Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[pancakemix]

Can we have a VC?

[jwiedlin]

Am I allowed to quote from the QT in here?

I believe you can paraphrase, but not quote from the QT.

Increasingly, we are seeing that there is a huge amount of power to be had in knowing the character names of others. Crasp can link the character name to the person sitting the throne, and Zivel can kill once per cycle if he knows the player name.

Given that there is little incentive at this point for people to reveal their character name, I would guess there are those among us that can find character names by various means.

FP pancakex2

[Zivel]

Am I allowed to quote from the QT in here?

My understanding is no.

Then you either have to trust me or maybe I will be backed up by the others in my city. But if the posts in the city are pretty obviously hunting for the throne and wanting it in our city.

[StorrZerg]

Am I allowed to quote from the QT in here?

No you may not quote directly, or use things to confirm a specific post (post number, post time, direct quoting)

[mtamburini]

Read day 1

Here are my likes
27ninjabunnies (played with her before I like her starting conversation in BOD to start activity)
Jak (Also been pretty active, I liked the fact he wanted to skip joke phase as we only have 72 hours and that could waste a bit of time that we dont really have)
Neb (played a couple games with him, Ive had him as scummy in almost every game Ive played with but his play thus far has been consistent imo from the games I have played with him)
Boone (stroking my ego always gets you into my town circle)
Legion (Hes paying attention to the game found a hotshot contradictory post and applied pressure, ++ points)
crasp (His posts seem different from the last game I played with him and more in line with the game I modded)


Neutral on
Epitaph1 (His last couple posts in the day seemed really towny, I think crasp couldve been a way to easy lynch and pursued firth as a lynch --points for firth being town)
Strikewolf (Most of his posts have been towny but there are some things I disagree on with him)
Hotshot (not sure how to read him, but his posts have been more towny)

Here are my dislikes
Strike wolf list (He has bunnies at the bottom of his list when I would place her more at my top quarter of people, not sure how you can create a list thus early in the game you gave me a more towny status then someone who has been very active in the game. GMEOY) Maybe I dont understand your list but if this is the case Im not a fan of it thus far.
AoG (from my experience playing forum mafia his posts dont scream towny to me)
MudPuppy (Read a post about him wanting to lynch due to inactivity / lack of posts, you would prefer to lynch someone you dont have a read on rather than someone you do have a read on?)
Zivel (I dont understand your argument to defend bunnies when you have never played with her before)

No read on everyone else strong enough worth talking about IMO

Day 2

Charm roleblocked ?!? Not sure what to think about this with regards to her alignment but I will lean on town. I dont see a townsided roleblocker blocking charm he did not really participate much yesterday enough for me to get a read on.

People I like today
Hotshot (because of my new dislike for legion)
Jak (nothing has changed since day previous)
jonty (similar reads to me)
neb (nothings changed)

People I dont like
legion (pointing out the IB may not have been a target and couldve been on someone else and took the bullet, talking with a bit too much info, also looking for people that IB was pressuring on in hopes to create another ML)
zivel (Didnt like you yesterday, the pressure your receiving today you dont seem to be handling well)

Waiting on more people to post, AoG still on scummy side but hasnt posted yet so I will reserve judgement for now.

FPD 3 times

[Zivel]

Really? You go for a 3 day shower and this is the best you have?

You say bunnies is at the top of your list but put me scum for thinking the same?

You completely miss the purpose of strikes list! Damn what did you think everyone was talking about when we said others had posted etc?

IB was a bodyguard, it makes perfect sense that legion can think that he was not the target.

Jak you like cause he wanted to skip the day phase and this has lasted through to day two? You have no comment on his fishing for the throne?

No comment on my claim? No comment of Firths lynch? Just some weak arse reads.

[StorrZerg]

Day 2
Current Vote Count
Voting ends 7/2 @ 16:00 CC time

betiko (0): Mudpuppy
Zivel (6): jak111, jonty125, Nebuchadnezer, Strike Wolf, charm, mtamburini
pretender77 (1): HotShot53
HotShot53 (1): crasp
mtamburini(1): MudPuppy, betiko
charm(1): Zivel

No Lynch (2): boonetown, pershy

Currently Zivel is set to be lynched.

