Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[Zivel]

Yep. Started with six. My guess is 1/5 is one scum, five town based on what they started with. But then this is sounding weirder by the min.

[betiko]

Oh and regarding legionnare:

Either he is scum and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is town and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is scum and robik didn t bleed him: interesting to interrogate him
Either he is town and robik didn t bleed him: we would out X to save a watcher/tracker

So robik, can you tell us a bit more, is it one full day to kill someone you bleeded? Also, did jak use his power in the nights before you took over the role?

Fp x2

[betiko]

I am saying it is 1 anti-town +5 town. Didn't the Dreadfort come out 2/4?

I ve asked, I just read back and he just said that there were 2 anti town, waiting for him to recheck his N1 pm. This sound like a reasonable explanation. If we have anything else than 2/4 this is a mind f*ck. Or could it be that for example... If you have the throne you have an investigative immunity? Would make sense. Still too many people in the KL result though.


Also... I don t buy that zivel and robik could be town at the same time, this is obvious. What are we expecting, 2 town vig with all the powers town already has against 4 poor little scum?
And good point by jwiedlin, mister X forgot to mention the possibility that there could be a godfather that flew under his radar.

[IAmRobik]

Oh and regarding legionnare:

Either he is scum and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is town and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is scum and robik didn t bleed him: interesting to interrogate him
Either he is town and robik didn t bleed him: we would out X to save a watcher/tracker

So robik, can you tell us a bit more, is it one full day to kill someone you bleeded? Also, did jak use his power in the nights before you took over the role?

Fp x2

Storr didn't tell me that jak used his power before, so i'm gonna assume no, but i'll double check
My power isn't a bleed
I did use my power on legion, but that doesn't mean that legion is going to die (not necessarily) -- especially after what legion outed about his role in out QT

[charm]

Ok interesting legionnare.
Here is the question though: how would you know who X is? How could you know we were talking of the same person? That s the flaw of your story.

News from the dread fort:

X visited braavos and says there is 1/5 anti town
Y tracked legionnare and he visited me. (Y does not control what he will learn at night). So this part adds up.

Basically, all your story adds up great, only that there is no way for you to know who X is, unless you can prove otherwise.

Fp

I assumed x was the same in both our cases, I Tracked someone who visited Pershy, you say someone revealed in your City QT that they also tracked someone visiting Pershy. Perhaps two people visited Pershy that night and my assumption about my player x being a doctor/other protective role is correct and your player x is someone different. I don't know.

So what you are saying basically;
A) you were so sure that pershy could have only been visited by the same person, therefore, the person you had been following. So the guy you had been following and tracking for 2 nights was necesairly mister X, just because you think it s improbable that 2 people could visit the same person the same night.
B) your story only works if you are both tracker and watcher. So far, all characters have spot on roles. I would like you to give your character name to give a better flavour of all this.
C) I see no reason not to out varys. Crasp kept on saying how scummy she looked in the QT and she is a proved liar. Lord varys is....

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charm!

D) I m almost tempted to ask you to tell us who X is according to you. But you are supposedly bleeding to death, so I think you are not worth lynching anyway. Either you die tomorow, either robik is a liar. If you came up with X s name, I would buy your story. But if you are town you have no need to out a town to save yourself if you are already dead walking... If you are not, well robik is a liar and we can have this conversation tomorrow.

So i m fine with hearing from the secret qt people. I keep on seeing people report bad vibes from charm/varys. What s all this about? Also, crasp hasn t revealed much details about that secret qt...

Fp

First, yes, I am Varys and I'm town!
I NEVER told CRASP any lies or anyone else in GoT.
I NEVER stated I was in Kings Landing
I thought CRASP was mafia because he said he sent his dogs after me. He seemed scummy to me for multiple reasons, but this was the biggest! So, I did not share much with him. I NEVER told him where I was, he assumed I was in KL - I'm not! I'm in STORMS END. I NEVER told him who was in Storms End and I NEVER told the STORMS END QT about Crasp. I shared with Crasp who I think might be mafia - I obviously have to rethink this completely because I totally had Crasp wrong!

@CRASP - Love you buddy, looking forward to the next game with you! And stay out of the Gardens in Forbidden City!!

