Sharia law

[knittem]

Here in Holland as in lots of European countries at the moment we have muslims that would like sharia law in certain areas where there's a heavy muslim porportion of the population. I would like to know whether you wouldn't mind living under sharia law and can you see it happening here in Europe?

[waauw]

Never going to happen. Segregation of church and state is a very strong ideal within european culture.
Not to mention, the increasing anti-muslim sentiment.

Just to mention an example. Here in Belgium the party leader of N-VA, the largest party in my country, openly criticized the Berber communities in my country for not adapting to european culture. He said and I quote: "Racism is too easily used as an excuse for personal failure, especially by some ethnicities, like the Maroccon community. I have never met an asian immigrant who felt himself a victim of racism. I have also barely seen them in any criminality figures. Massively we allowed the wrong type of immigrant to enter our country, ..."

[BoganGod]

You don't live under sharia law. Sharia law can be an add on, or complimentary to the law of the land. Happens in England for example. Both parties have to agree to be tried under sharia law. In Australia we have some sentencing and law courts dealing with aboriginal tribal laws and practises rather than white law. Works well for those from traditional communities and leads to less re offending.

[patches70]

party leader of N-VA... "Racism is too easily used as an excuse for personal failure, especially by some ethnicities, like the Maroccon community. I have never met an asian immigrant who felt himself a victim of racism. I have also barely seen them in any criminality figures. Massively we allowed the wrong type of immigrant to enter our country, ..."

Hahaha! What an idiot, the irony in his statement is deliciously apparent.

I would like to know whether you wouldn't mind living under sharia law

As to the OP, hell no, I wouldn't live under Sharia law.

can you see it happening here in Europe?

IDK, are the demographic outlooks accurate? If so, then maybe. Native Europeans aren't having babies where as the immigrants are so some studies say. Others say that's not true, I have no idea. But when a nation gets to the point where a large enough majority want something then its going to happen one way or another (likely through violence if need be),and if the more dire of the demographic data is true then Europe is heading into dire straights in another couple of generations.

[waauw]

party leader of N-VA... "Racism is too easily used as an excuse for personal failure, especially by some ethnicities, like the Maroccon community. I have never met an asian immigrant who felt himself a victim of racism. I have also barely seen them in any criminality figures. Massively we allowed the wrong type of immigrant to enter our country, ..."

Hahaha! What an idiot, the irony in his statement is deliciously apparent.

Whatever the irony, what he says is true. He should not generalize of course but then again that's what ever nationalist leader does.

Nevertheless, what I want to poin out was that it says a lot of what society thinks when the most popular politician speaks against certain immigrants.
Bart De Wever actually had the opportunity to become prime minister of my country for the current government, but he declined as he was already mayor of Antwerp.

And Belgium is not a sole case. In france Marie Le Pen has grown in popularity, in the Netherlands you've got Geert Wilders and in Germany there was major controversy surrounding the Pegida-movement. Neither of these countries are the most anti-muslimist in europe, that prize position is probably reserved for Italy or Denmark.
Europe is drastically and rapidly radicalizing against muslims. If such insidious evolutions keep progressing, things certainly look grim.

[DaGip]

Unfortunately, you are all a bunch of silly "christian" dreamers. Islam has the only true believers...the Christians only pretend to believe. Too bad. It was a good go. Enjoy having your heads cut off...you pagan, infidels!

[knittem]

Unfortunately, you are all a bunch of silly "christian" dreamers. Islam has the only true believers...the Christians only pretend to believe. Too bad. It was a good go. Enjoy having your heads cut off...you pagan, infidels!

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

[saxitoxin]

There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention.

What's the word for algebra in Dutch?

[DaGip]

Unfortunately, you are all a bunch of silly "christian" dreamers. Islam has the only true believers...the Christians only pretend to believe. Too bad. It was a good go. Enjoy having your heads cut off...you pagan, infidels!

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

I am not joking. So-called Christians are failing because they are wrapped up between what is being programmed to them through television and music. Meanwhile, the Muslims that are wanting to kill you are wrapped up in reciting the Quran...the Law of Allah given to the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) through the angel Gabriel. The Christians in this country would like to just believe that everything is being taken care of for them. They can keep watching their reality TV shows and sporting their "Christian" jewelry and hot Cross "Christian" jeans.

