The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[Jmac1026]

Butterfly u can vote the way u want.why thank you. U r just vote me because I have a gut feeling.No I base my gut reactions on given information. You based your gut reaction on someone elses information. I am obviously not alone in feeling this way. I read I compare.I ask you...what did you read and what did you compare to draw your conclusions. I try to make the right choices

You did not answer my question at all. I asked you why you believe jonty is Scum and why you believe anark is Town

Vote Roger Dodger.

I really don't like the way he's been playing. Bandwagoning, poor (no) reasonings for the things he has said or done, and his participation has done nothing to further the conversation or cases in constructive ways.

That being said, I'd support a Anark lynch if the case was made for one. Claiming with only two votes? Come on man! You're acting like amateur hour at the Apollo.

[StorrZerg]

do you not have the ability to make your own cases jmac?

[Anarkistsdream]

Butterfly u can vote the way u want.why thank you. U r just vote me because I have a gut feeling.No I base my gut reactions on given information. You based your gut reaction on someone elses information. I am obviously not alone in feeling this way. I read I compare.I ask you...what did you read and what did you compare to draw your conclusions. I try to make the right choices

You did not answer my question at all. I asked you why you believe jonty is Scum and why you believe anark is Town

Vote Roger Dodger.

I really don't like the way he's been playing. Bandwagoning, poor (no) reasonings for the things he has said or done, and his participation has done nothing to further the conversation or cases in constructive ways.

That being said, I'd support a Anark lynch if the case was made for one. Claiming with only two votes? Come on man! You're acting like amateur hour at the Apollo.

Good God... You just described yourself... That is the stuff I pointed out already. Thanks for proving my point. Sigh

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 1.4

Anarkistsdream (0):
HotShot53 (1): spiesr
Iron Butterfly (0):
jak111 (2): jonty125, rishaed
Jmac1026 (0):
jonty125 (5): X-Stor-X, Whatsausage, Roger Dodger, jak111, Anarkistsdream
kgb007 (0):
Lootifer (0):
MudPuppy (0):
rishaed (0):
Roger Dodger (2): Iron Butterfly, Jmac1026
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
Whatsausage (0):
X-Stor-X (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: virus90, MudPuppy, kgb007, Lootifer, HotShot53

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch. If 8 votes are not reached by the deadline, then the first player with 6+ votes will be lynched.

Deadline for Day 1 is April 03, 2014.

[Roger Dodger]

Just cause the post sounds scummy? U put a lot of thought into that huh butterfly. For the record and so u all can stop referring to me as a he , I am in fact a female. Ok. Been my gamer name since 2006. Why would Anark fight so hard to not get voted out. I didn't bandwagon. If u look back i was one of the first to vote jonty. " amateur night at the apollo" really? The best talent was found on amateur night at the apollo. That was a poor choice of words on your part. Wow.

[Iron Butterfly]

Just cause the post sounds scummy?Yes..and i explained why U put a lot of thought into that huh butterfly.Apparantly more thought then when you spell "You" as U...but thats besides the point For the record and so u all can stop referring to me as a he , I am in fact a female.My apologies. I do not know alot of guys who go by Laura either. Ok. Been my gamer name since 2006. Why would Anark fight so hard to not get voted out. I didn't bandwagon. If u look back i was one of the first to vote jonty. " amateur night at the apollo" really? The best talent was found on amateur night at the apollo. That was a poor choice of words on your part. Wow.

Actually that was Anarchs quote not mine.

once again you offer nothing of substance

[jak111]

Hotshot ~ 4 posts since confirmed.
kgb ~ 3 posts since confirmed, inactive for 3 days.
rishaed ~ 3 posts since confirmed.
virus90 ~ 3 posts since confirmed.

Take your pick, all of the above have little activity, then look through their posts and decide for yourself whether they have any substance in those posts (to me, most of them do not).

So how many town reads did you have on these 4 Anark? If you flip mafia one day/night, I will definitely look into possibly lynching some of your "town" reads.

Here, let me quote your post...

Final findings... Virus, Roger Dodger, and kgb are actually town....

