many things got said in a single day, I actually missed the archer post saying he would be gone for 3 days. To be honest I thought he sent you a PM or something. By the way it was not in big bold letters like you did, page 20 for those who want to see it. And I have no idea why you say I got caught, my intentions were clear and my reasons to vote too.

You are right on not voting bantam, I mistook you with legionnare. You have to understand that I am still sick and it's hard to find the time and energy to play mafia in the first place, let alone think clearly about it. But it's true that you keep throwing accusations and it's all you did all game. You did push bantam further on page 24 and kept at it on page 25. For someone who never had bantam on his list you do look against him there.

All I'm saying is that you have a history of lynching townies, and now you are raging in big bold letters on me. I can see a game pattern here.

You say I'm rage voting for you, but you're the one raging. I'm not voting you because you voted me, otherwise I would have had more than you to vote on. I vote for you because you are seriously trying to make a lot of people look like scum in this game, which is actually number 4 of the things that make you think people are scummy in your own list. Some people I am not sure of their alignment, you I am sure.

Anyway, I'm tired and I have more work to do. I don't think I'll log in tonight on the mafia game, maybe tomorrow.

[TheCrown]

@TC

So many things got said in a single day, I actually missed the archer post saying he would be gone for 3 days. To be honest I thought he sent you a PM or something. By the way it was not in big bold letters like you did, page 20 for those who want to see it. And I have no idea why you say I got caught, my intentions were clear and my reasons to vote too.

You are right on not voting bantam, I mistook you with legionnare. You have to understand that I am still sick and it's hard to find the time and energy to play mafia in the first place, let alone think clearly about it. But it's true that you keep throwing accusations and it's all you did all game. You did push bantam further on page 24 and kept at it on page 25. For someone who never had bantam on his list you do look against him there.

All I'm saying is that you have a history of lynching townies, and now you are raging in big bold letters on me. I can see a game pattern here.

You say I'm rage voting for you, but you're the one raging. I'm not voting you because you voted me, otherwise I would have had more than you to vote on. I vote for you because you are seriously trying to make a lot of people look like scum in this game, which is actually number 4 of the things that make you think people are scummy in your own list. Some people I am not sure of their alignment, you I am sure.

Anyway, I'm tired and I have more work to do. I don't think I'll log in tonight on the mafia game, maybe tomorrow.

1. I am not "raging", but just make the letters big and bold so everyone can see what I am referring to.
2. You could be seen as skimming, but of course it could be innocent... and if you were scum, you would want it to look innocent.
3. I rightfully pushed Bantam to see if I needed to stick up for him... but I needed the full truth, not some half-claim. I prefer straight out answers to questions, not "hints" at a person's role when they are supposed to be claiming everything. I needed to know what his night role was to see if he was serious or not. That is far from "voting" him.
4. I am trying to point out the scummy activity in this game. Legion claimed without being pressured to. I voted him. Charm starting accusing me with no back-up evidence, and she did other shifty activities. I voted charm. H8 and joak was silent, I voted them to get them in playing and talking, nothing more. I voted H8 a 2nd time... and he probably deserved it. H8 was scum.
5. Sirius, I thought nothing of you in day one until I made a review of day 1 when day 2 started. You have more supposed scum slips than anyone by far, and even though I may be wrong here, I take that as a sign.

In the end, I will follow any other lead others have, if no one wants Sirius to claim. I am fallable obviously, but I say we get a claim from Sirius and move on. Charm and legion are still on my watch list if we want to go that route. As far as King Ed is concerned, we may let him live today and he needs to prove he is valuable. Maybe someone has a role that can check him out.

[Gabsensei]

@TC

So many things got said in a single day, I actually missed the archer post saying he would be gone for 3 days. To be honest I thought he sent you a PM or something. By the way it was not in big bold letters like you did, page 20 for those who want to see it. And I have no idea why you say I got caught, my intentions were clear and my reasons to vote too.

You are right on not voting bantam, I mistook you with legionnare. You have to understand that I am still sick and it's hard to find the time and energy to play mafia in the first place, let alone think clearly about it. But it's true that you keep throwing accusations and it's all you did all game. You did push bantam further on page 24 and kept at it on page 25. For someone who never had bantam on his list you do look against him there.

All I'm saying is that you have a history of lynching townies, and now you are raging in big bold letters on me. I can see a game pattern here.

You say I'm rage voting for you, but you're the one raging. I'm not voting you because you voted me, otherwise I would have had more than you to vote on. I vote for you because you are seriously trying to make a lot of people look like scum in this game, which is actually number 4 of the things that make you think people are scummy in your own list. Some people I am not sure of their alignment, you I am sure.

Anyway, I'm tired and I have more work to do. I don't think I'll log in tonight on the mafia game, maybe tomorrow.

1. I am not "raging", but just make the letters big and bold so everyone can see what I am referring to.
2. You could be seen as skimming, but of course it could be innocent... and if you were scum, you would want it to look innocent.
3. I rightfully pushed Bantam to see if I needed to stick up for him... but I needed the full truth, not some half-claim. I prefer straight out answers to questions, not "hints" at a person's role when they are supposed to be claiming everything. I needed to know what his night role was to see if he was serious or not. That is far from "voting" him.
4. I am trying to point out the scummy activity in this game. Legion claimed without being pressured to. I voted him. Charm starting accusing me with no back-up evidence, and she did other shifty activities. I voted charm. H8 and joak was silent, I voted them to get them in playing and talking, nothing more. I voted H8 a 2nd time... and he probably deserved it. H8 was scum.
5. Sirius, I thought nothing of you in day one until I made a review of day 1 when day 2 started. You have more supposed scum slips than anyone by far, and even though I may be wrong here, I take that as a sign.