These guys (the Muslims/ISIS) want to destroy you, yet everyone in America and the Western hemisphere want to believe it's not true. The whole of Western Civilization is in utter denial over this and continue to bury their heads in the sand.

Because of your lack of love for God only gives the Muslims that much power over you and your children.

There are some "muslims" that want to leave and become Westernized; but those are not "muslims". They are apostates. You confuse true Muslims with apostates. There is no confusion.

Because of the West's confusion with Islam, Islam has the upper hand.

This is not a war to destroy just the United States...it is a war to destroy ALL OF WESTERNIZED CIVILIZATION!

Get it through your skull!

Ok. Now go back to thinking that the Kardashians and Justin Beeber are somehow really important to world affairs.

[DaGip]

For those that think Muslims did nothing to better humanity...you are sadly mistaken. And to think that Islamic scientists are not accomplishing anything in the world? Come on!

[waauw]

For those that think Muslims did nothing to better humanity...you are sadly mistaken. And to think that Islamic scientists are not accomplishing anything in the world? Come on!

Though it is undeniable the former great ottoman and saracen empires were advanced, your video makes quite a number of mistakes. Several of the so-called muslim inventions/discoveries were merely re-inventions, re-discoveries or alterations from ancient technologies and knowledge. The idea of a spherical earth has been around for thousands of years, the windmill is way older than the video says, body armour had been used by numerous civilizations in both the western and eastern ancient world and current indications show the ancient egyptians might have had the technology to build planes(thrown into the sky by catapult-like contraptions). These were only the few that jumped to mind, but I'm guessing there might be more mistakes in that video.

[waauw]

The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

Not exactly exclusive the Quran considering many other holy scriptures around the world, especially the old testament.

[GoranZ]

Unfortunately, you are all a bunch of silly "christian" dreamers. Islam has the only true believers...the Christians only pretend to believe. Too bad. It was a good go. Enjoy having your heads cut off...you pagan, infidels!

Christianity is not Islams biggest enemy... Atheism is.

These guys (the Muslims/ISIS) want to destroy you, yet everyone in America and the Western hemisphere want to believe it's not true. The whole of Western Civilization is in utter denial over this and continue to bury their heads in the sand.

ISIS doesn't have a capacity to create any damage without external support. They only use infrastructure created by Sadam, and weapons from US. The irony to be bigger they have no chances vs regular Syrian Army without support from all Arabian countries, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Without that support Assad forces will make soap from them
On top of everything you are afraid from ISIS commercial. You are a weak men, you are chicken.

There are some "muslims" that want to leave and become Westernized; but those are not "muslims". They are apostates. You confuse true Muslims with apostates. There is no confusion.

Because of the West's confusion with Islam, Islam has the upper hand.

This is not a war to destroy just the United States...it is a war to destroy ALL OF WESTERNIZED CIVILIZATION!

You, all Muslims and many of westerners think that numeric superiority is decisive for defeating an enemy... I will only say... What an idiotic thinking.
History(Spartans, Athenians, Macedonians, Teutons, Germans, Russians, British... and quadrillion others) has shown how wrong are you.
The irony to be bigger 70 million Muslims failed to take 3 million Israelis multiple times in the last 65 years... they failed every single time, if all Muslims in the world make simultaneous attack on 7 million Israelis the outcome would be failure for the Muslims.

[waauw]

You, all Muslims and many of westerners think that numeric superiority is decisive for defeating an enemy... I will only say... What an idiotic thinking.

Asymetrical warfare does have its advantages. The ancient persian empire used to conquer and beat many civilizations by just throwing numerous immortals at their opponents. There are only 4 ways for an inferior army to defeat a larger opponent: technology, military discipline, superior ground positioning and brilliance of leadership
Though I would agree, neither of the 4 apply to ISIS, to assume numeric superiority can not be a decisive factor seems like a stretch.

[GoranZ]

You, all Muslims and many of westerners think that numeric superiority is decisive for defeating an enemy... I will only say... What an idiotic thinking.

Asymetrical warfare does have its advantages. The ancient persian empire used to conquer and beat many civilizations by just throwing numerous immortals at their opponents. There are only 4 ways for an inferior army to defeat a larger opponent: technology, military discipline, superior ground positioning and brilliance of leadership
Though I would agree, neither of the 4 apply to ISIS, to assume numeric superiority can not be a decisive factor seems like a stretch.

