It was great, accept it is over America

[shickingbrits]

The BRICS don't pose a minor threat, they are currently a minor threat, they pose a massive one.

[tzor]

The BRICS don't pose a minor threat, they are currently a minor threat, they pose a massive one.

BRICS vs. the dollar: The latest challenges

One reason that BRICS is not a major threat to the USA at present is that there is no lack of tension between the various members. This is particularly true of India, with which China shares a long and long-disputed border.

I suspect that any relationship between India and China is going to collapse in the medium term. Both wants to outdo the other and if India gets its acts together China will see that as a national threat.

[shickingbrits]

The BRICs caused a chain reaction. If you notice from the list on wiki, the US's inability to challenge the BRICs encouraged many of China's trading partners to engage in direct currency swaps. Last summer was not a good one for the US. After refusing to repatriate Germany's gold and the heated run-up to the debt ceiling, some of the US's longest standing allies jumped ship.

India and China? Who are you, Vince McMahon? Were did you sniff up this idea? You may find a few die hard patriotic Indians who would vehemently agree with you, but not really.

[BoganGod]

Nice to see conversation has morphed into who will take America's place. China or India?
China obviously -
Chinese migrants/expatriates remain chinese
Indian migrants/expatriates take on the identity of their new country, whilst still retaining some ethnic/cultural traits, language, food and religion.
A child born in New Zealand, to indian migrant parents would think of himself/herself as a kiwi,and would be encouraged to do so by his/her parents.
Not the same for a child born in New Zealand, to Chinese migrant parents.
Assimilation weakens nationalism for the country of racial origin. Indians assimilate better. Please to british readers, there is a big difference between pakistan and indian. I referring to indians....

[GoranZ]

Where are US enemies?

Here:


Happy hunting... if you can catch them

[mrswdk]

India and China? Who are you, Vince McMahon? Were did you sniff up this idea? You may find a few die hard patriotic Indians who would vehemently agree with you, but not really.

Once again, your understanding of the on-the-ground situation here shines bright like a star.

[shickingbrits]

India can't even agree on a government, has tied itself too much to the west, has destroyed their base, riots each time they play cricket with Pakistan.

I wish India the best luck in the world, because they need it.

[mrswdk]

Oh, your point was that India is not a real rival to China? No objections there.

[BoganGod]

Oh, your point was that India is not a real rival to China? No objections there.

Point and shitsondicks in the same sentance. You sir are on drugs.

[shickingbrits]

That feeling you crave Bogan...it's the destruction of your brain cells.

[tzor]

India and China? Who are you, Vince McMahon? Were did you sniff up this idea? You may find a few die hard patriotic Indians who would vehemently agree with you, but not really.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm not. I used to work for Acclaim Entertainment where Greg Fischbach partnered with Vince McMahon to work on a wrestling game series until the two ego's bashed into each other and Acclaim got the franchise for ECW for a while until it went bankrupt.

So, I take it you have no faith whatsoever in Narendra Damodardas Modi's effort to revitalize the nation?

PM Modi: India offers essential 3Ds to Japan - democracy, demography & demand

NEW DELHI: Inviting Japanese investors to 'Make in India', Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Tuesday said, "There is no better place than India for Japanese investors. India is one of the most competitive markets in the world."

Addressing Japan's Nikkei Exchange, Modi said that India offers the three essential 'Ds' for businessmen to thrive namely; Democracy, Demography and Demand. "It is important for Japan to move to low cost hubs of manufacturing."

One should also point out that over time, Russia and China still have major sticking points. The Middle of the BRICS is not as solid as one might think.

The power of the Middle East to screw everybody over cannot be underestimated.

[shickingbrits]

Japan already has low cost hubs of manufacturing, in China.

Imagine New York to DC as a continual chain of specialized electronic component and plastic component manufacturers, with a skilled staff available. Now imagine the same thing from San Diego to San Fran. What happens to the supply chain, human resources and transport networks for an individual company that says, let's move to Mexico?

India's hot. It's hard to get shit done in the heat. Offering a competitive platform means promising long-term commitments, which is not possible in a democracy, and an exhaustive initial investment.

India would need to do what Canada does: engage in bad deals to get the business flowing. But would be subject to the same problems that Canada faces; either the money runs out and the businesses with it, or the voters get tired and a new government is voted in that dissolves the promises.

I'm not saying that some companies won't open up shop and take advantage of the market, just that I don't foresee a major shift. If such a shift is to come, then it will be Indian subcontinent, and Middle Eastern manufacturers making use of the labour pool. But if India cannot convince Indians to produce out of India, then I don't suspect they can convince the Japanese.

[AndyDufresne]

India's hot. It's hard to get shit done in the heat.