In the end, I will follow any other lead others have, if no one wants Sirius to claim. I am fallable obviously, but I say we get a claim from Sirius and move on. Charm and legion are still on my watch list if we want to go that route. As far as King Ed is concerned, we may let him live today and he needs to prove he is valuable. Maybe someone has a role that can check him out.

like i said i have suspicion on sirius and still looking at charm and king legion and joak are getting high in my list need to hear more but for now i want an answer from king and when i have it i will be moving on maybe sirius if people are still on his case

[TuffyLess]

@Tuffy.... I said I would reveal much on the real life next day, and in real life my car was gone. The next day I posted my feelings on everyone and who I suspected. Does that answer your question?

lol - why in the world would you have spent the night on Gab?
But anyway yeh it does - you've shed some light on where there was none.

And I believe the following have claimed a night action

King Ed = joak is innocent
TheCrown = Gabs is innocent

I don't think King Ed being a doctor would help him find someone innocent, so I think he is something else, and maybe we need to look elsewhere for now.

Both of us though want to keep what we did as a secretive thing as it would help the town in doing so.

Thats not bad; lost 2 night power roles already (Bodyguard & Watcher) and still have at least 2 reports to draw from.

Plus, I really do think too there is still a 3rd out there.
Isnt there less chance for there being a 2nd mafia? - how is H8's death explainable?

Possibilites:
mafia and a vigilante
2 mafias
mafia and a serial killer
mafia and some other weird type of night killer (cannibal)

If we have a town vigilante, I hope they stop killing at night unless they are better sure of themselves.

So we kill a Townie w/ power role, Archer dies protecting someone and H8 is killed by someone else.
I'm willing to bet we have a Townie Vigilante not sure who that would be.

I agree with legionarre I also think we have a Townie Vigilante & I agree with Tc they better be sure who they are targeting.

like i said i have suspicion on sirius and still looking at charm and king legion and joak are getting high in my list need to hear more but for now i want an answer from king and when i have it i will be moving on maybe sirius if people are still on his case

King & joak.
ok - why? Just curious.

and ... Ive noticed legion's untimely disappearance too.

[TuffyLess]

@Tuffy.... I said I would reveal much on the real life next day, and in real life my car was gone. The next day I posted my feelings on everyone and who I suspected. Does that answer your question?

lol - why in the world would you have spent the night on Gab?
But anyway yeh it does - you've shed some light on where there was none.

And I believe the following have claimed a night action

King Ed = joak is innocent
TheCrown = Gabs is innocent

I don't think King Ed being a doctor would help him find someone innocent, so I think he is something else, and maybe we need to look elsewhere for now.

Both of us though want to keep what we did as a secretive thing as it would help the town in doing so.

Thats not bad; lost 2 night power roles already (Bodyguard & Watcher) and still have at least 2 reports to draw from.

Plus, I really do think too there is still a 3rd out there.
Isnt there less chance for there being a 2nd mafia? - how is H8's death explainable?

Possibilites:
mafia and a vigilante
2 mafias
mafia and a serial killer
mafia and some other weird type of night killer (cannibal)

If we have a town vigilante, I hope they stop killing at night unless they are better sure of themselves.

So we kill a Townie w/ power role, Archer dies protecting someone and H8 is killed by someone else.
I'm willing to bet we have a Townie Vigilante not sure who that would be.

I agree with legionarre I also think we have a Townie Vigilante & I agree with Tc they better be sure who they are targeting.

like i said i have suspicion on sirius and still looking at charm and king legion and joak are getting high in my list need to hear more but for now i want an answer from king and when i have it i will be moving on maybe sirius if people are still on his case

King & joak.
ok - why? Just curious.

and ... Ive noticed legion's untimely disappearance too.

[TuffyLess]

oops

[TheCrown]

I could explain H8's death if I needed to.

[legionnare]

Joak and Tuffy this is from page 32 (the previous page) untimely disappearance?

Well TC and Gab's posts were convincing, I've got them pegged as Townie so will trust their opinions ATM. Charm still seems suspicious to me, she seems to have dropped some of the quirky randomness in her posts now that the heat has been turned on her for a bit. I will wait for Sirius' response to TC and Gab before changing my mind on him I still want to believe he is Town. So for the moment unvote

FP'd by KE3

Yes I have been posting less, I am watching the argument between Sirius and TC develop as I am certain one is Scum and am trying to see if I can find a crack in either's argument. Each make's good points about the other which are then defended well, it's a hard choice. I am trying to think of a way to decide.

More to come soon(ish)

Oh and Joak, it's an axe, a big shiny twinbladed, rune-encrusted axe.

[charm]

I'm super confused!
Is this all we do back and forth for the next week?
Are we going to get more story or am I just totally missing something?
Can we ask each other and the moderator specific questions?
Like TC do you own a gun and what kind? Where were you on Saturday night?
Any guidance or suggested reading would be most appreciated!

[charm]

Oh, and Sirius, any suggestions from you I am going to assume you are just being a "gentle king."

[Gabsensei]

i think of king only cuz of some replay he made on day one but he seen more and more ok still need to hear from him and after i will be alright

for joak is only because he was acting as to be on the same side as h8 for a while i know its not alot but i still need him to prove me he is not scummy annd he doesnt talk that much either

[joak]

I really don't know where that's coming from I post as much as others and again I have never mentioned H8 apart from my pleasure in seeing him deed...other folk seemed to link him with me but god knows why, he voted for me after all I'm not voting cos right now I can't seem to trust anyone and I nearly contributed to bantams demise and don't want to do that again