Jonty!!! I found it odd that you claim indefensible, but wait to claim, as if allowing your scum buddies to jump on the wagon to help prove their innocence and give credence to your lie...

Vote Jonty

So you believe kgb and Virus are town from 3 posts each? Interesting. Back to a question X-Stor-X asked you, why are you certain they're town?

Here let me quote all of their posts so far to help you pick out your "town" reads on them.

Spoiler

id like to skip the joke phase....

Why? Something to hide? vote xstor bc I can

Spoiler

Lol for the record my vote against xstor was a joke vote although that doesn't seem to be in question at the moment.

@xstor yes I have a question for you - are you scum? (Note the sarcasm) congrats on moving beyond the joke vote stage rather quickly

@jak where was the overreaction? He responded to a post regarding him/his play, maybe he's town maybes he's not but didn't xstor have the chance to respond to posts regarding himself?

As for the multiple factions I didn't read it as more than two but I could have interpreted it wrong I'm playing on my phone so quoting is a pain but the last line of the opening scene naming the new party read to me as the same people that the mod opened the paragraph with

Anyways... unvote and carry on

Spoiler

Correct mud, I doubt there are 2 (multiple players-non town) factions against town, I've usually played with a SK, only 15 players and I didn't interpret opening scene as had been previously stated

Oh yes... I town read kgb from two one-two sentence posts and a single post of any substance that was over 3 days ago.

Unvote, Vote kgb, also requesting an activity prod from mod.

Spoiler

i got a feeling that its more throwing mud then building cases at the moment...
i think its a very weak case, (on nark)
when you attack people its a natural response to defence, and calling it out as more prove, i dont like that.

Spoiler

well i dont defend anark, i get his anger.
i hate it when people are pushing you on a case that is so weak that anyone who would take the effort to read it would know it was a bad case. Unfortunately its not in scums best intrest to unvote you, and there are always people who are reading it once, accepting it for true, and not reading again. Have been in a similar position in emotions maffia (game that just finished), was called out for bullshit reasons, and it really took a lot of effort to keep as cool as possible.
which eventually wasnt even enough coolness due to some weird unexpected game events.
ok i kind of do defend anarks reaction if i read it back....
Take home message, read carefully, and later read back when you vote.

Spoiler

@ lootifier / anark.

is the post now as it should be? or does it still miss information or something like that?
and nark how did you get to the conclusion that me kgb and roger doger are town?
i do know that your at least 33% right but whats your reason? was it supposed to be in the big post as well?

So 2 posts defending Anark's anger and a 3rd post of little substance. FOS virus.

I am not interested anymore in Jonty today, he's active enough to talk to tomorrow, meanwhile we got some scummariners here that need to be dealt with. Surprised no one else noticed kgb gone for 3 days...

[Anarkistsdream]

Just cause the post sounds scummy?Yes..and i explained why U put a lot of thought into that huh butterfly.Apparantly more thought then when you spell "You" as U...but thats besides the point For the record and so u all can stop referring to me as a he , I am in fact a female.My apologies. I do not know alot of guys who go by Laura either. Ok. Been my gamer name since 2006. Why would Anark fight so hard to not get voted out. I didn't bandwagon. If u look back i was one of the first to vote jonty. " amateur night at the apollo" really? The best talent was found on amateur night at the apollo. That was a poor choice of words on your part. Wow.

Actually that was Anarchs quote not mine.

once again you offer nothing of substance

Both of you are skimming, that quote was directed AT ME, not FROM ME... Please re-read before putting words in my mouth...

And how do you all not remember Roger Dodger??? If it is any consolation, I remember you!

As for you, Jak... If I believed that conversing with you would actually make a difference, I may, but, it is obvious from your first post to now that you are just going to refuse, refute, dispute, complain, contradict, deny or plain ignore what people say. So far, you have seemed to make it your mission to make wild accusations, but then not look reasonably at any other arguments... However, I do agree with you and the end of your last post about looking at people who are flying under the radar...

[jak111]

As for you, Jak... If I believed that conversing with you would actually make a difference, I may, but, it is obvious from your first post to now that you are just going to refuse, refute, dispute, complain, contradict, deny or plain ignore what people say. So far, you have seemed to make it your mission to make wild accusations, but then not look reasonably at any other arguments... However, I do agree with you and the end of your last post about looking at people who are flying under the radar...