People who have yet to cast vote. (9)
Jmac1026, pancakemix, Army of God, kgb007, Epitaph1, jwiedlin, legionnare, pretender77, 27ninjabunnies

Currently less than 24 hours till end of day.

[Army of GOD]

Sorry for not posting. I started a new job (well, my career) on Monday so I've been pretty busy.

Will give the thread a reread before posting.

[strike wolf]

You misunderstand my list. My list merely goes straight down the line in the order they sign up. It's also an activity watch list. each person is shown watching one person in a way to form a chain so that no two people watch each other. As far as an actual list for town and scum. I am not making one yet as most of my reads are still fairly neutral in this game. I am reading Zivel a little less scum than I was yesterday and the claim does make sense but I am not ready to unvote right now. Ninja I overall read as town. I think the use of "We/us town" was overblown by IB and in the context it made sense for Ninja to phrase it like that. I keep jumping back and forth on Charm. I thought townish initially but the posts keep ringing strange bells in my head and I just don't know what to think of her half the time. I believe the Crasp claim. Betiko's actions still seem scummy to me but if it is his role causing the no votes thing, that is a very town role to have. Jak I am starting to lean scum. You seem to have skimmed which with other factors makes me feel you are quite possibly scum or third party at best. Beyond that, most of my other reads are pretty straight forward neutral.

I am also not sure what to make of the Dreadfort. Some things and people say the throne is there, others not so much.

You know what...screw it. At this point, I believe Tambu makes a better target than Zivel for lurking and skimming.

##UNVote ##Vote Mtamburini

FP by vote count: It would appear Betiko's vote is counting. Is that vote count correct?

[Army of GOD]

FOS jak

Like Zivel said, jakhas been very weird in the QT (ugh, yeah, were in the same city. Hopefully scum cant use that against me). My suspicion began when he was trying to get everyone in the city to vote with each other which could be very strong for scum (say there are 2-3 scum in the city)...if they agree on who to lynch (aka a townie) they could maybe convince everyone else in the city to vote for, making it at least 6 votes for an innocent. Also, henisnpushing to attempt for us (our city) to get the throne, which to me yells 3rd party.

[Army of GOD]

Also, FOS Zivel. Already somewhat suscipcious, but he has some weird back and forth with jak in the QT and his claim, especially his ability, doesn't seem realistic. Essentially, its hard for me to think it's ever possible to get a name and a roll withoit guessing. And guessing is chatoic because he could guess a town player, get it right, and kill a townie.

[betiko]

Yeah I think there is a mistake with that vote count, my vote shouldn t count.

Again, zivel s claim makes total sense with character flavour. I also understand better why he was so much going after my ass for taunting AOG on his character.... Given that zivel s role is so linked with finding out character names.
Anyway, this is one of the good characters but we cannot know if the alignment is town. I d rather not see him lynched though.
Fp

[mtamburini]

Really? You go for a 3 day shower and this is the best you have?

You say bunnies is at the top of your list but put me scum for thinking the same?

You completely miss the purpose of strikes list! Damn what did you think everyone was talking about when we said others had posted etc?

IB was a bodyguard, it makes perfect sense that legion can think that he was not the target.

Jak you like cause he wanted to skip the day phase and this has lasted through to day two? You have no comment on his fishing for the throne?

No comment on my claim? No comment of Firths lynch? Just some weak arse reads.

Your claim is perfect as mafia, immune to checks? How convenient. You can only kill people you know the username and Character name of? You could be a mafia cop that gets back exact roles. I am not convinced.

[mtamburini]

Also like ive stated Ive played with bunnies for about 6-8 months now so I "know" her and how she plays where as this is your first encounter with her and got a town read that quick, I find that really fishy.

As for strike wolf, youve confused me more now than I was yesterday with the list

[mtamburini]

My city gave me a brief description of whats been happening and I quick read through everything to catch up as I have not participated much in this game due to RL (work and school) maybe playing 3 forum games at once wasnt the best choice on my part but Im trying to make due and give each game the respect is deserves.

IF you have questions on any of my reads I will answer those were just brief descriptions of how I feel without making a 100 line post that most people would look over because too long.