Ancient Persian Empire was crushed by 30.000 Ancient Macedonians although they were sending 10 times more men on multiple occasions. Ancient Macedonians had at least 3 out of 4 reasons to defeat the Persians.
There is one more thing that ISIS and previously Ancient Persians and generally Muslims fail to do... They fail to learn from their previous mistakes. If we take for example Winter War, we will see that Russians failed in it miserably, but they learned their lesson just in time for WWII.

P.S. For some more men the enemy has the stronger he is... but for some it means there are more targets

[khazalid]

an amusingly pithy aphorism, that.

[Dukasaur]

I can't see the Forest for the Trees.

[khazalid]

buttercup clearing's thataway, man. >>>

[riskllama]

any S.O.D fans in here? probly not. oh well, here goes...

f*ck the middle east
there's too many problems
they just get in the way
we could sure live without 'em

they hijack our planes
they raise our oil prices
we'll kill em all
and have a ball
and end their fuckin' crisis

[JBlombier]

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

lol, with backward religion, I'm sure you mean the Dutch word "achterlijk" (which means as much as retarded). So you're saying that we can expect the vast minority of 'foreigners' (the OP means Turkish and Moroccan people) who have had an inevitable backlog in language, to be scientists.
Funny thing is, against all odds, they actually do accomplish something in Holland. Not all of them of course, but I see an equal amount of 'native' ass-holes screwing up their lives and an equal amount that graduates.

Everytime I hear someone like you rant, I find that I sound too politically correct and that it doesn't exactly cover what I want to say.
I ease my mind with the thought that you, fellow Dutchman knittem, have spoken absolute bullshit from the second you entered this forum. If you really wish to take this stance on our vibrant country, you should move to a most desolate place (the Limburg Mergel-grotten misschien?). Because really, Dutch people are proud of their tolerance and we don't need people like you. Pick a destination, I'll pay your ticket.

- JBlombier

PS. Your argument about the Quran counts for the bible as well, but I really don't want to emphasize that part. Just a little heads-up.

[knittem]

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

lol, with backward religion, I'm sure you mean the Dutch word "achterlijk" (which means as much as retarded). So you're saying that we can expect the vast minority of 'foreigners' (the OP means Turkish and Moroccan people) who have had an inevitable backlog in language, to be scientists.
Funny thing is, against all odds, they actually do accomplish something in Holland. Not all of them of course, but I see an equal amount of 'native' ass-holes screwing up their lives and an equal amount that graduates.

Everytime I hear someone like you rant, I find that I sound too politically correct and that it doesn't exactly cover what I want to say.
I ease my mind with the thought that you, fellow Dutchman knittem, have spoken absolute bullshit from the second you entered this forum. If you really wish to take this stance on our vibrant country, you should move to a most desolate place (the Limburg Mergel-grotten misschien?). Because really, Dutch people are proud of their tolerance and we don't need people like you. Pick a destination, I'll pay your ticket.

- JBlombier

PS. Your argument about the Quran counts for the bible as well, but I really don't want to emphasize that part. Just a little heads-up.

You fail to see the big picture my friend. Wherever islam is there are problems, wars, oppression, etc...... I agree, there are some fantastic muslim people who have added great things to history but they are far outnumbered by the creations and ideology of western thinking people.

What I find most interesting in the quran ( which leads me to think it was written by an idiot ) is when Mohammed wants seks, then Allah Always seems to tell him it's ok. Mohammed wants seks with his sons ex-wife - Allah condones it. Mohammed wants seks with his slaves - Allah condones it. Mohammed wants seks with a 9 year old - Allah condones it. mohammed wants more than one wife - Allah condones it. Mohammed wants to rape the women of Jews that his army has defeated - Allah condones it. Even though all of these things are said to be against Islam in different parts of the quran. I could go on and on but I won't.

