Re: (GON 3rd game)Town wins. Day 5

[charm]

@Kill....you're a big bully!
I'm inclined to stick with my kind...the VT list.

@Crasp....can you give us a vote count and answer my questions from above please!

[charm]

Please answer thes questions Crasp...

did TC's night action as the bus driver get carried out or did the mafia action get completed before the switch occurred? But if KE3 is the cop, why wasn't he killed last night? I would have expected KE3 to be targeted.

Do we gain anything by lynching Sirius early in the day vs end of the day?
Will the mod have to do a kill story right away?

[crasp]

Game Mechanics Charm. its actually on the first page somewhere but i couldnt find it.
This is the order of night play.

1 Role blocker on Bus Driver.
2 Bus driver night action.
3 All other Power roles.
4 All night kills.

Daytime ends the minute someone gets the required majority, in this case 6 votes. Once that is reached nothing stops it, No votes for someone else or unvotes will be counted after that time. We go straight into night. As soon as this is acknowledged no more game related posts should be made and action could be taken on anyone deliberately doing this. The best way to do this is for whoever applies the hammer to follow their vote with the words, "thats a lynch, Nightime , No Talking." Then wait for the Mod.

[Killuminati19]

@ Legion

I think we ended up having plenty of discussion. You never answered my question. Do you really think I am bluffing?

I have 4 votes, Sirius, Tuffy, Gabs, and Legion. I think if Charm, DB4, or Joak were mafia, they would jump on board and lynch me. They haven't done that, so I figure they are town.

Of the four mentioned as voting four me, I think we have three mafia. I believe that Gabs is telling the truth but can't for the life of me understand why he will not take his vote off of me. Gabs cannot possibly think that I am more suspicious than Sirius.

At this point, I don't really have anything to add. If someone has questions, I have nothing to hide and will be more than happy to answer.

@King Ed
@Mook
@Joak

I am sufficiently convinced that the three of you are townies. If I am lynched, I plan on taking Tuffy with me. My vote stays on Sirius because the agreement was an immediate day 3 lynch. If Legion didn't take into account that he would have a bs excuse, that is his problem. But if people don't want to stick with that plan, I am inclined to let Sirius live and the remaining townies can keep arguing about it when Sirius inevitably doesn't revive anyone again. If the three of you have other suggestions I will take them into account.

[Gabsensei]

Spoiler

@ Legion

I think we ended up having plenty of discussion. You never answered my question. Do you really think I am bluffing?

I have 4 votes, Sirius, Tuffy, Gabs, and Legion. I think if Charm, DB4, or Joak were mafia, they would jump on board and lynch me. They haven't done that, so I figure they are town.

Of the four mentioned as voting four me, I think we have three mafia. I believe that Gabs is telling the truth but can't for the life of me understand why he will not take his vote off of me. Gabs cannot possibly think that I am more suspicious than Sirius.

At this point, I don't really have anything to add. If someone has questions, I have nothing to hide and will be more than happy to answer.

@King Ed
@Mook
@Joak

I am sufficiently convinced that the three of you are townies. If I am lynched, I plan on taking Tuffy with me. My vote stays on Sirius because the agreement was an immediate day 3 lynch. If Legion didn't take into account that he would have a bs excuse, that is his problem. But if people don't want to stick with that plan, I am inclined to let Sirius live and the remaining townies can keep arguing about it when Sirius inevitably doesn't revive anyone again. If the three of you have other suggestions I will take them into account.

you forgot there is another possibility that you actualy are mafia and that 2 of the remaining 3 who didnt vote are mafia and dont want to get you lynch and so are waiting for the last townie to vote to see where it is going

[Gabsensei]

@kill i did explained myself about 3-5 times already if your not seeing what i say i am sorry but its because you dont want to see it

[Killuminati19]

@ Gabs

I didn't forget anything. I am a vengeful townie. And if you have explained yourself 3-5 times, your reasoning must not have come across as a reason. I am agressive? That is flimsy. So is blaming me for wanting to stick to the plan of an immediate day 3 lynch.

Why don't you explain why Sirius is less suspicious.

A few of you have cited my adversarial tone. What does that have to do with anything? I am telling the truth or I am not.