[Zivel]

Also, FOS Zivel. Already somewhat suscipcious, but he has some weird back and forth with jak in the QT and his claim, especially his ability, doesn't seem realistic. Essentially, its hard for me to think it's ever possible to get a name and a roll withoit guessing. And guessing is chatoic because he could guess a town player, get it right, and kill a townie.

I know crasp is Petyr Baelish, he told us.... I could kill him now but I dont think he is scum. If you guys want to see me prove my claim sure.

And yes Betiko, this is why I didn't want fishing for information. This is one of the reason I still am very suspicious of giving away information lightly. We have no idea what actions are out there, but I know that the more seemingly innocent information I have the more powerful my role becomes.

Sigh, it is probably useless now as trying to get someone to actually claim their character is going to be hard. Good scum check though.

Mtam, give me your character name and I will happily test my claim on you. And the role I have claimed is far to strong for scum.

[betiko]

Zivel, you need to know who is which character right? Cause if you just send "jeoffrey baratheon" to storr without knowing who it is, it wouldn t work right?

[Army of GOD]

Also, FOS Zivel. Already somewhat suscipcious, but he has some weird back and forth with jak in the QT and his claim, especially his ability, doesn't seem realistic. Essentially, its hard for me to think it's ever possible to get a name and a roll withoit guessing. And guessing is chatoic because he could guess a town player, get it right, and kill a townie.

I know crasp is Petyr Baelish, he told us.... I could kill him now but I dont think he is scum. If you guys want to see me prove my claim sure.

And yes Betiko, this is why I didn't want fishing for information. This is one of the reason I still am very suspicious of giving away information lightly. We have no idea what actions are out there, but I know that the more seemingly innocent information I have the more powerful my role becomes.

Sigh, it is probably useless now as trying to get someone to actually claim their character is going to be hard. Good scum check though.

Mtam, give me your character name and I will happily test my claim on you. And the role I have claimed is far to strong for scum.

You also risk killing townies as claims is the only way you'd be able to get a name (and who would claim non-town?). Its just an almost unusable role.

Zivel, you need to know who is which character right? Cause if you just send "jeoffrey baratheon" to storr without knowing who it is, it wouldn t work right?

That's what I gathered

[Zivel]

Zivel, you need to know who is which character right? Cause if you just send "jeoffrey baratheon" to storr without knowing who it is, it wouldn t work right?

Yep, thats how it works. I tried joffrey last night and didnt get a kill.

You also risk killing townies as claims is the only way you'd be able to get a name (and who would claim non-town?). Its just an almost unusable role.

Yep, me claiming has pretty much made my role null, or at best a random shot in the dark.

[charm]

I'm going to take my vote off of Zivel now that he has claimed. Two of my key suspects are MTam and Betiko. I want to keep pressure on DreadFort since we know the most about them. Also, based on the odds (since Firth is already eliminated and we know he was town) we have a better chance at hitting a mafia person in the Dread Fort.

I would like the opinion of other folks, especially those in Dread Fort, on who they think is scum in Dread Fort.

[jak111]

Can we make an agreement not to post in light blue? It is difficult for me to read when I am on my phone. Too close to the background color.

Just trying to use colours available to us. LOL

Unvote, although the exchange in our city is being blown out of proportion here. I merely made a suggestion we work on making a list of people in each city (to go along with my theory of 2 anti-town per city and if we know who's in what city, as town diminish in a city it can leave anti-town EASY targets for us to call out). I also suggested the Iron Throne would be better in OUR hands than the other cities because I believe we have more town in ours than others. Though perhaps that's just me wanting to see what the Iron Throne does for us more so than actually believing a speculation.

The whole thing of "Voting together" was brought up by someone else and somehow I got pinned as the one to suggest it. I have said point blank that the second I find out any of you are anti-town I'll push for your head but until then I'd rather us work a little bit together instead of fighting like all the other cities are doing. 6 heads are better than 1.

Though now I have suspicion on AoG, he has sort of sheeped with Zivel against me. Maybe because if we do effectively work together in the way I suggested we'd be eliminating mafia in every city that we confirm 3-4 of them town. Leaving the last 2-3 up for lynching.

He may see that as a threat against his team. However with deadline tomorrow and not wanting another mislynch like yesterday. Vote No-Lynch. Seem to be only able to get one claim a day. With Zivel acting scummy and making me focus on him for the last part of the day I couldn't push for Crasp to prove his claim or for Charm to confirm softing a group QT.