Ps.........What you think of me means not one iota to me! You have the ideology that if I'm not happy with the islamic invasion of Europe then I must leave my homeland. You are a nazi indoctrinated by a very poor education system. Obviously you don't realize it. Prettige Pasen vriendje

[saxitoxin]

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

lol, with backward religion, I'm sure you mean the Dutch word "achterlijk" (which means as much as retarded). So you're saying that we can expect the vast minority of 'foreigners' (the OP means Turkish and Moroccan people) who have had an inevitable backlog in language, to be scientists.
Funny thing is, against all odds, they actually do accomplish something in Holland. Not all of them of course, but I see an equal amount of 'native' ass-holes screwing up their lives and an equal amount that graduates.

Everytime I hear someone like you rant, I find that I sound too politically correct and that it doesn't exactly cover what I want to say.
I ease my mind with the thought that you, fellow Dutchman knittem, have spoken absolute bullshit from the second you entered this forum. If you really wish to take this stance on our vibrant country, you should move to a most desolate place (the Limburg Mergel-grotten misschien?). Because really, Dutch people are proud of their tolerance and we don't need people like you. Pick a destination, I'll pay your ticket.

- JBlombier

PS. Your argument about the Quran counts for the bible as well, but I really don't want to emphasize that part. Just a little heads-up.

You fail to see the big picture my friend. Wherever islam is there are problems, wars, oppression, etc.

Another way of phrasing this is: there are wars in every state within 500km of the Israeli border.

So if we want to end war, do we get rid of Islam or get rid of Israel?

[waauw]

There are no wars in Indonesia, which is the world's largest Muslim state. There are no wars in Turkey or Bangladesh which are the 3rd and 4th largest Muslim states in the world.

In other words:

• - There are wars in Muslim states in the Arab world.
  - There are not wars in Muslim states outside the Arab world.

So that's not a pattern.

But this is a pattern:

• - There are wars in every state within 500km of the Israeli border.

If we want to end war, do we get rid of Islam or get rid of Israel?

To be fair, even in those corners of the world there are problems with muslim radicalism. Up until a few years ago, there was still civil war in the southern part of the Philippines because of muslim separatists who wanted to live under Sharia law. In Turkey, traditionally the most western-minded muslim country there is a hard confrontation between western enlightened values and middle eastern values. This conflict is somewhat impersonated by the current president erdogan, who wants to turn Turkey more muslim, while many turks still follow Atatürk's line of thought(more westernized). Now I've got no idea what people in the americas think about it but the mere fact that Europeans, Russians, Chinese and Indians all don't like muslims does say something.

That being said, in europe the problem is Saudi arabian financing. They finance practically all the mosques in europe and they seem to import many of the Imam's. It's fine if people want to be muslim, but in europe they should hold european values. The Saudi's are heavily thwarting us, by spreading their own middle-eastern values through said methods. So yeah, the problem is that we don't build up our own european style Islam just as the chinese did with catholicism.

[knittem]

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

lol, with backward religion, I'm sure you mean the Dutch word "achterlijk" (which means as much as retarded). So you're saying that we can expect the vast minority of 'foreigners' (the OP means Turkish and Moroccan people) who have had an inevitable backlog in language, to be scientists.
Funny thing is, against all odds, they actually do accomplish something in Holland. Not all of them of course, but I see an equal amount of 'native' ass-holes screwing up their lives and an equal amount that graduates.

Everytime I hear someone like you rant, I find that I sound too politically correct and that it doesn't exactly cover what I want to say.
I ease my mind with the thought that you, fellow Dutchman knittem, have spoken absolute bullshit from the second you entered this forum. If you really wish to take this stance on our vibrant country, you should move to a most desolate place (the Limburg Mergel-grotten misschien?). Because really, Dutch people are proud of their tolerance and we don't need people like you. Pick a destination, I'll pay your ticket.

- JBlombier

PS. Your argument about the Quran counts for the bible as well, but I really don't want to emphasize that part. Just a little heads-up.

You fail to see the big picture my friend. Wherever islam is there are problems, wars, oppression, etc.

There are no wars in Indonesia, which is the world's largest Muslim state. There are no wars in Turkey or Bangladesh which are the 3rd and 4th largest Muslim states in the world.

In other words:

• - There are wars in Muslim states in the Arab world.
  - There are not wars in Muslim states outside the Arab world.

So that's not a pattern.

But this is a pattern:

• - There are wars in every state within 500km of the Israeli border.

If we want to end war, do we get rid of Islam or get rid of Israel?