Has everyone noticed that when someone makes a claim, typically if that claim is not refuted by anyone, what you see happen is people unvoting. Notice that Sirius, Tuffy, Gabs, and Legion all refuse to unvote. No one has any logical reason to believe I am anything other than what I say I am.

Sirius, Tuffy, Gabs, Legion - 3 of them are mafia, unless.........someone in the Charm and DB4 camp is waiting for me to pick a townie to take with me.

I would be fine with the Sirius, Tuffy, and Legion votes, but the Gabs vote is really driving me nuts.

[mookiemcgee]

Well many of you agreed that KE3 is the Doc, so we are farily sorted on that( maybe not everyone but most have you have confirmed he is trustable). Now he's vouched for Joak and Myself. So Mafia can keep saying "we dont know for sure" or "I have no guarentee", but basically we have a small group that any real town people should be able to trust an align with. So those that are not aligning their vote with KE3 and experienced player with a strong role, I simply cant understand why? Ignoring Kill being agressive or otherwise overreactive scummy behavior yesterday, why cannot we not stick to the plan?

If sirius indeed is lynched and discovered to be lying I think we have a very short list of who the rest of the Mafia are! The town would likely win! If he is indeed the reviver than I would admit I was wrong, and after the mafia kills someone overnight we would be down 2 Town (worst case)

If We lynch Kill and he is vengeful and takes out Tuffy(let's assume he is also town for this scenario) plus another townie is killed overnight by mafia this game is over for the Mafia!!!! This worst case takes out 3 of us town!!!


Question to the Mod - Can a vengeful townie be roleblocked?

[SiriusCowKing]

@Kill: It is absolutely possible that you are a vengeful townie when considering the roles that are in the game, I don't think it would make the townies over powered. But according to your posts I am pretty sure that you are bluffing and that you are a mafia. If it was up to me I would put you down right now. But I would rather not take the chance of you killing a townie because you can't see clearly. So instead I will put my vote down and unvote. I am still thinking of who I would be down to vote for instead. I will take the time to think about it and post again tonight. This cow is not happy right now and does not say moo, lol.

@mookie: roleblocks occurs during the night. A daytime action cannot be roleblocked.

[SiriusCowKing]

Forgot to add: If we decide to let kill go, then I would ask the Cop to verify that he is telling the truth. He is prime suspect right now, that would either be a sure find or a trust bound we can build.

[mookiemcgee]

Also, Ive been posting a ton the last 24h, and will try to continue till Tuesday eve, but I will be in Canada (MOOOO) from Wed-Sun for my grandma's 90th, I dont anticipate being on much at all. Just so you know in avance and dont think I'm hiding

[mookiemcgee]

@sirius thank you for your answer to the mod question. I am not a 100% sure anyone is Mafia I just think Sirius makes the most sense, and I feel railroaded towards Kill. many of you said he acted aggresively or otherwise implied he did scummy things earlier in the game. Having read back I acknoledge the defensive nature of his post since the beginning of the day, however I dont see much evidence beyond that. He has voted very much in line with those who I now believe to be town.

If a valid third option were proposed by any of the people I am confident are town I would be willing to consider it.

[Killuminati19]

@Kill: It is absolutely possible that you are a vengeful townie when considering the roles that are in the game, I don't think it would make the townies over powered. But according to your posts I am pretty sure that you are bluffing and that you are a mafia. If it was up to me I would put you down right now. But I would rather not take the chance of you killing a townie because you can't see clearly. So instead I will put my vote down and unvote. I am still thinking of who I would be down to vote for instead. I will take the time to think about it and post again tonight. This cow is not happy right now and does not say moo, lol.

@mookie: roleblocks occurs during the night. A daytime action cannot be roleblocked.

I have been waiting all day for Sirius to do precisely this. What a complex web of lies. According to my posts I am bluffing? What posts suggest I am bluffing.

My guess is Sirius knows I am not bluffing, knows I have pegged a fellow mafia member to tag, and wants to gain the trust of those who also know I am telling the truth. My vote remains unchanged. TC was right, we should have lynched him yesterday. If I am right, I understand Tuffy and Legion coming to his defense, but why Gabs, Charm, DB4, and Joak are buying it, I don't know.