[pretender77]

I voted Zivel because
a. WE are running out of time in this day
b. We spent all of the time this day on zivel-oriented business
c. If we find out what he is with his alignmenent, city etc we can use all of the other incidents of the day to see how they align or go against

[kgb007]

If what you say about Jak is true. I find it scummy. I did say yesterday that he is very interested in the cities mechanic and he has at least at points acknowledged that mafia is likely within the cities so if he is saying each city for themselves that would contradict what he has been saying. However I am not sure there is a misunderstanding somewhere in this exchange.

I don't see the harm in outing myself as being in the same city as Jak and Zivel. Jak has been pretty consistent obsessing over the throne and what the cities could do with it.

OK, so I am town.I am Arya Stark of the house Stark. I have been trained as a Water Dancer by Syrio Forel and as such can kill one person a cycle. I am basically a vig with day kills. The catch is that I must know both the character name and the player username. I also can avoid all checks on me. This claim is easy to test as I already have a match(I am not reading crasp as scum though). I am in the city of Braavos, alongside Jak and 4 others. In the city there has been a lot of talk about the throne and sticking together as a city. Jak has been leading these conversations with me disagreeing. The others in the city are a mixed bag.

FOS jak

Like Zivel said, jakhas been very weird in the QT (ugh, yeah, were in the same city. Hopefully scum cant use that against me). My suspicion began when he was trying to get everyone in the city to vote with each other which could be very strong for scum (say there are 2-3 scum in the city)...if they agree on who to lynch (aka a townie) they could maybe convince everyone else in the city to vote for, making it at least 6 votes for an innocent. Also, henisnpushing to attempt for us (our city) to get the throne, which to me yells 3rd party.

It was actually me that floated the idea of sticking together and voting as a city. Zivel and AOG can reread our city QT as it was one of the first posts. We sorted of wasted all of D1 discussing its merits but we never seriously considered it. My line of thinking with throwing it out there was that I'd rather someone else from another city go than from our's if only for self-preservation and to keep conversation going. The activity level has sort of dipped D2 in our city, admittedly I've been trying to keep up with the main thread.

Zivel - can you clarify, you can day AND night kill? I'm not sure what you meant by cycle and in your role claim you said vig with day kill abilities and later posted that you trying killing joffrey N1.

FOS charm, boone and crasp because you haven't answered my questions from yesterday, bolded and condensed:

// You're right, like I said, I had a bit of a tirade. Sometimes you guys have to read between the lines. Yes, I was roleblocked! I am assuming I was roleblocked by mafia since it was a night action. Yes, I have serious suspicions on 3 people. I will give you more in 24 hours, please be patient. In the meantime, I would think we should continue to put pressure on Dreddfot since that is the location we know the most about.

7. I don;t want to sidetrack anyone, but I think we need to also keep sight of towns, objects, how the QT is working, etc... For example:
Did you all know that there are more than just the "location" QTs? Is everyone in a QT?
We know there is a thrown, but I haven't seen it saying how you de-throne someone!
What about visiting other towns. Someone must have the ability to spy on other towns. Who? How?? When???

why are you waiting another 24 hours given such short day phases?

Neb already addressed why it's not worth dissecting whether IB died protecting someone or targeted directly, but boone - what was the point in saying you think you were the save? that's an odd thing to throw out there.

Crasp has already stated he knows the character name of who resides on the throne but I'd like to ask: Does that mean you know what city the throne resides?I ask because your role seems like a "blah" power at this point but knowing the city would improve your lot IMO. I think transferring the throne would have to involve killing the current owner but maybe that's just more flavour influenced than anything else.

At this point, my preference to lynch in order would be: charm (she said she'd give us more information in 24 hours, has since posted but focused on squeezing dreadfort, mtam (the list post was meh) and AOG (i'd rather keep you alive since we're "neighbors", but aside from your recent flurry of activity, you've really only weighed in on the jak/zivel scuffle that's been occurring

#vote charm

[kgb007]

Boone & crasp haven't posted since I asked my original question last night so I'll formally withdraw my FOS against them but would still like it answered

[Army of GOD]

##vote jak

Mostly because of what I said plus his no vote now. Don't think a no vote is helpful at all.