What you fail to mention is the numerous incidents of terrorism around the world ( including Indonesia) in the name of islam. The extremists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and all over the western world. If you cannot see that islam breeds and encourages terrorism then you are lying to yourself.

The truth is that as we see more Muslims in European countries, we see more terrorist attacks, more rapes and more child molestation. Do we bury our heads in the sand and leave it for the next generation or do we deal with it now? Well, nothing will be done because the western world has chosen a socialist ideology which is unproven in any time in history and it's failing miserably but the people that have chose this path deny there are any problems and hide the truth wherever they can. And if you do not agree with their nazism then you will be called a racist, a bigot, a nazi ( ironic as f*ck) or any other PC name that they care to roll out when they're threatened with the truth and can't make a cohesive arguement.

[GoranZ]

I'm not sure if you're joking here or just parodying a muslim. Although this does seem to be the way islam indoctrinates its followers. If islam is such a good religion, why do a hell of a lot of muslims want to leave their islamic homelands and want to live amongst us 'pagans'?

Myself, I think islam is a thoroughly backward religion. There are very few islamic scholars, scientists, or anything to mention. The Quran seems to me to be a manmade book, for men. Written by a man with a childlike mind, it just contradicts it's self to serve the needs of the writer time and time again.

lol, with backward religion, I'm sure you mean the Dutch word "achterlijk" (which means as much as retarded). So you're saying that we can expect the vast minority of 'foreigners' (the OP means Turkish and Moroccan people) who have had an inevitable backlog in language, to be scientists.
Funny thing is, against all odds, they actually do accomplish something in Holland. Not all of them of course, but I see an equal amount of 'native' ass-holes screwing up their lives and an equal amount that graduates.

Everytime I hear someone like you rant, I find that I sound too politically correct and that it doesn't exactly cover what I want to say.
I ease my mind with the thought that you, fellow Dutchman knittem, have spoken absolute bullshit from the second you entered this forum. If you really wish to take this stance on our vibrant country, you should move to a most desolate place (the Limburg Mergel-grotten misschien?). Because really, Dutch people are proud of their tolerance and we don't need people like you. Pick a destination, I'll pay your ticket.

- JBlombier

PS. Your argument about the Quran counts for the bible as well, but I really don't want to emphasize that part. Just a little heads-up.

You fail to see the big picture my friend. Wherever islam is there are problems, wars, oppression, etc.

Another way of phrasing this is: there are wars in every state within 500km of the Israeli border.

So if we want to end war, do we get rid of Islam or get rid of Israel?

Saxy you are tricking him into a trap If Israel is not surrounded by Islamic states it wont be as strong as it is today... Being surrounded by Islamic states(which literally want it destroyed) forces Israel and Jews to make zero mistakes at everything... All Jews are literally forced to be as perfect as they can now, without Islamist on their borders they will be much more relaxed(thus more mistakes). So if you get rid of the Islam around Israel, you technically get rid of current Israel.

To be fair, even in those corners of the world there are problems with muslim radicalism. Up until a few years ago, there was still civil war in the southern part of the Philippines because of muslim separatists who wanted to live under Sharia law. In Turkey, traditionally the most western-minded muslim country there is a hard confrontation between western enlightened values and middle eastern values. This conflict is somewhat impersonated by the current president erdogan, who wants to turn Turkey more muslim, while many turks still follow Atatürk's line of thought(more westernized). Now I've got no idea what people in the americas think about it but the mere fact that Europeans, Russians, Chinese and Indians all don't like muslims does say something.

That being said, in europe the problem is Saudi arabian financing. They finance practically all the mosques in europe and they seem to import many of the Imam's. It's fine if people want to be muslim, but in europe they should hold european values. The Saudi's are heavily thwarting us, by spreading their own middle-eastern values through said methods. So yeah, the problem is that we don't build up our own european style Islam just as the chinese did with catholicism.

Islam is conflicting religion, much more then any others... And they are offended easily(like little children/babies). In reality Islam is pyramid base religion, cut off the upper nodes, you cut off the religion it self. And most important, Islamic believers are like dogs, show force and they'll back off, but they will still whine and look for opportunity to attack you behind your back.
BTW Bosnia(as part of Bosnia and Herzegovina) is the most normal Islamic state, to a level that you wont even notice a difference between its society and western one.