FP'd by mookie

[Killuminati19]

Also, thanks for mentioning my voting history mookie. Sirius, Tuffy, Legion, and Gabs will continue to gloss over it like it doesn't exist, or Tuffy might make the brilliant observation that I vote too much.

I notice that Sirius essentially said that Tuffy is a townie. He spends a lot of time telling us who isn't mafia. Aside from me Sirius, who else is? Who is supposedly working with me?

[mookiemcgee]

@ charm, with Sirius taking back his vote, the count stands at:

3- Sirius (Ed, Me ,Kill)
3- Kill (Gab,Tuffy,LEg)

Joak, yourself, DB4 and now Sirius have no vote in currently...

Charm when you say you are inclined to vote with my kind, do you mean Joak & I? or are you including the others that have claimed VT? This is not an attempt to pressure you I'm just trying to understand where you stand...

Ditto to Joak and DB4.... There has been alot of back and forth and you 3 seems to have stayed out of the frey for the most part. Which way are you leaning? Do you have an alternative candidate?

[Gabsensei]

tbh the 3 i think are most likely mafia to my eye are db4, charm and kill all of them for diferent reason but kill is the most suspicious one to me

[Killuminati19]

tbh the 3 i think are most likely mafia to my eye are db4, charm and kill all of them for diferent reason but kill is the most suspicious one to me

Perhaps Legion is just confused and Gabs is mafia. I just can't get through to him. He has no plausible explanation on why I am the most suspicious to him. Why is Gabs the doctor? Because he says so?

[mookiemcgee]

I am also somewhat suspicous of DB4, mainly for being so silent. I excuse charm for this because she is new and trying to talk.... Again outside of "attitude" I dont see any logic for voting Kill. Especially since at this point there is a 50/50 chance he takes out another townie(tuffy) on his way out if we are wrong. Or worse yet he takes out the doctor, Ed is killed by mafia, and we lose a our vengeful townie... I'll acknowledge Kill could be lying , but it seems a game ending gamble if he isn't...


FP'd by Kill

Good point Kill, why hasn't the doc used his power? Would we know if he did via the MODs day start post, or does a doc have to report this for the world to know?

[Killuminati19]

I have to believe Gabs is the doc. TC was 100 % sure he was townie, and when Gabs thought Ed was claiming the doc role, Gabs called him out. I just can't for the life of me understand why Gabs will not take his vote off of me. Gabs is turning day 3 into an absolute mess. I do not agree that it is 50/50 that Tuffy is town. Wake up people, Sirius is a liar. Just when it was looking like we were going to get our immediate day 3 lynch, here comes Tuffy telling everyone to hold up.

[Killuminati19]

Also, Sirius and Legion both have a history of going after Joak. Legion and Tuffy both suggested that TC was scum and that he should claim. And we all know about Sirius and TC. TC was a townie and Joak, I believe, is pretty much beyond suspicion at this point. All of the evidence points to these 3. DB4, Charm, Joak time to get involved.

[joak]

There's lot to take in here and as a guy who sees the best in everyone it's difficult.. Sorry kill but legion went after me way back but unless I am missing something has laid of me for a while since everyone new I was town soi don't think he's a suspect I just have a feeling about Sirius and tuffy I am no expert but these guys posts seem a little more like they are covering something than others..just something in the way they right there posts makes me uneasy but I can't quite put my finger on it I myself thought TC was scummy at one point maybe legion was just fishing as well which would make sense as he has I think left king ed and me alone recently so my two major suspects are still Sirius and tuffy not sure about db4 he comes on in fits and bursts but like me may struggle for time but maybe he is frightened to give the game away

[TuffyLess]

I have to believe Gabs is the doc. TC was 100 % sure he was townie, and when Gabs thought Ed was claiming the doc role, Gabs called him out. I just can't for the life of me understand why Gabs will not take his vote off of me. Gabs is turning day 3 into an absolute mess. I do not agree that it is 50/50 that Tuffy is town. Wake up people, Sirius is a liar. Just when it was looking like we were going to get our immediate day 3 lynch, here comes Tuffy telling everyone to hold up.