[Zivel]

Update:

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Towns:

Braavos
Zivel (Arya Stark, can kill once per cycle if knows character and username)
IAmRobik
kgb007
Army of God

Kings Landing
Iron Butterfly (Brienne Tarth, self sacrifice bodyguard)
HotShot (Stannis Baratheon, Alignment Match Cop)
boonetown
27ninjabunnies
Strike Wolf
pershy (Shae, roleblocker)

The Dread Fort
crasp (Petyr Baelish, knows where the throne is)
firth4eva (Gregor Clegane, bulletproof)
Betiko (tree stump?)
mtamburini (TheonGreyjoy, busdriver)

Storms End
Jonty (Margaery Tyrell, Lover/Watcher of sorts?)
charm (Varys, has a private QT with Petyr Baelish)
Nebuchadnezer

Unknown
MudPuppy, SiriusCowKing, pancakemix, Epitaph1, jwiedlin, legionnare, pretender77 and that bloody throne.

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[Zivel]

Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Where is this lie?

...I would be happy to out varys and get a full claim...or perhaps we just have zivel deal with varys.

I am ok to do this but only if we get some more info, at the moment I dont see the case on charm to be enough to kill her.

[betiko]

Zivel, why the hell did you actively remove pretender from braavos? It s just starting to be annoying to see all these strange stuff with you. Did he leave town?
Also, i m not so sure about neb being in storm s end, he might just me in the secret qt with varys.

On the mud puppy thing. Dang. X wrote in our qt that his night 1 result in the dread fort said 2/5. It just doesn t add up!!

So reminder:
Night 1 dread fort: 2/5. Firth was lynched day 1 so 2/5 would make sense
Night 2 king s landing: 1/5. IB was dead, hotshots died that same night... Maybe hotshots was included as he was there the entire night?... Results come in when the night ends though
Night 3 braavos: 1/5. One player has investigative immunity?

[Zivel]

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Update:

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Towns:

Braavos
Zivel (Arya Stark, can kill once per cycle if knows character and username)
IAmRobik
kgb007
Army of God

Kings Landing
Iron Butterfly (Brienne Tarth, self sacrifice bodyguard)
HotShot (Stannis Baratheon, Alignment Match Cop)
boonetown
27ninjabunnies
Strike Wolf
pershy (Shae, roleblocker)

The Dread Fort
crasp (Petyr Baelish, knows where the throne is)
firth4eva (Gregor Clegane, bulletproof)
Betiko (tree stump?)
mtamburini (TheonGreyjoy, busdriver)

Storms End
Jonty (Margaery Tyrell, Lover/Watcher of sorts?)

Unknown
MudPuppy, SiriusCowKing, pancakemix, Nebuchadnezer, charm, Epitaph1, jwiedlin, legionnare, pretender77 and that bloody throne.

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Zivel, why the hell did you actively remove pretender from braavos? It s just starting to be annoying to see all these strange stuff with you. Did he leave town?
Also, i m not so sure about neb being in storm s end, he might just me in the secret qt with varys.

On the mud puppy thing. Dang. X wrote in our qt that his night 1 result in the dread fort said 2/5. It just doesn t add up!!

So reminder:
Night 1 dread fort: 2/5. Firth was lynched day 1 so 2/5 would make sense
Night 2 king s landing: 1/5. IB was dead, hotshots died that same night... Maybe hotshots was included as he was there the entire night?... Results come in when the night ends though
Night 3 braavos: 1/5. One player has investigative immunity?

Wtf are you talking about? I have never had pretender in braavos.... These random and wrong accusations are starting to annoy me.

I find varys to be somewhat scummy as well. It's interesting that varys lied to crasp...I feel varys has been rather dodgy within our QT. Even lying about his/her city is such a small thing, and I wouldn't understand why. However, this seem to fit with mafia play this game...I would be happy to out varys and get a full claim...or perhaps we just have zivel deal with varys.

There have been three scummy/questionable actions in our Qt that I didn't like. Nothing huge. Nothing I could make a case of ...but it's really starting to add up against Varys with this new info.

I will hold off outting as well...until we hear more players ask for it.

I have Neb in storms end from this but you are right, I will move him back next update, unless you want me to stop them....

Also I have already claimed that I am immune from investigation. But if that is true then that throws off those numbers a bit, we have no idea how many scum are immune to investigation. This mean that KL may not be mafia free....

[Zivel]

And actually after rereading Nebs post it definitely hints that he is in a private QT with charm rather than in her city. My mistake.