If you'd actually answer the question directed at you. Look at their three posts, the ones you "town" read, I am just curious as to why it is them that you townread and not some of the more active people that are at least trying to get us somewhere. Jonty, you, I, Iron Butterfly and X-Stor-X are probably the most active people in this game at the moment.

So it is a rightful question to ask why you town read virus and kgb. I believe one or both had less than 2 posts at that time as well.

[spiesr]

Why would Anark fight so hard to not get voted out.

Because everyone wants to win and he has a combative personality? I don't think you can conclude much about his alignment from just that.

[Anarkistsdream]

Why would Anark fight so hard to not get voted out.

Because everyone wants to win and he has a combative personality? I don't think you can conclude much about his alignment from just that.

Not little ole ME???

[kgb007]

Been on vacation in the Dominica republic since Sunday, back home tmw night, the novels of posts since Monday made it unappealing to keep up on my phone, seems like you guys are doing just fine without me for now

[Anarkistsdream]

Been on vacation in the Dominica republic since Sunday, back home tmw night, the novels of posts since Monday made it unappealing to keep up on my phone, seems like you guys are doing just fine without me for now

I am jealous... Dominican Republic?!?! Uhm, yes please.

[jonty125]

Response to jak

see this gives me the impression, you almost don't care who we have claim, just to get a claim, now that would be scummy.

I am not pushing for a lynch Day 1 like the real scum do, I am pushing for information that we can use in the night to better use any actions people may have to help town out better tomorrow.

The real scummyness trails from wanting NO information for our power roles to use in the night to help find/kill scum. I found two people I find scummy and whether people agree with me or not I want more information on one of them before I just move on and potentially let a scum go without any more pressure. But hey, it's Day 1, let scum go into the night with no pressure on their claims so they can perfect a story together for tomorrow.

I never accused you of pushing for a D1 lynch, and pushing for a D1 lynch, is not scummy all the time. I also never said I wanted no information, I said that from the "knife throwing" comment, that it seemed like you didn't care where we got information from, as long as it was information, surely we'd want to pursure the scummiest lead, which, granted you have said now.

Interesting how it went to L2 though and still no claim from you, perhaps we need another to vote and put you back into the spotlight for claim time.

One of the votes were a jokevote. And since that was removed I've hovered at L-3.

If you admit to there being a link, then I may back off of Anark, but if there isn't my 2nd case on him still stands and my vote will quickly be back onto him for potential scum.

I don't have a problem with you pushing Nark, I have a problem with you pushing anybody based off a poor case.

Spin my words as much as you want, I find it odd how the people that are usually pushing for information and lynches Day 1 when they are town are NOT doing so this game. Which as X-stor-X pointed out is different Meta. Which I do remember people used a lot of that around here back in the day.

I haven't spun any of your words, though if you believe others have please show us.

Side Note

So after jonty claims (as seems inevitable)

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Nark's Claim
And then Nark, rages, claims under little pressure as a VT, all within his meta, which introduces this WIFOM argument: Maybe, he's delibrately playing his meta (as in regard to claiming VT, after 1 or 2 votes), because he's not town. BUT nobody as I'm a VT, and I'm not a peasant, so I guess he's truthing

Roger Dodger

I don't believe Jonty.

What don't you believe?

[Roger Dodger]

Just cause the post sounds scummy?Yes..and i explained why U put a lot of thought into that huh butterfly.Apparantly more thought then when you spell "You" as U...but thats besides the point For the record and so u all can stop referring to me as a he , I am in fact a female.My apologies. I do not know alot of guys who go by Laura either. Ok. Been my gamer name since 2006. Why would Anark fight so hard to not get voted out. I didn't bandwagon. If u look back i was one of the first to vote jonty. " amateur night at the apollo" really? The best talent was found on amateur night at the apollo. That was a poor choice of words on your part. Wow.