This is the kind of insightful posting I look for in the Off Topics.


--Andy

[tzor]

Japan already has low cost hubs of manufacturing, in China.

Wage inflation is already a problem in China.

Imagine New York to DC as a continual chain of specialized electronic component and plastic component manufacturers, with a skilled staff available. Now imagine the same thing from San Diego to San Fran. What happens to the supply chain, human resources and transport networks for an individual company that says, let's move to Mexico?

This happens all the time. Yes, lots of people moved to Mexico. Article from last year.

MEXICO CITY — Robert Moser moved the manufacturing of his company's lines of cleaning products and kitchen gadgets to China during the last decade. Now his company is moving its manufacturing again — to Mexico.

India's hot. It's hard to get shit done in the heat. Offering a competitive platform means promising long-term commitments, which is not possible in a democracy, and an exhaustive initial investment.

I don't seem to recall it being so hot as to not get shit done when I went there in 2005, but I could easily be wrong. Here are the climatic map and temperature map of India as reported in Wikipedia ...

I'm not saying that some companies won't open up shop and take advantage of the market, just that I don't foresee a major shift. If such a shift is to come, then it will be Indian subcontinent, and Middle Eastern manufacturers making use of the labour pool. But if India cannot convince Indians to produce out of India, then I don't suspect they can convince the Japanese.

Things don't happen overnight, but clearly things happen. India has a whole heap of things it needs to do. Then again, so does China.

[shickingbrits]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20140701/main2.htm

Looks like someone can help set India up.

[Phatscotty]

IDK, someone made the point to me that USA is leading the way in the new revolution, the age of information. Sure, China has all the factories and robust growth year after year, but what are they manufacturing? American/other foreign countries ideas for the most part. I might get some feedback on that one, but hey, as an American, I know where all the companies have been moving. They didn't move to China to start a new business, they moved there to get cheap labor and escape expensive government while they are still running their American markets (and going global of course). China is having their own industrial revolution, sure, but USA is way past that. I'm not saying China isn't doing great things in IT or isn't inventing anything or doesn't contribute, of course they do. But I am saying a lot of what they do is build things based on stolen/pirated technology, or build things that were originally created elsewhere. Sure they may very well be number 1 in the future, but they still send a great many of their students to study over here (and of course other countries). I know a handful of people who have went over there to study or to work, and more than half of them have come back, maybe all of them we aren't in touch at the moment. I know for sure one of them who we always regarded as the genius we knew, he always spoke so positively about China and was absolutely in love with China, was 'asked' to leave and he still has a bad taste in his mouth about it. But bottom line the science and innovation and breakthroughs are still happening in America. That of course won't last forever, but it's certainly true now and for at least the next decade.

Just a point that was made by someone else (somewhat expanded upon by me) that gave me a look at it from a different angle.

[BoganGod]

That feeling you crave Bogan...it's the destruction of your brain cells.

So that is your excuse? You are destroying what little brain cells you have left. Me, I gave up drinking three years ago. Now run along back to the atheistic morality thread and troll that for a while. Give the adults time to talk in here. Thank you kiddo.

Ps - Tell me if your coming over this side of the world. My car needs cleaning, and I bet your great at licking windows.

[tzor]

IDK, someone made the point to me that USA is leading the way in the new revolution, the age of information. Sure, China has all the factories and robust growth year after year, but what are they manufacturing? American/other foreign countries ideas for the most part. I might get some feedback on that one, but hey, as an American, I know where all the companies have been moving. They didn't move to China to start a new business, they moved there to get cheap labor and escape expensive government while they are still running their American markets (and going global of course).

Right now the biggest problem to a true "American" global takeover is that foreign profit is reluctant to reenter the United States because of the double taxation of the profit in the foreign country and then again in the United States. If this was eliminated, I think you would soon see complaints about American companies raping foreign markets for profit as the money returned back to be invested in the US to develop more innovation.

[tzor]

That feeling you crave Bogan...it's the destruction of your brain cells.

So that is your excuse? You are destroying what little brain cells you have left. Me, I gave up drinking three years ago.

"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it's the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

[GoranZ]

I'm not saying China isn't doing great things in IT or isn't inventing anything or doesn't contribute, of course they do. But I am saying a lot of what they do is build things based on stolen/pirated technology

IT is based on two things(both are legal in China )... Steal or make it on your own, Chinese can steal or someone can steal for them but eater way there are no IT problems for Chinese now. If you think that US is decades ahead of China in IT industry you can stop dreaming, they are not since there are available workarounds On top owning companies like Facebook or Twitter with all their services doesn't have absolutely no impact in making US as software leading nation.

P.S. Whats the most interesting part is that I'm not sure who will adapt faster, China without US IT industry or US without Chines manufacturing plants