[legionnare]

@Betiko, the person I tracked was not charm. With that in mind I have to go with my first assumption of the powers of the person I tracked; that s/he has protective powers or roleblocking. As s/he visited crasp the first day and he still lived following day would suggest this, we have already taken out the mafia RB so the possibility remains that s/he is the Town Roleblocker.
S/he is of more use to town than I am so I will take his/her name with me to the grave regardless of what you do. Their identity must be protected at all costs considering the potential power of their role.

[legionnare]

Oh and regarding legionnare:

Either he is scum and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is town and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is scum and robik didn t bleed him: interesting to interrogate him
Either he is town and robik didn t bleed him: we would out X to save a watcher/tracker

So robik, can you tell us a bit more, is it one full day to kill someone you bleeded? Also, did jak use his power in the nights before you took over the role?

Fp x2

If I use my power again I die without being able to report the results so outing x to save watcher/tracker would be pointless. I say again, given the potential power of x's role his/her name will go to the grave with me.

[betiko]

huh? did I just made that up? i thought that we had 5/6 people known from braavos and that pretender was openly in braavos. i just looked in our qt and pretender isn't officially in our braavos list either... wtf? hadn't that been confirmed by him and or other braavos guys? (and no you didn't actively remove pretender from braavos in your list, i'm sorry zivel)

[betiko]

Oh and regarding legionnare:

Either he is scum and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is town and robik actually bleeded him: no point in telling, he is dead anyways
Either he is scum and robik didn t bleed him: interesting to interrogate him
Either he is town and robik didn t bleed him: we would out X to save a watcher/tracker

So robik, can you tell us a bit more, is it one full day to kill someone you bleeded? Also, did jak use his power in the nights before you took over the role?

Fp x2

If I use my power again I die without being able to report the results so outing x to save watcher/tracker would be pointless. I say again, given the potential power of x's role his/her name will go to the grave with me.

we can have that conversation again tomorrow if you are still alive though. X will have visited all 4 towns and if you are still there then robik lied. would still have to determine if you lied too.

[Epitaph1]

If I use my power again I die without being able to report the results so outing x to save watcher/tracker would be pointless. I say again, given the potential power of x's role his/her name will go to the grave with me.

I'm a little confused by this statement. Legion, you will die if you use your power again? If so, then you're essentially a VT at this point. Also, can you start using a different letter than "X" to describe your target? I'm getting confused because you and betiko are not talking about the same person at this point and he's been using X to describe one of the people in the Dreadfort for the past mafia day or so.

Night 1 dread fort: 2/5. Firth was lynched day 1 so 2/5 would make sense
Night 2 king s landing: 1/5. IB was dead, hotshots died that same night... Maybe hotshots was included as he was there the entire night?... Results come in when the night ends though
Night 3 braavos: 1/5. One player has investigative immunity?

Investigations are usually executed before NK's, so I think the 1/5 on KL was correct--at least so far as it recognized 5 people total in that location. As far as Braavos goes, I'm working on the assumption that each location started with 6--we at least know that the Dreadfort and KL started with 6. So, either X's investigation didn't recognize Zivel or there is another role there that isn't recognized.

If the investigation just didn't recognize Zivel and there really is only 1 anti-town in Braavos, there must be a few anti-town in Storm's End. If there are only 5 mafia, it would be the remaining two plus maybe a 3p (Varys)? 3 out of 6 seems like a lot of anti-town for one location though.

If the investigation didn't recognize another role, presumably anti-town, I still don't think it should call into question the KL investigation. The difference being that last night's result does not recognize all the current living members of Braavos, whereas the KL investigation was accurate on that point.

I'm voting Charm for the moment. I haven't liked the way she's played for much of the game and now she's been outed as lying to crasp, who's flipped town and who most of us agreed was town earlier on.

[kgb007]

More to comment on but not enough time right now but regarding the investigation results in braavos, I believe Zivel already restated he was immune so the results make sense to me, we started as 6 and we're still 6.

Since AOG is already confirmed as a fellow braavosian, he's my top pick as our scum. He basically stated in the middle of D3 that he won't be posting in our QT (not that he had been there or here very much) bc of his suspicions of jak. I'll admit that jaks style can be annoying and throw scum vibes but I've played with him multiple times now in which his style is the same regardless of alignment. We've since seen an uptick in discussion primarily between Zivel, rob and another player who hasn't come forward with his location in the main discussion.