Actually that was Anarchs quote not mine.

once again you offer nothing of substance

Really? I'm playing on a phone. So relax reg. The spelling. Stop picking on what I say. Don't u have anything better to do? The more u post negatively the more I think u r scummy and probably an outlaw too. Maybe next go around my vote sits on u. U U U lol and thank you Anark for remembering the old timer of CC

[HotShot53]

Side Note

So after jonty claims (as seems inevitable)

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Nark's Claim
And then Nark, rages, claims under little pressure as a VT, all within his meta, which introduces this WIFOM argument: Maybe, he's delibrately playing his meta (as in regard to claiming VT, after 1 or 2 votes), because he's not town. BUT nobody as I'm a VT, and I'm not a peasant, so I guess he's truthing

vote jonty125 Ok, now you're at L-2 so you can go ahead and claim and we can move on. (I'm not voting because I see you as particularly scummy, although your admittedly changed meta can give a pause for consideration. But until you claim the day isn't going anywhere very fast, so I am voting to get the claim and get the day moving.)

I don't understand your last part replying to nark's claim, the "BUT nobody as I'm a VT, and I'm not a peasant, so I guess he's truthing" I can't tell if you are quoting his claim partially or what...can you restate this more clearly?

[virus90]

@ jak,
i made my point on the nark case, and the discussion is still about that. i have made it twice. and you all choose to disagree.. well ok disagree, we will see who is right in the end. but i have nothing more to say about that so there is no reason for me to post more about that.
and if we are looking at meta in other games to build cases, go look at any d1 in any game here on CC, you probably see that my meta is what you see in this game aswell.

and well jonty case.. not much to say about it, he posts more then normal and we punish him for it...

[Lootifer]

Apologies for lack of activity guys, I will try to get to this tonight.

[jonty125]

"BUT nobody as I'm a VT, and I'm not a peasant, so I guess he's truthing"

Oh boy, this is what happens when my mind runs ahead of my fingers. I meant to say, nobody else has come forward saying peasants are VT's.

I'm Town Vig.

[jak111]

So we got two claims for the day, no more claim pushing, now it's time to decide whether we go into the night with no kills or we lynch someone. I am up for the no lynch option as if Jonty shoots tonight, there's at least 2-3 dead tomorrow (mafia + potential 3rd party killing faction).

[StorrZerg]

seems reasonable then why you almost "wanted" to claim.

@jak111. going for a lynch 100%

[rishaed]

vote No lynch. The reasons are simple.
1. I have reason to believe both claims, and Jonty wouldn't be claiming a town vig this early, unless its a elaborate ploy by scum.
2. The night tonight will give us a lot of information. (How many killing factions and so on).
3. I don't know why Jak wants jonty to kill tonight. He has practically no information, and its worse than a mislynch, if he shoots wrong, because we don't get any voting information from it.
4. With two factions I don't know how many mislynches are available to town before they cannot win.

[jak111]

Unvote, Vote NO LYNCH

I do not want Jonty to kill, but if he jumps the gun and fires at someone and we lynch someone we could be down to just 11 players, and assuming all deaths are town, that would mean town could not afford another night like it.

Mind you, the claim by Jonty is a tricky one. Because if he is mafia, he will have an excuse for killing people he visits.

[HotShot53]

"BUT nobody as I'm a VT, and I'm not a peasant, so I guess he's truthing"

Oh boy, this is what happens when my mind runs ahead of my fingers. I meant to say, nobody else has come forward saying peasants are VT's.

I'm Town Vig.

Do you have any limits to your Vig powers? Or could kill every night if you felt like it?

In any case, unvote

vote No lynch. The reasons are simple.
1. I have reason to believe both claims, and Jonty wouldn't be claiming a town vig this early, unless its a elaborate ploy by scum.
2. The night tonight will give us a lot of information. (How many killing factions and so on).
3. I don't know why Jak wants jonty to kill tonight. He has practically no information, and its worse than a mislynch, if he shoots wrong, because we don't get any voting information from it.
4. With two factions I don't know how many mislynches are available to town before they cannot win.

Why stop here and not continue looking around while it's still day? We still have some time before the deadline.

[StorrZerg]

why are you assuming 11 at day 2 start???


are you expecting 3 to die at night wtih 15 people ???

seems weird...

I still want a lynch ill reread and see whats up next..