I said to consider the possibility that Sirius was in fact rollblocked - not to outright forget about him.
I said Im not in belief 100% of the roleblock angle, but Id like to investigate the possibility in conjunction w/ our other night info.
You made it seem as if Im defending the guy by doing this.

There's lot to take in here and as a guy who sees the best in everyone it's difficult.. Sorry kill but legion went after me way back but unless I am missing something has laid of me for a while since everyone new I was town soi don't think he's a suspect I just have a feeling about Sirius and tuffy I am no expert but these guys posts seem a little more like they are covering something than others..just something in the way they right there posts makes me uneasy but I can't quite put my finger on it I myself thought TC was scummy at one point maybe legion was just fishing as well which would make sense as he has I think left king ed and me alone recently so my two major suspects are still Sirius and tuffy not sure about db4 he comes on in fits and bursts but like me may struggle for time but maybe he is frightened to give the game away

So Im suspect for how I write the English language?
Look who's talking.

If ye canny understaun legion yev nae chance wi me laddie am nae joke am a true Mac an canny live withoot ma big tasties

King Ed says he disny want tae drive 50 miles cos his wains would be sleeping afore he got tae Macdonald ....whits wrong wi that..any normal guy would relish that..a wee bit suspicious tae me..anyhow what's a claim? vote king ed

Maybe you're mafia for same reason.
joke joke ... im just joking joak, calm down.
I still believe you're townie.

[TuffyLess]

And Kill its not just your votes that are gunna count for something, mine will too.
Neither of us have voted to string up a townie yet that we know of.

[DB4Christ]

Well Brothers, after much consideration, observation and evaluation, I believe Kill is most likely telling the truth. I think Gab has a good argument, but in light of a few things I think I have picked up on, I do believe its time to push on and vote. Between Kill and Sirius, I will have to go with my gut and Vote: Sirius Sorry Moo, if your townie than my observations and intuition are off. I think the votes come down to who you believe has the most credible story.....and I now believe Kill more than Moo. Hope for the towns sake I am right! Gab, Mook, Leg.....you all have made good arguments. I think scum is hiding among the proclaimed townies......and has a few good players fooled.

[mookiemcgee]

I have to believe Gabs is the doc. TC was 100 % sure he was townie, and when Gabs thought Ed was claiming the doc role, Gabs called him out. I just can't for the life of me understand why Gabs will not take his vote off of me. Gabs is turning day 3 into an absolute mess. I do not agree that it is 50/50 that Tuffy is town. Wake up people, Sirius is a liar. Just when it was looking like we were going to get our immediate day 3 lynch, here comes Tuffy telling everyone to hold up.

I said to consider the possibility that Sirius was in fact rollblocked - not to outright forget about him.
I said Im not in belief 100% of the roleblock angle, but Id like to investigate the possibility in conjunction w/ our other night info.
You made it seem as if Im defending the guy by doing this.

There's lot to take in here and as a guy who sees the best in everyone it's difficult.. Sorry kill but legion went after me way back but unless I am missing something has laid of me for a while since everyone new I was town soi don't think he's a suspect I just have a feeling about Sirius and tuffy I am no expert but these guys posts seem a little more like they are covering something than others..just something in the way they right there posts makes me uneasy but I can't quite put my finger on it I myself thought TC was scummy at one point maybe legion was just fishing as well which would make sense as he has I think left king ed and me alone recently so my two major suspects are still Sirius and tuffy not sure about db4 he comes on in fits and bursts but like me may struggle for time but maybe he is frightened to give the game away

So Im suspect for how I write the English language?
Look who's talking.

If ye canny understaun legion yev nae chance wi me laddie am nae joke am a true Mac an canny live withoot ma big tasties

King Ed says he disny want tae drive 50 miles cos his wains would be sleeping afore he got tae Macdonald ....whits wrong wi that..any normal guy would relish that..a wee bit suspicious tae me..anyhow what's a claim? vote king ed

Maybe you're mafia for same reason.
joke joke ... im just joking joak, calm down.
I still believe you're townie.

Game or no game, this post was funny.