Still don't like charm. It was a half claim, no night abilities/actions. Your only power is to sit in a special QT by yourself now? You didn't trust crasp why? He claimed D1. It's easy to speak ill of the deceased when they're not around to defend themselves but why did you think he was scum? We know he's not so why would he lie about anything regarding varys? Something doesn't add up. Maybe betiko can clarify the lie he seems to heard about charm but betiko/crasp' word against your's

[betiko]

More to comment on but not enough time right now but regarding the investigation results in braavos, I believe Zivel already restated he was immune so the results make sense to me, we started as 6 and we're still 6.

Since AOG is already confirmed as a fellow braavosian, he's my top pick as our scum. He basically stated in the middle of D3 that he won't be posting in our QT (not that he had been there or here very much) bc of his suspicions of jak. I'll admit that jaks style can be annoying and throw scum vibes but I've played with him multiple times now in which his style is the same regardless of alignment. We've since seen an uptick in discussion primarily between Zivel, rob and another player who hasn't come forward with his location in the main discussion.

Still don't like charm. It was a half claim, no night abilities/actions. Your only power is to sit in a special QT by yourself now? You didn't trust crasp why? He claimed D1. It's easy to speak ill of the deceased when they're not around to defend themselves but why did you think he was scum? We know he's not so why would he lie about anything regarding varys? Something doesn't add up. Maybe betiko can clarify the lie he seems to heard about charm but betiko/crasp' word against your's

I ve already said it, crasp said that varys/charm told him she was king s landing (before the entire king s landing population was discovered).

[strike wolf]

So wait. Why would Zivel need investigation immunity?

[IAmRobik]

Update:

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Towns:

Braavos
Zivel (Arya Stark, can kill once per cycle if knows character and username)
IAmRobik
kgb007
Army of God

Kings Landing
Iron Butterfly (Brienne Tarth, self sacrifice bodyguard)
HotShot (Stannis Baratheon, Alignment Match Cop)
boonetown
27ninjabunnies
Strike Wolf
pershy (Shae, roleblocker)

The Dread Fort
crasp (Petyr Baelish, knows where the throne is)
firth4eva (Gregor Clegane, bulletproof)
Betiko (tree stump?)
mtamburini (TheonGreyjoy, busdriver)

Storms End
Jonty (Margaery Tyrell, Lover/Watcher of sorts?)
charm (Varys, has a private QT with Petyr Baelish)
Nebuchadnezer

Unknown
MudPuppy, SiriusCowKing, pancakemix, Epitaph1, jwiedlin, legionnare, pretender77 and that bloody throne.

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-That's so insanely complicated. I'll just go through page by page.
-Re: your list of people. Why are we hiding the location of certain individuals? So far we have no indication that mafia aren't in every city, so people not revealing their location is stupid. As town we need all the information we can get. Hiding something so trivial seems really silly to me and could potentially be detrimental.

[IAmRobik]

Zivel, why the hell did you actively remove pretender from braavos? It s just starting to be annoying to see all these strange stuff with you. Did he leave town?
Also, i m not so sure about neb being in storm s end, he might just me in the secret qt with varys.

On the mud puppy thing. Dang. X wrote in our qt that his night 1 result in the dread fort said 2/5. It just doesn t add up!!

So reminder:
Night 1 dread fort: 2/5. Firth was lynched day 1 so 2/5 would make sense
Night 2 king s landing: 1/5. IB was dead, hotshots died that same night... Maybe hotshots was included as he was there the entire night?... Results come in when the night ends though
Night 3 braavos: 1/5. One player has investigative immunity?

What if Storr rands 5 names out of the # of players in the city and then gives the # of out 5 -- which would make the mechanic less broken?

[betiko]

If I use my power again I die without being able to report the results so outing x to save watcher/tracker would be pointless. I say again, given the potential power of x's role his/her name will go to the grave with me.

I'm a little confused by this statement. Legion, you will die if you use your power again? If so, then you're essentially a VT at this point. Also, can you start using a different letter than "X" to describe your target? I'm getting confused because you and betiko are not talking about the same person at this point and he's been using X to describe one of the people in the Dreadfort for the past mafia day or so.

Night 1 dread fort: 2/5. Firth was lynched day 1 so 2/5 would make sense
Night 2 king s landing: 1/5. IB was dead, hotshots died that same night... Maybe hotshots was included as he was there the entire night?... Results come in when the night ends though
Night 3 braavos: 1/5. One player has investigative immunity?

Investigations are usually executed before NK's, so I think the 1/5 on KL was correct--at least so far as it recognized 5 people total in that location. As far as Braavos goes, I'm working on the assumption that each location started with 6--we at least know that the Dreadfort and KL started with 6. So, either X's investigation didn't recognize Zivel or there is another role there that isn't recognized.

If the investigation just didn't recognize Zivel and there really is only 1 anti-town in Braavos, there must be a few anti-town in Storm's End. If there are only 5 mafia, it would be the remaining two plus maybe a 3p (Varys)? 3 out of 6 seems like a lot of anti-town for one location though.

If the investigation didn't recognize another role, presumably anti-town, I still don't think it should call into question the KL investigation. The difference being that last night's result does not recognize all the current living members of Braavos, whereas the KL investigation was accurate on that point.

I'm voting Charm for the moment. I haven't liked the way she's played for much of the game and now she's been outed as lying to crasp, who's flipped town and who most of us agreed was town earlier on.

Basically, legionnare s defense is that he thinks he knows who X is, and he came up with a nice little story where he first watched crasp N1, saw that someone visited crasp so he decided to track that someone on night 2, and that someone visited pershy N2 just like X. His whole story is based on the fact that he was 100% sure that crasp was town, and he was 100% sure that only one person could have visited pershy on night 2, therefore he thinks he knows who is the real X.

His whole defense relies on this, which is weak as piss. Robik most likely killed him though.

Robik, I think at this point you need to tell us what exactly you have done to legion. It is not clear and I am just assuming the person dies the following day/night.

I think it s very likely that if robik/jak has such power, jak targeted someone (hotshots is my best guess) night 1 and he didn t end up dead before ond of night 2? Then jak didn t use or didn t have time to use it night 2 that s why there was only one kill night 3?

Fp a few times

[IAmRobik]

If I use my power again I die without being able to report the results so outing x to save watcher/tracker would be pointless. I say again, given the potential power of x's role his/her name will go to the grave with me.

I'm a little confused by this statement. Legion, you will die if you use your power again? If so, then you're essentially a VT at this point. Also, can you start using a different letter than "X" to describe your target? I'm getting confused because you and betiko are not talking about the same person at this point and he's been using X to describe one of the people in the Dreadfort for the past mafia day or so.

Night 1 dread fort: 2/5. Firth was lynched day 1 so 2/5 would make sense
Night 2 king s landing: 1/5. IB was dead, hotshots died that same night... Maybe hotshots was included as he was there the entire night?... Results come in when the night ends though
Night 3 braavos: 1/5. One player has investigative immunity?

Investigations are usually executed before NK's, so I think the 1/5 on KL was correct--at least so far as it recognized 5 people total in that location. As far as Braavos goes, I'm working on the assumption that each location started with 6--we at least know that the Dreadfort and KL started with 6. So, either X's investigation didn't recognize Zivel or there is another role there that isn't recognized.

If the investigation just didn't recognize Zivel and there really is only 1 anti-town in Braavos, there must be a few anti-town in Storm's End. If there are only 5 mafia, it would be the remaining two plus maybe a 3p (Varys)? 3 out of 6 seems like a lot of anti-town for one location though.

If the investigation didn't recognize another role, presumably anti-town, I still don't think it should call into question the KL investigation. The difference being that last night's result does not recognize all the current living members of Braavos, whereas the KL investigation was accurate on that point.

I'm voting Charm for the moment. I haven't liked the way she's played for much of the game and now she's been outed as lying to crasp, who's flipped town and who most of us agreed was town earlier on.

Basically, legionnare s defense is that he thinks he knows who X is, and he came up with a nice little story where he first watched crasp N1, saw that someone visited crasp so he decided to track that someone on night 2, and that someone visited pershy N2 just like X. His whole story is based on the fact that he was 100% sure that crasp was town, and he was 100% sure that only one person could have visited pershy on night 2, therefore he thinks he knows who is the real X.

His whole defense relies on this, which is weak as piss. Robik most likely killed him though.

Robik, I think at this point you need to tell us what exactly you have done to legion. It is not clear and I am just assuming the person dies the following day/night.

I think it s very likely that if robik/jak has such power, jak targeted someone (hotshots is my best guess) night 1 and he didn t end up dead before ond of night 2? Then jak didn t use or didn t have time to use it night 2 that s why there was only one kill night 3?

Fp a few times

We can discuss my ability at a later time, but it's not the bleeding you perceive it to be. I said earlier that I thought it could be completely useless and that maybe I wouldn't be able to kill anyone anyway, so you can think about it and make of it what you'd like. There's a chance that death by a shot is instant, but I would not know it until it happens.

Blah, I hate being this cryptic, but I don't want to just out that shit cause there's no good reason to at this moment. Also, legion might not die tomorrow. 1) it depends on me and whether we decide that he's town 2) it depends on legion's role -- from what he said about his role in our QT, he might not die

[SiriusCowKing]

Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

[betiko]

Well too bad for crasp... I understand better his qt thing with varys, but he was never very eloquent about it. We just know who varys is and that the discussions were extremely unproductive with that person. That person lied and said he/she was in king s landing while it s obviously not true by the way. Crasp kept on saying varys is scummy... But didn t give us any real evidence.
I have no problem to out varys if you guys want to.

Fp

Sounds like the best lead. Funny thing is, varys is charm, and I had my votes on her from day 2. I will go ahead and ##vote charm. I hope people listen to me more next time I have a theory.

For those who still doesn't get it, here is how I knew charm was anti-town from day 2:
-Night 1, charm and strike wolf get roleblocked, only 1 kill occurs. We now know that strike wolf is town so charm is the anti-town that was denied a kill.
-Night 2, the mafia roleblocker admits blocking bunnies, which we know was town. 2 kills occur. There was only 1 roleblock this night but there are many possibilities of why only 1 roleblock.
-Night 3, only 1 kill occurs but IAmRobik admits trying on legion and legion comes out saying his role had resilience. This proves that the normal amount of kills per night is 2, so a kill was indeed blocked in night 1. So far no one claims to have been roleblocked.

Legion's theory is that she would be the town roleblock, which actually makes me think he's trying to protect her and thus they are both mafia. If she was the town roleblocker, how could there be 2 roleblocks night 1. If it was the case, she would have been prevented from using her power and thus strike wolf would not have been roleblocked.

1) your theory is completely flawed, we tried to explain it to you many times. you cannot conclude that the fact that charm got roleblocked night 1 is the direct cause of only 1 kill night 1. there can be a million reasons. just take jak/robik's role who kills with 1 day delay; if he targets night 1 the person isn't dead before night 2. Even if there wasn't that role around, there are tons of other explanations that could work

2) how do you know there was only 1 roleblock on night 2? there is only 1 KNOWN roleblock N2 which is completely different.

3) no you don't understand ever what is happening gosh. Robik said that people don't die immediately when he targets them. This has nothing to do with legion's role, he never claimed such thing (he claimed watcher+tracker)

4) when exactly did legion say that charm is the town roleblock?

dude, seriously, do you ever read the thread, or just one post in every while, and the rest you just make it up? focus gosh! I'm tired of telling you that everything you say is inacurate. Not saying that charm isn't mafia, but your case has more holes than a swiss cheese.

[betiko]

We can discuss my ability at a later time, but it's not the bleeding you perceive it to be. I said earlier that I thought it could be completely useless and that maybe I wouldn't be able to kill anyone anyway, so you can think about it and make of it what you'd like. There's a chance that death by a shot is instant, but I would not know it until it happens.

Blah, I hate being this cryptic, but I don't want to just out that shit cause there's no good reason to at this moment. Also, legion might not die tomorrow. 1) it depends on me and whether we decide that he's town 2) it depends on legion's role -- from what he said about his role in our QT, he might not die

ok hadn't seen this post sorry.

well what do we do now? I think I might want to ask legion who he thinks X is then, if he isn't going to die, cause I'm still not buying his story. It all relies on an accumulation of improbable things and conclusions he shouldn't have made (crasp 100% town, 100% sure pershy could only be visited by 1 person...)

Robik, why the hell tell yesterday that you are a vig, then today come up and say the oposite? we didn't ask you shit yesterday and you came up with all your vig BS threatening to shoot everyone. Then last night you asked who you should target. You cannot just lie like that. I'm in favour of getting your claim. there is no way town has 2 killer roles.